Oregon Set to Pass Free Funding of Abortions

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I think this could be an ideal starting point for a compromise legislation - have it free and easy for the relatively unproblematic (both ethically and health-wise) first trimester non surgical abortions and heavily restrict later abortions.

Isn't that how Europe does it? I'd be fine with heavy restrictions anywhere after 24 weeks but YMMV (obviously those restrictions would have to have exceptions for rape/incest/threat to mother's life)

It's important more than anything else, to make sure that people can afford to take care of their children. It's not fair to ban abortion in most cases then create a terrible environment for the kids who weren't aborted, and leave them a world of poverty and misery.

[JA]

All I can say is the left has gone just as insane has the right has , the center right and center left need to take back the country from these people .

Almost the rest of the Western world has the government pay for abortion as part of free general health services. Why is this only controversial here?

Lack of an historical Socialist movement and exceptional religiosity. It's hilarious to see people calling this "far-left" policy when, in a global context, this is simple center-left politics that have been commonly accepted for decades now.

[Bojack Horseman]

Hurray!

[OSR stands with Israel]

All I can say is the left has gone just as insane has the right has , the center right and center left need to take back the country from these people .

Almost the rest of the Western world has the government pay for abortion as part of free general health services. Why is this only controversial here?

Lack of an historical Socialist movement and exceptional religiosity. It's hilarious to see people calling this "far-left" policy when, in a global context, this is simple center-left politics that have been commonly accepted for decades now.

Im thankful America never had a powerful socialist movement as socialist = anti freedom

[JA]

All I can say is the left has gone just as insane has the right has , the center right and center left need to take back the country from these people .

Almost the rest of the Western world has the government pay for abortion as part of free general health services. Why is this only controversial here?

Lack of an historical Socialist movement and exceptional religiosity. It's hilarious to see people calling this "far-left" policy when, in a global context, this is simple center-left politics that have been commonly accepted for decades now.

Im thankful America never had a powerful socialist movement as socialist = anti freedom

lmao ok

No, I won't provide a substantive response because such completely stupid statements don't deserve that.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Dems sure do love them some abortions.  It's very important to them that they be available free of charge for any reason, as opposed to chronic health conditions, where they leave coverage and co-pays up to the insurance companies.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Right now, somewhere in the United States, ExtremeRepublican's head is literally exploding.

This is the first I have seen about this awful news.  I would strongly consider avoiding all travel to the state of Oregon due to sales tax, etc. directly funding abortion (not that I had any plans to go there anyway).  If the left can boycott states, we should do so as well!

[7,052,770]

Right now, somewhere in the United States, ExtremeRepublican's head is literally exploding.

This is the first I have seen about this awful news.  I would strongly consider avoiding all travel to the state of Oregon due to sales tax, etc. directly funding abortion (not that I had any plans to go there anyway).  If the left can boycott states, we should do so as well!

You realize that if you have health insurance at all, or pay federal taxes at all, you're at least financing "medically necessary" abortions, right?

[GGover]

Right now, somewhere in the United States, ExtremeRepublican's head is literally exploding.

This is the first I have seen about this awful news.  I would strongly consider avoiding all travel to the state of Oregon due to sales tax, etc. directly funding abortion (not that I had any plans to go there anyway).  If the left can boycott states, we should do so as well!

We don't have sales taxes in Oregon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax#In_the_United_States

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[Kingpoleon]

If one is medically necessary, of course your health insurance should pay for it - just like they would any other medically necessary procedure.

But while I support people's right to choose to have an abortion, the very fact that it is a choice 99% of the time - that is, not necessary - is why it's ridiculous to mandate insurers pay for all abortions.

We might as well mandate coverage for nose jobs and breast implants.

[Badger]

I 100% support this bill. Why place roadblocks in the way of someone getting an abortion? If they want an abortion, it's better for them, that fetus, and society that they do not keep it. The fewer unwanted children or ones that cannot be adequately provided for, the better off everyone will be. Only a tiny number of women would ever elect to have an abortion unless they felt it was necessary, so making it harder, particularly for low-income women and those underage, is helping what, exactly?

Cause the government shouldn't be funding morally questionable things(and I'm not talking legislating it just funding them )

The irony here is delicious, yet so over your head.

[Badger]

Both the far left and far right have lost their minds and those are the people running this country

So the Modi fan is now the model of centrism?

[Badger]

Hey all you guys here, remember that YOUR gender is responsible for ALL pregnancies that occur.

It's so easy for men to talk about abortion with only the females in mind. YOUR private part was included in the fun. If ALL men took precautions when they had sex with females, then there would be FAR FEWER pregnancies.

Men are just as responsible for not bringing unwanted children in the world as females are. Both parties need to take responsibility when they have sex.

I am especially tired of hearing all the moralistic men out there judging females wanting abortions and being against help for females having them. Then do your part and never have unprotected sex unless you are definitely wanting children.

There are many factors that go into a female's decision to have an abortion that men cannot fathom. Keep your moralistic judgment for your own actions.

This post, notwithstanding Virginia's disagreement, is proof positive why we need many more female posters.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I think this could be an ideal starting point for a compromise legislation - have it free and easy for the relatively unproblematic (both ethically and health-wise) first trimester non surgical abortions and heavily restrict later abortions.

