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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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« on: February 19, 2019, 01:22:47 PM »

Gabbard
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2019, 01:55:42 PM »

What's authoritarian about the CFPB? Unless you support the "freedom" to grift people via student loan "forgiveness" scams.

(I deal with those a lot at my job. The CFPB has been fantastic in cracking down on them and even sometimes recovering the money scammed.)
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 12:59:29 AM »

Regular people: "Gabbard supports the US not putting boots on the ground in random conflicts and starting mindless wars that we have nothing to gain from."

Neolibs: "Gabbard is autocratic and loves dictators."

Just shut up, it's not even funny at this point.
You're citing a f[inks]ing blue avatar to support your candidate. Think about that.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 11:20:29 AM »

Regular people: "Gabbard supports the US not putting boots on the ground in random conflicts and starting mindless wars that we have nothing to gain from."

Neolibs: "Gabbard is autocratic and loves dictators."

Just shut up, it's not even funny at this point.
You're citing a f[inks]ing blue avatar to support your candidate. Think about that.

Your obsession with the color of an avatar is telling, I care more about the values and principles of a candidate and Gabbard aligns with most of mine.

Seriously, you’ve never given me one concrete policy reason for your overwhelming hate of Tulsi besides some ‘Muh Assad! Muh Modi!’ virtue signaling.

I care about the values and principles of a candidate too. And Republicans do not align with my values and principles. Therefore no candidate heavily supported by Republicans could ever do so. You know how my motto here is "all liberal, all the time"? It's obvious.

The latter bit is not virtue signalling. I hate Assad and Modi, and thus I hate any candidate friendly to them. I also hate Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Steve Bannon, Putin, saying "radical Islamic terrorism" (not because I care about it being offensive to Islam, seeing as how I believe it's a false religion, but because the term simply doesn't make any sense, period. "Radical Islamist terrorism" is a phrase that does and I wouldn't object to) and the Knights of Columbus (while I don't like Harris, she was absolutely completely right in attacking the KoC.) How can a candidate friendly to all those things align with my values?
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2019, 11:56:19 AM »

Imagine if a Democratic candidate met with Bolsonaro and the outrage to that.

That's basically what Gabbard did.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2019, 12:02:34 PM »

There are many Hindus in America who feel they need to convert to Christianity

Uh, I'm supposed to think that's a problem and work against that?

I have no affiliation with the RSS. Sometimes people on both sides, for their own purposes, try to say I somehow favor, or am part, of the BJP or take photos of me at Indian events and circulate them for their own promotional reasons. But the fact is, I’m not partial to BJP, the Congress Party, or any other particular political party in India.

Ah, so she takes a ridiculous Moderate Hero position instead of actively supporting the center-left party. Not acceptable for a member of a center-left party.

Imagine if a Brazilian-American Congressperson had met with Bolsonaro to "have closer US-Brazil relations." Would that be OK? Of f[inks]ing course not.
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BRTD
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2019, 12:10:40 PM »

Bernie is the closest to being a tankie, so him.

Tulsi’s probably more faschy than him but she’s a joke candidate so.

Trump is the most tankie candidate. He's openly defended the Soviet Union's foreign policy.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2019, 12:13:23 PM »

There are many Hindus in America who feel they need to convert to Christianity

Uh, I'm supposed to think that's a problem and work against that?

I have no affiliation with the RSS. Sometimes people on both sides, for their own purposes, try to say I somehow favor, or am part, of the BJP or take photos of me at Indian events and circulate them for their own promotional reasons. But the fact is, I’m not partial to BJP, the Congress Party, or any other particular political party in India.

Ah, so she takes a ridiculous Moderate Hero position instead of actively supporting the center-left party. Not acceptable for a member of a center-left party.

Imagine if a Brazilian-American Congressperson had met with Bolsonaro to "have closer US-Brazil relations." Would that be OK? Of f[inks]ing course not.

What a stupid idea to say someone should actively support this or that political party in the largest democracy in the world. What Tulsi said isn’t moderate hero position, lmao — it’s basic diplomacy and why she would make such a great President. I also love how you changed the goal posts from ‘she’s basically a Hindu fascist!’ to ‘she’s a moderate hero!’

No point in arguing with you, you’ve already decided what you want to believe.

She also defended Wikileaks: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-wikileaks-spurred-some-necessary-change
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BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2019, 12:14:10 PM »

Bernie is the closest to being a tankie, so him.

Tulsi’s probably more faschy than him but she’s a joke candidate so.

Trump is the most tankie candidate. He's openly defended the Soviet Union's foreign policy.

Bernie honeymooned in the Soviet Union and openly thought of defecting to the USSR but sure

That was a long time ago. Trump defended the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan a few months ago.
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BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2019, 12:22:31 PM »

Bernie is the closest to being a tankie, so him.

Tulsi’s probably more faschy than him but she’s a joke candidate so.

Trump is the most tankie candidate. He's openly defended the Soviet Union's foreign policy.

