Was 9/11 an inside job?

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No. Even if I think he would have done it if he'd ever had the capacity to think of it, George Bush was just too much of a dumb bastard to ever mastermind something that massive.

George Bush would not have had to have personally masterminded the logistics of such an operation, anymore so than he personally ordered the particular battle tactics being used on the ground in Iraq.

That doesn't mean he's absolved of responsibility for things that went on under his authority.

Maybe it's because the aliens who hybridized humans have influence over human governments? Wouldn't David Icke agree?

I'm not sure how that addresses my post, sorry. 9/11 Liars sure have a strange way of debating.

So, why don't you provide some evidence for your hypothesis? Or do you still remember being destroyed on this topic the last time you debated it?

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I recently discovered to my horror that one of my brothers is a 9-11 truther.  I spent a lot of time talking to him about the process of preparing a controlled demolition of a building and how buildings collapse under such a process as opposed to how the twin towers collapsed.  I also spent a lot of time showing him photos and testimony of plane wreckage at the Pentagon, to refute the theory that the building had been hit by a missile.  The evidence I gave him had utterly no effect.  Trying to talk to him made me appalled that we in this country can't even agree on relatively easily accessible facts anymore.

Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. on 9/11/01.  The U.S. government had no bigger role in this specific attack than underestimating lots of cues that something like it would happen, and not keeping a close enough watch on who was in the country.  That's what the facts establish.  And that's already bad enough.  No conspiracy theories necessary or true.

I've run into the same thing debating these so called "truthers". They laughed at me when I pointed to a Popular Mechanics article which basically took every truther question and obliterated it. They basically tell me that I am "brainwashed" by the government, etc. lol Instead of debating these losers it's really just best to make fun of them really.

Libertas is clearly proving that in this thread.

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Really the biggest hole in the theories (out of the many) is where the people willing to be suicide bombers came from if they were not much more than mercenaries basically.

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Libertas' "debating" is like this. Like clockwork:

-He makes a statement, usually ridiculous but sometimes not (as noted before I agreed with him with the bit on Einzige, I also agreed with him about Sarah Palin not being a paleoconservative in another infamous example of this).
-Sometimes retorts to that and provides counter-points against it.
-He responds laughing those off without attempting to rebuke any of them and simply restates his point often throwing in an ad hominem attack as well.

It's actually more irritating if you actually agree with his side.

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Really the biggest hole in the theories (out of the many) is where the people willing to be suicide bombers came from if they were not much more than mercenaries basically.

No, there's no "hole" there. There were (and are) plenty of fanatics willing to blow themselves up for al-CIAda to recruit.

There are plenty of people willing to blow themselves up to benefit neocon corporate conspiracies or whatever?

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Really the biggest hole in the theories (out of the many) is where the people willing to be suicide bombers came from if they were not much more than mercenaries basically.

No, there's no "hole" there. There were (and are) plenty of fanatics willing to blow themselves up for al-CIAda to recruit.

There are plenty of people willing to blow themselves up to benefit neocon corporate conspiracies or whatever?

No, willing to blow themselves up for Allah (though really motivated by politics rather than religion).

Oh so you are admitting it was Muslims responsible for 9/11.

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You know the best part is Libertas is probably going to parade about how he's winning this argument and owning everyone when the poll results show pretty clearly how good he is at convincing people.

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You know the best part is Libertas is probably going to parade about how he's winning this argument and owning everyone when the poll results show pretty clearly how good he is at convincing people.

     Clearly the poll results mean that we are all just governmentalist sheeple who refuse to listen to reason.

And even you're making fun of him on this. Enough said.

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You know the best part is Libertas is probably going to parade about how he's winning this argument and owning everyone when the poll results show pretty clearly how good he is at convincing people.

     Clearly the poll results mean that we are all just governmentalist sheeple who refuse to listen to reason.

And even you're making fun of him on this. Enough said.

     It has nothing to do with ideology. I simply have never put much stock in conspiracy "theories".

Well yes, it's just that you too often tend to side with each other on anything involving extreme libertarianism. Though here it's not really that but simply raw stupidity.

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One of my favorite Libertas quotes on this is how the "Truth" movement now contains "respected" individuals like Jesse Ventura and Cynthia McKinney. The funniest bit being how "respected" is not meant ironically.

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I actually remember that being mentioned on the news we were watching in high school class the day after 9/11. Identified hijacker only made a big deal about flying the plane, not taking off or landing.

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Oh, I assumed you had at least rudimentary knowledge on the subject matter at hand. My mistake.

There was 3rd plane that crashed into Pentagon. At least according to the government conspiracy theory. There was also a 4th plane which crashed into Pennsylvania somewhere, supposed to have been headed for Capitol Hill.

I'm assuming that these attacks were also controlled demolition. Or did they actually use only planes for those attacks according to you?

Well Libby is no longer posting, but I believe the standard conspiracy theory excuse is that it was actually a cruise missile that hit the Pentagon and the plane over Pennsylvania was just shot down. Of course neither explanation makes much sense and violates tons of physical evidence and footage (usually just handwaved by saying that that all is part of the conspiracy as well, some lady who took pictures of United 93 has gotten tons of death threats from the Truther crowd.) but then again what about these theories does make sense? I would like to hear Libby explain how you shoot a cruise missile and scramble a jet to shoot down a plane without anyone finding out and more importantly WHY one would bother to do so when they've already destroyed the WTC.

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