Oregon Set to Pass Free Funding of Abortions

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This is terrible

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Right now, somewhere in the United States, ExtremeRepublican's head is literally exploding.

This is a waste of tax payer money

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This law is also a disgrace , abortion shouldn't be encouraged

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I 100% support this bill. Why place roadblocks in the way of someone getting an abortion? If they want an abortion, it's better for them, that fetus, and society that they do not keep it. The fewer unwanted children or ones that cannot be adequately provided for, the better off everyone will be. Only a tiny number of women would ever elect to have an abortion unless they felt it was necessary, so making it harder, particularly for low-income women and those underage, is helping what, exactly?

Cause the government shouldn't be funding morally questionable things(and I'm not talking legislating it just funding them )

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Both the far left and far right have lost their minds and those are the people running this country

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I 100% support this bill. Why place roadblocks in the way of someone getting an abortion? If they want an abortion, it's better for them, that fetus, and society that they do not keep it. The fewer unwanted children or ones that cannot be adequately provided for, the better off everyone will be. Only a tiny number of women would ever elect to have an abortion unless they felt it was necessary, so making it harder, particularly for low-income women and those underage, is helping what, exactly?

Cause the government shouldn't be funding morally questionable things(and I'm not talking legislating it just funding them )

There's nothing morally questionable about abortion. That's largely a weird Christian obsession.

Excellent news.

The fact that no Democratic-controlled State has done that before is a truly shameful testament to the implicitly classist, elite-driven nature of the American pro-choice movement.

Unfortunately, you're right. The pro-choice movement seems to be more preoccupied with ensuring the rights of middle and upper middle-class White women, rather than access for all women - particularly those most vulnerable, like lower, working class, and minority women. If anything, the state should directly subsidize or cover the expenses of abortion for low-income women.

Im not a christian and most of the people I know(who are also not christian) agree with me.

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I 100% support this bill. Why place roadblocks in the way of someone getting an abortion? If they want an abortion, it's better for them, that fetus, and society that they do not keep it. The fewer unwanted children or ones that cannot be adequately provided for, the better off everyone will be. Only a tiny number of women would ever elect to have an abortion unless they felt it was necessary, so making it harder, particularly for low-income women and those underage, is helping what, exactly?

Cause the government shouldn't be funding morally questionable things(and I'm not talking legislating it just funding them )

There's nothing morally questionable about abortion. That's largely a weird Christian obsession.

Excellent news.

The fact that no Democratic-controlled State has done that before is a truly shameful testament to the implicitly classist, elite-driven nature of the American pro-choice movement.

Unfortunately, you're right. The pro-choice movement seems to be more preoccupied with ensuring the rights of middle and upper middle-class White women, rather than access for all women - particularly those most vulnerable, like lower, working class, and minority women. If anything, the state should directly subsidize or cover the expenses of abortion for low-income women.

Im not a christian and most of the people I know(who are also not christian) agree with me.

Values inevitably derived from a Christian culture (unless they are from a non-Christian culture, which may have its own taboos concerning abortion, life, and reproduction).

I am a hindu

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All I can say is the left has gone just as insane has the right has , the center right and center left need to take back the country from these people .

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Hey all you guys here, remember that YOUR gender is responsible for ALL pregnancies that occur.

It's so easy for men to talk about abortion with only the females in mind. YOUR private part was included in the fun. If ALL men took precautions when they had sex with females, then there would be FAR FEWER pregnancies.

Men are just as responsible for not bringing unwanted children in the world as females are. Both parties need to take responsibility when they have sex.

I am especially tired of hearing all the moralistic men out there judging females wanting abortions and being against help for females having them. Then do your part and never have unprotected sex unless you are definitely wanting children.

There are many factors that go into a female's decision to have an abortion that men cannot fathom. Keep your moralistic judgment for your own actions.

Fine ok keep it legal to do so but DONT FUND IT

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Right now, somewhere in the United States, ExtremeRepublican's head is literally exploding.

This is a waste of tax payer money

Of all the objections you could have with this, "taxpayer money" was the first thing that came to mind? And you wonder why nobody respects you.

No it wasn't I though that is the only argument that could convince the left not to support this .


Of course I find it morally outrageous but that's not the way to convince the left

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Right now, somewhere in the United States, ExtremeRepublican's head is literally exploding.

This is a waste of tax payer money

Of all the objections you could have with this, "taxpayer money" was the first thing that came to mind? And you wonder why nobody respects you.