Bernie honeymooned in the Soviet Union and openly thought of defecting to the USSR but sure

That was a long time ago. Trump defended the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan a few months ago.

There’s recordings of Sanders openly praising the PRC’s actions in Tiananmen - literally a tankie.

If they existed, you'd think they'd be pretty open and released by Hillary in 2016, instead of not even showing up on Google.
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BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2019, 01:32:30 PM »

I'm not a Republican but I strongly approve of getting rid of world leaders I don't like. Obviously I don't agree with Republicans on such leaders. Would I support removing Bolsonaro, Modi, Putin and Duterte? Yes, just like I approved of the ouster of Yankovych in Ukraine.
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BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2019, 02:16:51 PM »

I'm not a Republican but I strongly approve of getting rid of world leaders I don't like. Obviously I don't agree with Republicans on such leaders. Would I support removing Bolsonaro, Modi, Putin and Duterte? Yes, just like I approved of the ouster of Yankovych in Ukraine.

Then send your own children to die in and fight those wars. Spend your own tax money to fund the million dollar missiles and trillion dollar fighter jet programs. I’d rather spend that money doing nation building at home instead of trying to overthrow democratically elected governments whether I agree with their policies or not. You’re no better than Republicans, not by a sliver, you just want to impose a different world view.

Who said I supported it via war? The US never invaded Ukraine.

I'm not a Republican but I strongly approve of getting rid of world leaders I don't like. Obviously I don't agree with Republicans on such leaders. Would I support removing Bolsonaro, Modi, Putin and Duterte? Yes, just like I approved of the ouster of Yankovych in Ukraine.

Yeah, that worked out really well for us in Iraq.

I opposed the Iraq War.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2019, 02:37:49 PM »

I'm not a Republican but I strongly approve of getting rid of world leaders I don't like. Obviously I don't agree with Republicans on such leaders. Would I support removing Bolsonaro, Modi, Putin and Duterte? Yes, just like I approved of the ouster of Yankovych in Ukraine.

Then send your own children to die in and fight those wars. Spend your own tax money to fund the million dollar missiles and trillion dollar fighter jet programs. I’d rather spend that money doing nation building at home instead of trying to overthrow democratically elected governments whether I agree with their policies or not. You’re no better than Republicans, not by a sliver, you just want to impose a different world view.

BRTD insisting he's not an imperialist. Gets me every time

I opposed the Iraq War. I oppose supporting the Saudi war in Yemen and I support ending military aid to Israel.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,435
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2019, 02:47:36 PM »

I'm not a Republican but I strongly approve of getting rid of world leaders I don't like. Obviously I don't agree with Republicans on such leaders. Would I support removing Bolsonaro, Modi, Putin and Duterte? Yes, just like I approved of the ouster of Yankovych in Ukraine.

Then send your own children to die in and fight those wars. Spend your own tax money to fund the million dollar missiles and trillion dollar fighter jet programs. I’d rather spend that money doing nation building at home instead of trying to overthrow democratically elected governments whether I agree with their policies or not. You’re no better than Republicans, not by a sliver, you just want to impose a different world view.

Yankovych wasn't removed via force. I support backing any such movements to oust terrible governments.

Your next point sounds like a Republican. "BUT OUR ALLIES AND INTERESTS" same logic leads to support for Saudi Arabia. I wouldn't invade Brazil or the Philippines (or Turkey for that matter) I would support ending all foreign aid to them, withdrawing all troops from those countries and sanctioning anyone who works for their governments.
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BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,435
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2019, 02:57:40 PM »

I'm not a Republican but I strongly approve of getting rid of world leaders I don't like. Obviously I don't agree with Republicans on such leaders. Would I support removing Bolsonaro, Modi, Putin and Duterte? Yes, just like I approved of the ouster of Yankovych in Ukraine.

Then send your own children to die in and fight those wars. Spend your own tax money to fund the million dollar missiles and trillion dollar fighter jet programs. I’d rather spend that money doing nation building at home instead of trying to overthrow democratically elected governments whether I agree with their policies or not. You’re no better than Republicans, not by a sliver, you just want to impose a different world view.

Yankovych wasn't removed via force. I support backing any such movements to oust terrible governments.

Your next point sounds like a Republican. "BUT OUR ALLIES AND INTERESTS" same logic leads to support for Saudi Arabia. I wouldn't invade Brazil or the Philippines (or Turkey for that matter) I would support ending all foreign aid to them, withdrawing all troops from those countries and sanctioning anyone who works for their governments.

You’re a parody of yourself, I don’t know what else to say, letting you talk is your own foil.

What exactly are you going to sanction them for? The results of their democratic elections? Are we going to continue those sanctions until new elections are held and you’re satisfied with the results? Should the European Union and Canada have sanctioned us for electing Donald Trump? Will all countries with ideologically opposed governments now begin to sanction each other each time democratic elections don’t go the way they want? Madness.

Not so much the results of those elections but the actions those elected governments have taken. And yes I would support Canada and the EU freezing assets and banning travel of Trump Admin officials.
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