Miss/Mrs./Ms.

[Everett]

Who the bloody hell cares? I've gotten addressed as Miss, Mrs., Ms., and Mr., so I think I've got everyone here pwned. I'm not terribly offended when someone calls me by the wrong title unless they are clearly doing it to annoy me (which has only happened a few times, namely with snobby relatives who dislike me).

Mr. Everett at your service, thank you very much!

BTW, I should add that my mother does not like being addressed as "Ms.". The best thing to address her as is probably "ma'am" if you don't know her, and her first name if you do.

[Everett]

Because keeping one's name is a gesture of equality and feminism. Marriage is a partnership between two individuals. A woman taking a man's name implies that the man is the head of the household. In same-sex marriage, neither partner takes the other one's name, therefore there is no need for straight people to do so either.

And most women who do keep their names are well-educated. The only reason these misogynistic traditions last so long is due to lack of education.

Yeah, I'm sure that you know so much about marriage that you can shamelessly preach your empty-headed feminist agenda yadda yadda yadda, as though you are absolutely certain of the primary function of marriage. You're quite the expert on marriage here, eh? Oh dear, maybe I shouldn't get married because I will *GASP* suddenly become property and have no equality whatsoever and my husband will become the head of the household!

I have nothing against women who change their surnames. I don't believe that they are doing so because they are becoming property or whatever paranoid bullsh**t the feminist movement has cooked up regarding that topic. It's not due to lack of education. My mother is a very highly educated woman, and she changed her surname after getting married. She also decided to stay at home and raise the kids. Oh, wait. Such women cannot possibly be more educated than sleazy feminist shrews who act as though they are above everything and everyone and flaunt themselves endlessly, eh? I also have nothing against women who prefer to be addressed as "Mrs" as opposed to "Ms", which in my opinion is quite a gross word. Yuck. "Miz."

Should I start calling you Ms. too? Would you be offended if I called you "Mr. ", because it would be implying that you are the head of a household or the main breadwinner or the beacon of male superiority?

[Everett]

And what does Miss vs. Mrs. have to do with oppression? They are simply titles and there is nothing offensive implied by them.

No, the implication is ownership of the female by the male.

I fail to see how the title 'Mrs.' has ANYTHING to do with ownership - it's just a title to say a woman is married.

Yes, and the male has no such title that marks him as owned(married, taken, etc.).  Therefore it is a relic of women's past as property of males.

Considering that you know nothing about marriage, opebo, you should probably shut up and stop shoving your bullsh**t in John Dibble's face. I'm quite sure that you don't have the sufficient mental capacity to understand how modern marriages operate, much less the deeper emotional bonds betwixt two people, and therefore have no authority to shove your bullsh**t around as being factual. Considering that you aren't married yourself, and you know nothing about how deeply connected two people can become (you don't even care about long-term relationships; all you care about is screwing underaged Thai whores), I can fully understand why you can't comprehend why the "Mrs" rubbish is not such a huge deal amongst more normal individuals...

And just for the record, how many married couples operate under the assumption that the female is owned by the male? I haven't encountered any personally. Maybe marriage customs are vastly different over in that hellhole over there called "Thailand", but I don't generally find a large number of sane, average couples who operate that way in the States. In fact, it's getting more common for the woman to bring home a larger paycheck than her husband anyway, and stay-at-home fathers are also getting more common. Right now, though, I would assume that most married couples aren't concerned about whether or not the woman should be "Mrs" So-and-So, and in fact constant petty griping and whining about "Mrs"/"Ms" and other liberated feminist bullsh**t can cause, not alleviate, tensions in marriage.

[Everett]

Give me proof that women are "second-class" citizens and in "slavery", opebo.

[Everett]

Give me proof that women are "second-class" citizens and in "slavery", opebo.

The slavery reference is obviously - if you will read carefully- about the past, while the second-class reference is about the present.  How many female senators are there, everett?  What percentage of the House is female?  How many women have been president?  For that matter what precentage of governors, generals, or corporate CEOs are women?  Or to be more general, what percentage of the top 1% of the socio-economic pyramid are female?

Of course that last figure will be somewhat higher due to widows.

Maybe you spend long, sleepless nights worrying about that, but I certainly don't.