Would you have supported Israel's creation in 1948?

[Lunar]

No, of course not. It's too bad the British sold out so easily to terrorists.

Jews in 1948 were terrorists?  

Obviously incidents like this were justified:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struma_(ship)



On the real world, in 1948, Jews needed a haven where they could be safe from Pogroms and Holocausts.

[Lunar]

    I am opposed to the planning of "ethnic states" on principle, so no.

Um, this was a people whom suffered years of slaughter and persecution, yet no country which accepted them without severe persecution [like the United States] would accept en masse.  How could they NOT push for a separate homeland?   They were deprived of their right to safety for centuries in the countries which they resided, surely you can see that?

[Lunar]

Just to set the record straight:

1. There was no Palestinian state in 1948 (nor ever) so nothing was taken from anyone.
2. There was a lot of Jews in the area even before WWII, so they didn't get there because the state was created nor because of the Holocaust.

I always find it strange that the left in general is vehemently pro-immigration and considers it horribly racist to, say, argue that a large immigration of Mexicans into the US or of Arabs to Europe constitutes a threat to Western society, but yet, at the same time, thinks that Jews should not have been allowed to migrate into Israel during the 20s and 30s and that, even though this migration was legal and allowed by the authorities it was somehow deeply unethical.

Given what happened in 1937, 1948 and onwards it is pretty clear that another holocaust of Jews was the only realistic alternative to creating the state of Israel.

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Why can't people take things into context?  Both the leftists who think Israel should never have existed and those who believe Israel is within its rights to attack any vessel it pleases for any reason?


This isn't moderate heroism, but rather a plea for sanity.  

[Lunar]

It's pretty simple and obvious as liberals oppose nationalism. And nationalism was the only reason Jews were moving to Palestine.

That and having a place to live where you wouldn't live in fear of slaughter.  Countries like America certainly weren't offering them blanket refugee status.

[Lunar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struma_(ship)

Actually, I think this incident underscores the entire debate, and provides badly needed context.