NY: Convicted Felon Donald Trump!

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People are over the Stormy Daniels bulls**t and have been since 2018. This is ridiculous.

Good thing the justice system doesn’t make decisions based on what people are “over” or not.

We have for decades :

Nixon
Clinton
Wall Street Bakers
People behind GITMO

Etc

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Democrats want to run against Trump . Republican voters : You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

Why is this a "witch hunt"?

Democrats are charging him over something like this so he can look like a poltical martyr to republicans as they want to run against Trump in 2024.

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Democrats want to run against Trump . Republican voters : You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

Why is this a "witch hunt"?

Democrats are charging him over something like this so he can look like a poltical martyr to republicans as they want to run against Trump in 2024.

Much as this is hard for Republicans to grasp, the Justice Department is not at the beck and call of the President, and the Attorney-General is not the President's personal lawyer.

The Manhatten  DA is an elected democrat though and he certainly wants to see the democrats run against Trump .

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People are over the Stormy Daniels bulls**t and have been since 2018. This is ridiculous.

Good thing the justice system doesn’t make decisions based on what people are “over” or not.

We have for decades :

Nixon
Clinton
Wall Street Bakers
People behind GITMO

Etc

Are you really suggesting that is a good thing?

Nixon should not have gone to jail for Watergate , Clinton should not have for perjury and nobody in the Bush admin should have .

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People are over the Stormy Daniels bulls**t and have been since 2018. This is ridiculous.

Good thing the justice system doesn’t make decisions based on what people are “over” or not.

We have for decades :

Nixon
Clinton
Wall Street Bakers
People behind GITMO

Etc

Are you really suggesting that is a good thing?

Nixon should not have gone to jail for Watergate , Clinton should not have for perjury and nobody in the Bush admin should have .

A bold stance in favor of elite impunity. Hell of a populism you've got there.

I’m not a populist . I despise the fact we are in populist era and really wish our politics went  back to the 1980-2008 consensus even though that won’t happen.

I do think the bankers should have been prosecuted but that’s the only one of the 4

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Sorry to disappoint you OSR, but presidents are not god kings who answer to nobody.

We are a nation of laws, whether you like it or not.

Should Clinton have gone to prison for perjury then . This is literally the equivalent of that and the answer is obviously Clinton should not have .

Breaking decades of precedent over this is beyond moronic

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Sorry to disappoint you OSR, but presidents are not god kings who answer to nobody.

We are a nation of laws, whether you like it or not.

Should Clinton have gone to prison for perjury then . This is literally the equivalent of that and the answer is obviously Clinton should not have .

Breaking decades of precedent over this is beyond moronic

Bold of you to assume anyone in 2023 is going to bother defending Bill Clinton.

I would

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OSR,
I think the Grand Jury did the right thing! Mister Trump needs once and for all realize that he isn't above the Law.

Well , hopefully he is charged over Jan 6th soon .

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OSR,
I think the Grand Jury did the right thing! Mister Trump needs once and for all realize that he isn't above the Law.

Well , hopefully he is charged over Jan 6th soon .

I think Garland will charge him either over January 6th or the classified Documents. What do you think?

Depends what classified documents he had , as if he had ones about our nuclear weapons then yes he’d definitely be charged over it but I think Jan 6th is the more likely one as if he had nuclear secrets then he’d already have been charged by now over it .

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Lmao what a cuck

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1641575007552778243

If the DOJ extradites him , Trump likely will still blame DeSantis 

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Lmao what a cuck

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1641575007552778243

If the DOJ extradites him , Trump likely will still blame DeSantis 

What does the DOJ have to do with this case?

The DOJ would just extradite him to NY on NY request

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I will say it’s funny that Forumlurker and I are somehow on the same side here while Courts and Ferguson are the other lol .

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Wait, so....

he is 100% getting arrested now, correct? Unless Florida won't extradite him (lol) or unless he flees the country... r8ght? Somebody please help me out here.

It doesn’t matter what Florida does as the DOJ would just extradite him then and they have jurisdiction over the entire nation .

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Democrats want to run against Trump . Republican voters : You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

Why is this a "witch hunt"?

Because beep boops mummy and daddy and many members of his family and friends of family voted for trump. And they couldn't have voted for someone who committed a crime!

First of all , neither of my parents voted for Trump and second of all how the heck couldn’t you see I was using Trump supporter language to try to convince them to not vote for Trump in the primary .

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Democrats want to run against Trump . Republican voters : You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

Why is this a "witch hunt"?

Because beep boops mummy and daddy and many members of his family and friends of family voted for trump. And they couldn't have voted for someone who committed a crime!

First of all , neither of my parents voted for Trump and second of all how the heck couldn’t you see I was using Trump supporter language to try to convince them to not vote for Trump in the primary .

I'd like to apologize for the unreasonableness from many fellow red avatars. The inability to see things from a blue avatar perspective is too common in us, taken as a whole.

Computer96 is hardly any more in tune with Republicans than the red avatars are. This is a guy who earlier this week thought George Bush would be a good surrogate for DeSantis.

