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  Is it ever ok to call someone a "self-hating jew"? (search mode)
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« on: March 11, 2024, 06:13:54 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2024, 09:45:59 AM »


Even as a non Jewish person? To me that is sort of grotesque, like when whites call black people Uncle Toms. Who am I, as a gentile, to question the identity of an actual Jewish person? Even if they do have some kind of psychological hang up around their identity, that's between them and their therapist.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2024, 05:36:08 AM »

Yeah, sure, sometimes. I've followed enough far-right links to the Unz Review and I'm not sure how else you'd classify Israel Shamir, or for that matter Ron Unz himself.

I think the issue I have with it is that rather than arguing the substance of someone's points, you're speculating on the motivation why they claim to have that belief - it's essentially saying "obviously people in the in-group could never actually hold your beliefs legitimately, it's because you want to fit it or because you are psychologically malformed". With fisher (i know less about unz) he did seem to have some sort of mental illness that consumed him, but honestly even the word "self-hating" doesn't even seem to describe it.

The example I'm thinking of is Gerald Kaufman who clearly had a huge personal disconnect with the zionism he wanted (I'm pretty sure he always claimed he was Zionist at heart) with his extreme rejection and rhetoric against Israel. It's clearly complex, but I think we're on clearer ground talking about what exactly he said rather than speculating on the nature of his thoughts.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2024, 08:12:35 AM »

do other groups self hate and are they ever referred to that way and is it a problem when they do?  There are probably some French people out there that aren't super keen on France, are they called self-hating Frenchies?  Do they get upset when called that?


or is this yet another thing that only affects Jews?

Isn't this the logic behind Uncle Tom/coconut accusations?
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