No it wasn't I though that is the only argument that could convince the left not to support this .


Of course I find it morally outrageous but that's not the way to convince the left

You really thought most lefties would care about tax payer dollars being wasted?

The center left posters probably do , and those are the kinda people who we need to stop this .

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All I can say is the left has gone just as insane has the right has , the center right and center left need to take back the country from these people .

Almost the rest of the Western world has the government pay for abortion as part of free general health services. Why is this only controversial here?

Lack of an historical Socialist movement and exceptional religiosity. It's hilarious to see people calling this "far-left" policy when, in a global context, this is simple center-left politics that have been commonly accepted for decades now.

Im thankful America never had a powerful socialist movement as socialist = anti freedom

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Both the far left and far right have lost their minds and those are the people running this country

So the Modi fan is now the model of centrism?

what has he done is far right


His economic policies is about as right wing  as Reagan's was  (which is center right )

His social party is center right ( he is not the trump of India , most of the accusations made about him is not true )

His foreign policy is also centrist

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Both the far left and far right have lost their minds and those are the people running this country

So the Modi fan is now the model of centrism?

what has he done is far right


His economic policies is about as right wing  as Reagan's was  (which is center right )

His social party is center right ( he is not the trump of India , most of the accusations made about him is not true )

His foreign policy is also centrist

Is the ethnic cleansing support center-right or moderate?

Except that is totally false , and a lie the far left Indian media spread about modi

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Ok--- Map #1: Oregon Ballot Initiative #8: Prohibit Abortion With Three Exceptions (1990)

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Prohibition_of_Abortion_and_Exceptions,_Measure_8_(1990)



Dark Red are counties that voted 70%+ Against
Dark Purple: 65-69% Against
Light Purple: 60-64% Against
Yellow: 55-59% Against



ok--- maybe there were a ton of Anti-Abortion folks that moved into the State in various counties between '90 and '16. One might make an argument that a growing Latino population in many counties in Oregon, especially the Mid-Valley and parts of Eastern Oregon somehow shifted the dynamics in various counties....

Is it plausible that there may have been a few shifts in the margins in various counties in Oregon since '90? Absolutely. Is it realistic to believe that these shifts have benefited to perspective that all Abortions should be banned with 3 exceptions? Absolutely Not.

Even if were to make the mental leap and somehow assume that the growing Latino voting population of Oregon would support an effective ban on Abortions, which I find not only a dubious concept in the extreme, but also stereotyping of Mexican-American and Central-American Citizens of Oregon, the trend would likely be much more heavily outweighed by immigration to Oregon from neighboring countries (Such as California)....

Ok--- Map #2: Ballot Measure #10: Parental Notification of Minor Abortions (1990)

Yes 48%- No 52%

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Notice_to_Minor%E2%80%99s_Parents_Before_an_Abortion,_Measure_10_(1990)

So, here you have Oregonians narrowly rejecting a measure that would have required parents be notified if their child chose an abortion for whatever reasons....

Dark Blue- 70% Yes (Malheur)
Violet- 60% Yes (Douglas)
Sky Blue- 55-59% Yes
Green: 50-54 % Yes
Yellow: 50-54% No
Fuscia: 55-59% No
Red: 60+% No




There was a similar measure proposed in 2006.... here is a link to the map

Yes 45%- No 55%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Ballot_Measure_43_(2006)

Now, I don't have the county level data on my fingertips, but between '90 and '06 Oregonians opinions on Abortion, even as emotional and controversial subject such as parental notification appears to have shifted significantly.

Anyways--- just wanted to pull up some maps on how Oregonians have voted historically on Abortion related legislation, and also to reinforce my perspective as to why proposed bill isn't an electoral liability from an "Abortion Rights/ Protection of Unborn Perspective".

If anything there might be some hits on the funding issue, as Old Skool mentioned in some of the 'burbs of PDX, Salem, and Eugene, but I really don't see Republicans winning any statewide election on this, let alone flipping control of the State House or Senate..... Time will tell, but there are still some Liberal/Moderate Pubs left in heavily Democratic districts that can be flipped as well if the Oregon Pubs overreact on this issue....

IMHO.

Dems lost state wide this year for sec of state because they overreached by making a small business owner who refused to bake a gay cake go bankrupt . To me this is a similar overreach as many people who who are pro choice would not support funding abortion.