Nobody in Pittsburgh wants Trump to come

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Shooter needs to be put in jail.

A hate crime involving mass murder? The shooter needs to be put down.

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The President of the United States is responsible for this shooting. By manufacturing a potemkin refugee crisis, he encouraged Breitbart and Fox News to spread slander, pinning the emergence of the caravan on George Soros and Democratic politicians. The right-wing media's coverage of the caravan suggested that it was an existential threat to the United States and it was the primary story for weeks. This, of course, was a catalyst in the minds of fascists and those adjacent to fascists.

The President was not encouraging anyone to murder Jews, of course, but he provoked such behavior with his determination to spread propaganda about the danger of caravans. We all know where anti-Semitism on the extreme right stems - it comes from the belief that Jews want to destroy the white race through mass immigration. If one whips up fear and hatred of a caravan of refugees for two weeks, what do you think the outcome is going to be?

This didn't happen once this week. It happened three times. In one case, the plot was foiled. In another case, Jews were murdered. In another case, the case was partially foiled but, sadly, two Black people were murdered in a grocery store. It's time for people to wake up to the reality of America in 2018 - we are in for a period of darkness. This is verging on non-jihadist political terrorism last seen in the developed world in the 1970s and 1980s.

edit: by bringing this up, I am not politicizing anything because this was political violence i.e. an act of terrorism. My attribution of the source of said violence is a theory but I think it deserves consideration, even from those who love the President but who have some affection for Jews. The "Soros" slander, at bare minimum, must stop. If you must blame someone, blame Democratic politicians but blaming Soros points people in the direction of a vector of anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda.

Absolutely no, just no


Is his rhetoric helpful , of course not but to blame him for this is crazy

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The President of the United States is responsible for this shooting ....

Absolutely no, just no
Is his rhetoric helpful , of course not but to blame him for this is crazy

Old School,
Do you agree with anything in my previous post (immediately above this one), that makes a connection between trump and this outrageous attack?

I don’t believe crazy supporters of anyone should be blamed on the person they are supporting.

The person who is to blame is the person who committed the crime .

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Words matter, especially coming from someone in a position of authority. Even if this shooter wasn't motivated by Trump it is still not healthy for the President of the United States to go on rants that could inflame the fringe. If Obama had taken the same sort of path and someone shot up an evangelical church or sent pipe bombs to his political detractors he would have been held to task for all of that. And remember, Trump did say on the trail twice that somebody should shoot Hillary Clinton and although that did not happen it was still a clear call for incitement that was unacceptable.

The fact that this needs to be said and some Republican partisans still find fault with it is astounding.

I would definitely agree that Trump rhetoric has not been more healthy,  has been divisive and horrible in general.(Thats the reason I will very likely not vote for Him 2020)


What I 100% thing is wrong is blaming him for the attacks as the only person who deserves the blame is the terrorist himself.

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You guys realize when you say things like "the president encourages anti-Semitic violence by opposing immigration" you're linking Jewish people and immigration? Isn't that supposed to be a conspiracy theory?

Um, Trump and his allies lied about Soros funding the caravan, and Soros is the Jewish bogeyman, and the shooter linked his killing all the Jews to Jews funding the caravan.

Making a reference to right-wings conspiracies is not the same as linking them yourself.

Confidential to J in PA - this is the relevance of Trump’s incitement to the attack.

Really no

Soros is the left wing version of the Koch Brothers

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Really no

Soros is the left wing version of the Koch Brothers

In the sense that he is vilified like that, sure. But realistically, no. Soros is not the biggest donor on the left and I think he's regularly out-gunned by big spenders like Steyer and the lesser known Donald Sussman.

Oh I thought Soros was the biggest donor on the left

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Really no

Soros is the left wing version of the Koch Brothers

In the sense that he is vilified like that, sure. But realistically, no. Soros is not the biggest donor on the left and I think he's regularly out-gunned by big spenders like Steyer and the lesser known Donald Sussman.

Oh I thought Soros was the biggest donor on the left

He’s the biggest boogeyman for the right because he put himself in direct opposition to Russian interests beginning in the 1990s.  Plus he’s Jewish.

Nope most conservatives I know intensely hate him but it has nothing to do with anti Semitic reasons.

Now are there some who do hate him for anti Semitic reasons , definitely but it’s not most of them .

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Really no

Soros is the left wing version of the Koch Brothers

In the sense that he is vilified like that, sure. But realistically, no. Soros is not the biggest donor on the left and I think he's regularly out-gunned by big spenders like Steyer and the lesser known Donald Sussman.

Oh I thought Soros was the biggest donor on the left

He’s the biggest boogeyman for the right because he put himself in direct opposition to Russian interests beginning in the 1990s.  Plus he’s Jewish.

Nope most conservatives I know intensely hate him but it has nothing to do with anti Semitic reasons.

Now are there some who do hate him for anti Semitic reasons , definitely but it’s not most of them .

Then why hate him?

If you believe rich people should be allowed to donate as much money to politicians as they want, then you have no reason to dispute his right to "free speech."

What makes Soros so special? (There are other wealthy Democratic donors who are just as active, but the GOP is conspicuously silent about them.)

Well they say he funds leftist causes which have been a disaster for India

And  they also say he profited of the Asian financial crises and committed  unethical actions during that crises .

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Really no

Soros is the left wing version of the Koch Brothers

In the sense that he is vilified like that, sure. But realistically, no. Soros is not the biggest donor on the left and I think he's regularly out-gunned by big spenders like Steyer and the lesser known Donald Sussman.