If he wins the nomination, and I specifically said in Arizona and Georgia where there are many swing voters who liked Bush but hated Trump .

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Democrats want to run against Trump . Republican voters : You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

Why is this a "witch hunt"?

Because beep boops mummy and daddy and many members of his family and friends of family voted for trump. And they couldn't have voted for someone who committed a crime!

First of all , neither of my parents voted for Trump and second of all how the heck couldn’t you see I was using Trump supporter language to try to convince them to not vote for Trump in the primary .

I'd like to apologize for the unreasonableness from many fellow red avatars. The inability to see things from a blue avatar perspective is too common in us, taken as a whole.

Computer96 is hardly any more in tune with Republicans than the red avatars are. This is a guy who earlier this week thought George Bush would be a good surrogate for DeSantis.

If he wins the nomination, and I specifically said in Arizona and Georgia where there are many swing voters who liked Bush but hated Trump .

Those voters are called Democrats now. The days of R+20 Rockdale County are gone. And any popularity Bush once enjoyed here is now gone.

Well I’m talking about the people who still voted for Republicans downballot and not the ones who are straight D now . 2020 downballot results and 2022 Georgia shows their are many voters who are willing to vote Republican if it’s not Trump or someone who beat other republicans in the primary with his endorsement.

For DeSantis to win the nomination, he’d have to beat Trump so the latter does not apply

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First of all , neither of my parents voted for Trump and second of all how the heck couldn’t you see I was using Trump supporter language to try to convince them to not vote for Trump in the primary .

I'd like to apologize for the unreasonableness from many fellow red avatars. The inability to see things from a blue avatar perspective is too common in us, taken as a whole.

*Makes wanking gesture*

If you don't see the value in talking to the other side using their own talking point style to get an outcome you want, you don't have the guts to defend our political order. Sorry, not sorry.

Feeding their delusions of persecution is not building bridges with people who will come around on America when its put in terms they can understand. "You're correct that this is a massive conspiracy by your enemies" is not defusing the situation and defending our political order.

We don't want the lunatics lured back into the attic and kept in a lie-fueled rage. Republicans are sick, twisted people for putting their coalition's need for this poison above America's wellbeing.

The people whose talking style is objective lies need to confront realities - legal and numerical. If they can't accept criminals going to jail or their ideas being outnumbered, they need psychological help. If they turn to violence, they are criminals. Suggesting OSR has guts for lying to get what he wants - the same lies destroying our country - is ludicrous.

I don’t think charging candidates for campaign finance violations is a good precedent to have given how much Grey areas candidates already fall into when it comes to campaign finance . Do we want a to start a trend where pretty much every candidate starts to get indicated over this as that’s not something I want started at all .

The responsible thing to do is not charge Trump

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First of all , neither of my parents voted for Trump and second of all how the heck couldn’t you see I was using Trump supporter language to try to convince them to not vote for Trump in the primary .

I'd like to apologize for the unreasonableness from many fellow red avatars. The inability to see things from a blue avatar perspective is too common in us, taken as a whole.

*Makes wanking gesture*

If you don't see the value in talking to the other side using their own talking point style to get an outcome you want, you don't have the guts to defend our political order. Sorry, not sorry.

Feeding their delusions of persecution is not building bridges with people who will come around on America when its put in terms they can understand. "You're correct that this is a massive conspiracy by your enemies" is not defusing the situation and defending our political order.

We don't want the lunatics lured back into the attic and kept in a lie-fueled rage. Republicans are sick, twisted people for putting their coalition's need for this poison above America's wellbeing.

The people whose talking style is objective lies need to confront realities - legal and numerical. If they can't accept criminals going to jail or their ideas being outnumbered, they need psychological help. If they turn to violence, they are criminals. Suggesting OSR has guts for lying to get what he wants - the same lies destroying our country - is ludicrous.

I don’t think charging candidates for campaign finance violations is a good precedent to have given how much Grey areas candidates already fall into when it comes to campaign finance . Do we want a to start a trend where pretty much every candidate starts to get indicated over this as that’s not something I want started at all .

The responsible thing to do is not charge Trump

YES!!!

God, I can't stand it when people complain about how bad American politics is but then they get all misty-eyed whenever a politician might get held accountable. I would love it if every corrupt politician got indicted.

So you want a candidate investigated every time a PAC of theirs puts out an effective ad to see if they had any direct coordination in it . Is this the precedent we want set because that’s not one I want set.

 I also prefer the politics of America over any other nation on earth so no I don’t want us to emulate other nations .

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So you want a candidate investigated every time a PAC of theirs puts out an effective ad to see if they had any direct coordination in it . Is this the precedent we want set because that’s not one I want set.

 I also prefer the politics of America over any other nation on earth so no I don’t want us to emulate other nations .

Sorry you find anti-corruption laws an unreasonable, burdensome regulation. Our politicians are not a nobility and our politics should not be for sale.

I don't want America to emulate a country where people like you feed lies to dangerous fanatics to rally them behind a preferred candidate. Damn shame.

