where do you stand on these social issues?

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gay marriage? support
abortion?  support
legalized gambling? support
prostitution?  legalize
prayer in school?  for organized, oppose
school uniforms? oppose
drug legalization? support for pot. other drugs need to be looked at on a conditional basis, but a simple change in our drug laws and ending of the war on drugs is probably a better course of action.
gun control? support
affirmative action? oppose some types, support others
speed limits? support
death penalty? oppose
mandatory minimum sentencing? oppose

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gay marriage? support

abortion?  support protecting life. And this is why I am mariginally prolife...I'm not convinced life begins at conception, but once it is life, it deserves to be protected, barring mother's health, rape, incest

legalized gambling? support, participate in. I hate pocket Jacks.
prostitution? Legalize, mandate testing for disease,.

prayer in school?  oppose
school uniforms? generally oppose, unless a parent chooses to send a kid to
drug legalization? oppose
gun control? generally oppose, but some weapons (ie bazooka) can be banned
affirmative action? support for public/ government positions
speed limits? oppose
death penalty? in principle support, oppose how its been used, in general
mandatory minimum sentencing? oppose

So...am I a librul? con-serv-ative, or what? (Heathen Party?)

you're a moderate. You'd fit best as an independent, but I could you see you as sort of a Clinton type Democrat.

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prayer in school?  Support, as long as it is led by students without discrimination of those belonging to faiths other than Christianity

So it's ok to discriminate against Christianity?

That would be the politically correct position...

Except he clearly stated above that's not his position. Ouch, your statement is pointless.

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I'm pretty confident Christians have prayed in NYC schools before, so find me a case where this was prohibited or any policy or law that praying by Christians in NYC schools is banned. I have never heard of any school where praying is banned.

And that's hilarious you bring this up considering John Ford claims I have an irriational bigotry toward Muslims. So am I PC? Is Ford PC?

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Then name a leftist on the board this would apply to. We already know of two that it does not, so to back up your point you would need at least three actually, to have more leftists for which this is true than for which it does not.

Still the question remains: Is Ford PC? Why would he care about Muslims if he wasn't? It seems the righties here are more "PC" as you define it.

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Give proof. And if this was true, wouldn't I have problems identifying with the left? Yet I don't. Hmmm...

P.S. You still have no provided any proof that Christians in NYC schools are banned from praying. You also ignore that Ford is far more PC than me.

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Yawn.....I said they wouldn't make special efforts to facilitate the ability of Christians to pray in an organized fashion, as they did with muslims.  Sure they could pray silently if they wanted, but nobody would say that accomodations would have to be made to allow Christians to pray.

except we don't require any such special accomodations. I don't give a f*** about the Muslims but the two are not comparable.

I don't care whether Ford is more PC than you.  This isn't about you in any case.  My original post made no reference to you.  You're like a 2-year-old...me, me, me, me, me.  This isn't about you.

Well you still didn't provide any proof this is true of liberals in general, or answer my question that if most liberals were a bunch of Islam lovers then why I don't have any problem associating with the left.

The fact that Ford is more PC than me is relevant since you claim this is a leftist set of beliefs. In addition, so are you:

I take a fairly dim view of Islam, and have admitted to a certain level of involuntary prejudice against Muslims.

But I don't agree with your view that it's necessarily bad.

A more modern way of thinking, coupled with a more liberal interpretation of the Koran, could make Islam a perfectly acceptable religion.

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gay marriage? STRONGLY support (as a gay man myself)

wow, I never knew that. And I was going to ask you if you were coming to Deja Vu this Saturday when they have their Mid-Summer Special and waive the cover charge. Ever been to that Gay 90s Bar up in North Minneapolis near all the strip clubs though? Looks like an interesting place.

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Well, it still stands, if what you were saying was true, I'd be a little uncomfortable with the left, don't you think?

Do you also deny that you are more PC (by your definition) than me on this matter?

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Well, it still stands, if what you were saying was true, I'd be a little uncomfortable with the left, don't you think?

Do you also deny that you are more PC (by your definition) than me on this matter?

I'm not more PC, just a little more moderate.  I'd be PC if I said that islam should be treated with more consideration than Christianity.

I know of no person who believes this.

Personally I always considered myself PC just because I'm against using "gay" and "fag" as insults. How this somehow translates into loving Islam is beyond me.

Sorry that I destroy your nasty little stereotypes about leftists since I don't fit into any of them. And no one on the board does. There are loads of anti-Islam leftists, and only one anti-Islam right winger (StatesRights)

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You've done more than most to reinforce my perceptions about people on the left and their way of looking at the world.

such as?

You've also claimed that leftists hate Christianity. Not true with me.

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You've done more than most to reinforce my perceptions about people on the left and their way of looking at the world.

such as?

You've also claimed that leftists hate Christianity. Not true with me.

Do you really think I would change my view of leftists because of what you think?

Leftist philosophy in general has a strong undercurrent of hostility toward any traditionally dominant group.  That includes whites, men and Christians.  Leftists hold people in these groups to a higher standard of behavior than those who don't belong to these groups, and often assign victim status to those outside these groups, regardless of actual circumstances.

If you can't see this, then I can't help you.

so what about white male Christian leftists (such as myself)?