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Lunar
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« on: April 07, 2009, 01:38:45 PM »

With gay marriage surging in many states and starting to define the Democratic establishment in Iowa and New Hampshire, is it feasible that we'll never again have a Democratic nominee that opposes gay marriage?  I say most certainly, with possibly a handful of potential exceptions like an elderly Hillary Clinton or, sigh, Mark Warner.  Even Obama, although technically opposing gay marriage, Opposed Prop 8, and was on record in 1996 advocating for gay marriage.

It doesn't seem feasible that an anti-gay marriage Democrat will ever again be able to win a competitive primary (for governor or Senate) in a state like IL, CA, NY, or MA, the type of states that produce early frontrunners for the nomination.
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Lunar
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2009, 08:45:16 PM »

We'll see.  I'm not sure if opposing gay marriage will ever again be anything but a hindrance until the South Carolina Democratic Primary.

And then we're talking about where candidates emerge from - typically frontrunners come from statewide offices in the large states where a competitive Democratic primary could easily force all Democratiac candidates to support gay marriage.  CA's AG, Brown, is grandstanding on the issue, and of course Gavin Newsom, Antonio Villaraigosa, and the rest of the Democrats beat the Prop 8 drum constantly for their higher ambitions.  In the NY Senate pick, many of the candidates like Caroline Kennedy, staked out an early position in favor of gay marriage in order to draw establishment support.  Schumer himself recently reversed his stance on gay marriage and now declares his support for it, and despite his liberal bent, he is not on the cutting edge of social issues.  In a span of what, two years, New York has gone from its governor and two senators all opposing gay marriage to all of them proudly supporting it?  Sure, smaller-state Democrats and Southern pseudo-moderates may "just" support civil  unions, we'll see.

If you remember, even Howard Dean opposed gay marriage, and six years ago people were aghast at Vermont's stance on civil unions.
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Lunar
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 10:47:51 PM »

No. Within the next 20 years or so the Republican candidate will probably be i n support of gay marriage too, or at least civil unions.

Whoah, probably not.  The GOP isn't about to stop becoming socially conservative on gay rights in 20 years.

I could easily see no future GOP presidential candidates opposing civil unions, McCain supported CU's, right?  I can't really see it being a viable position to oppose basic hospital visitation rights and whatnot for gay partners.
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2009, 11:01:05 PM »

..basically a lot of candidates' position towards abortion (overturn Roe, let states decide)
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