Look at India , where politicians get charged all the time for “Corruption charges”.  The result of that has not been good and has undermined people faith in the judicial system .

Is that the judicial system we want to emulate because I certainly do not .

Or heck look at Israel where politicians are constantly afraid of the judicial system , and arguably more so than they are afraid of the voters . That’s not the system we want to emulate

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So you want a candidate investigated every time a PAC of theirs puts out an effective ad to see if they had any direct coordination in it . Is this the precedent we want set because that’s not one I want set.

 I also prefer the politics of America over any other nation on earth so no I don’t want us to emulate other nations .

Sorry you find anti-corruption laws an unreasonable, burdensome regulation. Our politicians are not a nobility and our politics should not be for sale.

I don't want America to emulate a country where people like you feed lies to dangerous fanatics to rally them behind a preferred candidate. Damn shame.

Look at India , where politicians get charged all the time for “Corruption charges”.  The result of that has not been good and has undermined people faith in the judicial system .

Is that the judicial system we want to emulate because I certainly do not S

 

You are undermining faith in the judicial system spreading lies about it.

You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

You are lying that this is a witch hunt because you want Trumpists to support DeSantis. You are aware those lies have caused people to attack American democracy and to threaten violence against law enforcement, politicians, and civilians. You are aware and are repeating them anyway because the delusional people have something you want.

That is sick. It's evil. And it means your preferences have negative value to me.

People call investigations witch hunts all the time . Democrats attacked Comey in 2016: https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-fbi-james-comey-230491?_amp=true

Also it’s better for the nation for Trump not to get the nomination and the job of his opponents is to try to do their best to convince his voters not to vote for him .

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OSR rushing to Trump's defense after pretending to not like him? What a shock.

I support his prosecution for January 6th and will not defend him from those charges . I am so certain that I won’t that I’ll make a deal with a mod on here which is if I do then you can mute me from this board for 72 hours .

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There is literally nothing Trump could have done for OSR to not call his subsequent indictment a witch hunt.

The official position of the Republican Party, which OSR repeats like the GOP NPC he is, is that Republican presidents should be able to commit whatever crimes they want and never be prosecuted for them.

Thus Trump could literally do anything, and the Republican Party / OSR position would be "he should not be indicted for it because [litany of transparently malarkey reasons]".  It's very obvious and predictable.  There's no point in his posting it, or anyone else replying to it.  We all know how the conversation will go.

The most you'll ever get out of a Republican is a hypothetical notion that "well, if Trump were to cross some line, then I think his indictment would maybe be ok, but I'd have to see about it when that actually happens."  For instance, if Trump were to murder a bunch of orphans, then his indictment would probably be ok.  Republicans are sometimes willing to grant that concession.

However, we know that this is just a lie.  Because there have been about a dozen different instances where Republicans have pretended to draw a line in the sand, Trump has crossed that line, and then Republicans just pretended it never happened and leaned on Fox News to give them new talking points to rationalize their "position."  The most obvious being when Trump attacked the United States Capitol to try and stop the ascension of Joe Biden to the presidency.

My point is, just don't waste your breath talking to Republicans.  We all know what their position is.  We all know what they're going to say.  We all know how the conversation will go.  We've repeated this little dance over and over again over the past eight years.  They have all sacrificed their personalities to the empire of Fox News and conservative talk radio, and by hook or by crook, they will find a way to get their core beliefs in alignment with whatever the talking points of the day happen to be.  They are nothing more than NPCs at this point, stop treating them like people you can have a real conversation with.  You can try and argue about the seriousness of these charges, or the precedent this sets, or Bragg's political motivation, or whatever.  But you're basically just selecting options from a menu to get a pre-rendered response string saved in some Fox News database.  It's not a real conversation.

I was literally using the language of Trump supporters to get them not to support Trump but you guys have no ability to read it seems like .

You guys care more about some dumb buzzword I used then the content of my post which was “don’t vote for Trump”


You also know that I supported Trump impeachment for Jan 6th , support his prosecution for it so please stop lying about my views

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Given these charges and Alvin Bragg record of having being weak on far more serious offenses , I don’t know how the argument can be made that these weren’t politically motivated . The precedent this opens up is gonna ruin American politics for a while to come

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Given these charges and Alvin Bragg record of having being weak on far more serious offenses , I don’t know how the argument can be made that these weren’t politically motivated . The precedent this opens up is gonna ruin American politics for a while to come

Well, that assumes a Democratic president is accused of similar wrongdoings, which I doubt. But even if, that would still justify an investigation or more. Politicans shouldn't be above the law, no matter whether there's a (D) or an (R) next to their name. Other corrupt officeholders like Blago were impeached and thrown in jail as well. France also arrested a former president not too long ago.

I mean presidents deal with grey areas all the time which could get them in trouble. I’m just very afraid of a precedent being created where every president gets prosecuted for Grey areas or technicalities when they leave office .

Also it would be one thing is Bragg was a tough on crime DA but he isn’t .

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