Oh I thought Soros was the biggest donor on the left

He’s the biggest boogeyman for the right because he put himself in direct opposition to Russian interests beginning in the 1990s.  Plus he’s Jewish.

Nope most conservatives I know intensely hate him but it has nothing to do with anti Semitic reasons.

Now are there some who do hate him for anti Semitic reasons , definitely but it’s not most of them .

Then why hate him?

If you believe rich people should be allowed to donate as much money to politicians as they want, then you have no reason to dispute his right to "free speech."

What makes Soros so special? (There are other wealthy Democratic donors who are just as active, but the GOP is conspicuously silent about them.)

Well they say he funds leftist causes which have been a disaster for India

And  they also say he profited of the Asian financial crises and committed  unethical actions during that crises .

Please provide some citations rather than "they say".

He asked me why they say they hate him


I don’t have that belief

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Really no

Soros is the left wing version of the Koch Brothers

In the sense that he is vilified like that, sure. But realistically, no. Soros is not the biggest donor on the left and I think he's regularly out-gunned by big spenders like Steyer and the lesser known Donald Sussman.

Oh I thought Soros was the biggest donor on the left

He’s the biggest boogeyman for the right because he put himself in direct opposition to Russian interests beginning in the 1990s.  Plus he’s Jewish.

Nope most conservatives I know intensely hate him but it has nothing to do with anti Semitic reasons.

Now are there some who do hate him for anti Semitic reasons , definitely but it’s not most of them .

Then why hate him?

If you believe rich people should be allowed to donate as much money to politicians as they want, then you have no reason to dispute his right to "free speech."

What makes Soros so special? (There are other wealthy Democratic donors who are just as active, but the GOP is conspicuously silent about them.)

Well they say he funds leftist causes which have been a disaster for India

And  they also say he profited of the Asian financial crises and committed  unethical actions during that crises .

Ah yes. Doubtless because of the GOP base's well known and thoroughly documented deep and abiding passion for the details of Indian domestic politics, combined with their complete and utter rejection of anything or anyone involved in unethical financial profits and their keen interest in Asian financial market history.

L.

O.

L.

If that is what you got out of that your a moron



What I was saying is many people who hate Soros don’t hate him for anti Semitic reasons . For most of the GOP base that is also true , they hate him because he has been portrayed by much of the media as the main democratic donor 

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For most of the GOP base that is also true , they hate him because he has been portrayed by much of the media as the main democratic donor  

And why has he been portrayed by the right-wing media as the main Democratic donor?

It’s just not right wing media


Also it’s cause he donated to left wing causes all around the world

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The Republican running to succeed Paul Ryan is also apparently okay with casual anti-semitism. And he's not even Paul Nehlen!

https://twitter.com/BryanSteilforWI/status/1057067248056180738

Wait what how is that anti-semitic, as many Republicans from the Midwest and South paint the Democratic candidate as the East Coast Elite .


I think that was the purpose

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https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1057010272836247552

^^ Hats off to this chap for professionalism and sheer humanity.

Agreed.   

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The Republican running to succeed Paul Ryan is also apparently okay with casual anti-semitism. And he's not even Paul Nehlen!

https://twitter.com/BryanSteilforWI/status/1057067248056180738

Wait what how is that anti-semitic, as many Republicans from the Midwest and South paint the Democratic candidate as the East Coast Elite .


I think that was the purpose

This is being deliberately obtuse and an example of how the Republican party is flooded with people who accommodate anti-Semitism even without directly supporting it.

1) If he wanted to say money coming from out of state, he would have left it at "out of state"
2) Just as much money comes from the West Coast as the East Coast -- specifying the money is coming from the East Coast is meant to provoke a special response. What type of demographic lives predominantly on the East coast?
3) The use of imagery in "talk with an East Coast accent" is clearly meant to be emotionally evocative and appealing. Use of imagery like this is meant to play off of stereotypes by seeding a certain image in the mind of the reader. One of the most prominent stereotypes of people on the East Coast is an urban Jewish person, and many Jewish people from the East Coast have distinct vocal patterns (e.g., Bernie Sanders)
4) Context clues. He's in Wisconsin. There are a ton of German people there and there has been a recent presence of White Nationalism. One such violent incident was a shooting of a Sikh temple outside Milwaukee in 2012. This wasn't an accidental statement made to a bunch of unwitting Latin Americans who would have no idea what it meant -- this was a statement targeted to elicit a response from the pool of voters in his race.

Cruz tried to play the east coast elite card against Trump, he just did it terribly. Bush used it agaisnt Kerry as well in 2004 . The reason is the East Coast is viewed as the most liberal part of the US and has been solidly Democratic for almost everybody's lives while California was a Conservative Republican state for most of the Boomer's political lives.

Due to that  and the fact the East Coast Elite has been used for decades I would say it was used for that context .

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It has nothing to do with Judaism or antisemitism.

You're incorrect.

Link please.   

You asserted first with no evidence.

Please note the link I provided.

Where is your's?

No point, you will decline to accept them and keep saying what you said initially.

You or anyone else can Google "east coast" + "anti-semitism" if you're interested in finding a number of links.

While there may be links the vast majority of time it is used has nothing to do with Anti-Semitism or is even perceived as that.

It is just that East Coast Establishment is viewed as  liberal and has been so for decades and decades that Republicans using that line is used for that reason. Reason California hasnt been used is because Uptil like 1996 CA was a Conservative Republican State and most Boomers grew up in an era when California was a Conservative Republican State.


George W Bush used the East Coast Elitist Line against Kerry over and Over to paint him as a weak out of touch liberal