Exactly.

[Badger]

Right now, somewhere in the United States, ExtremeRepublican's head is literally exploding.

This is the first I have seen about this awful news.  I would strongly consider avoiding all travel to the state of Oregon due to sales tax, etc. directly funding abortion (not that I had any plans to go there anyway).  If the left can boycott states, we should do so as well!

You're too young to drive. They should worry about you boycotting their state because.....?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Both the far left and far right have lost their minds and those are the people running this country

So the Modi fan is now the model of centrism?

what has he done is far right


His economic policies is about as right wing  as Reagan's was  (which is center right )

His social party is center right ( he is not the trump of India , most of the accusations made about him is not true )

His foreign policy is also centrist

[Badger]

Both the far left and far right have lost their minds and those are the people running this country

So the Modi fan is now the model of centrism?

what has he done is far right


His economic policies is about as right wing  as Reagan's was  (which is center right )

His social party is center right ( he is not the trump of India , most of the accusations made about him is not true )

His foreign policy is also centrist

Is the ethnic cleansing support center-right or moderate?

[The_Doctor]

I'm not a fan of this law. Medically controversial procedures shouldn't be part of what's mandated to be covered. I can understand birth control and contraceptives but abortions leave me feeling uncomfortable. Health care should not include medically unnecessary abortions in my opinion.

Oregon has the right to enact it. I just don't agree with it.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Both the far left and far right have lost their minds and those are the people running this country

So the Modi fan is now the model of centrism?

what has he done is far right


His economic policies is about as right wing  as Reagan's was  (which is center right )

His social party is center right ( he is not the trump of India , most of the accusations made about him is not true )

His foreign policy is also centrist

Is the ethnic cleansing support center-right or moderate?

Except that is totally false , and a lie the far left Indian media spread about modi

[Intell]

Both the far left and far right have lost their minds and those are the people running this country

So the Modi fan is now the model of centrism?

what has he done is far right


His economic policies is about as right wing  as Reagan's was  (which is center right )

His social party is center right ( he is not the trump of India , most of the accusations made about him is not true )

His foreign policy is also centrist

Is the ethnic cleansing support center-right or moderate?

Except that is totally false , and a lie the far left Indian media spread about modi

Trump-like, beep boop is totally centrist .

[dead0man]

Hey all you guys here, remember that YOUR gender is responsible for ALL pregnancies that occur.

wait, are you sure you're using that word right?  Gender?  I thought you got to pick your gender these days.  I will admit it's all very confusing to this old man.  But I'm pretty sure a I read a story a few weeks ago about a man that was pregnant.  His gender was "man".  He was very pregnant.  So apparently it's not about gender.  Maybe it's about biology?  Does biology trump gender?

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Right now, somewhere in the United States, ExtremeRepublican's head is literally exploding.

This is the first I have seen about this awful news.  I would strongly consider avoiding all travel to the state of Oregon due to sales tax, etc. directly funding abortion (not that I had any plans to go there anyway).  If the left can boycott states, we should do so as well!

You're too young to drive. They should worry about you boycotting their state because.....?

Since when is 21 too young to drive?  You're confusing me with someone else.

[NOVA Green]

Right now, somewhere in the United States, ExtremeRepublican's head is literally exploding.

This is the first I have seen about this awful news.  I would strongly consider avoiding all travel to the state of Oregon due to sales tax, etc. directly funding abortion (not that I had any plans to go there anyway).  If the left can boycott states, we should do so as well!

We don't have sales taxes in Oregon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax#In_the_United_States

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This is an established fact, of which all Oregonian's are quite proud actually... Remember hearing about this when I was a young kid almost 40 years back.

Every time we would drive up the road to Washington State, in the counties across the border, you used to be able to get a waiver on the Washington State sales tax if you presented ID.

Oregon actually has one of the most progressive taxation systems in the US.... When I moved out to Texas some 6 years ago was initially stoked that there wasn't a personal income tax (Like Tennessee) and then ended up realizing I was paying more in taxes for less services because of their high sales tax and fees....

Anyways--- ExtremeRepublican boycotting a state because of their revenue system is absurd in the extreme (Although certainly I understand the reasons for your objections to this particular bill that will likely become law in the near future).

Heck--- if I wanted to boycott states solely because of their voting habits and government policy, I never would have moved to Texas!

Trust me--- come out here, spend some time, spend some money, and I guarantee that there are plenty of places in Oregon where you will feel right at home! Spent a few years with a friend living in an off-campus Christian Frat some 15 years back in a Liberal College City.... saw the fliers on the fridge with graphic images of the Holocaust and Factory Farm facilities that were part of the movement propaganda at the time. They were all great guys, and we agreed on tons of issues from the War in Iraq to Climate Change, and disagreed on a few (But not on LGBTQ Equality). They weren't very good poker players however, they tended to give away their tells....

My sincere apologies for derailing my own thread, but actually this is quite a refreshing discussion, that I'll go back to lurk mode, and work on a few County level maps of Oregon regarding two Anti-Abortion/ Anti-Choice measures that were voted on by the citizens of Oregon back in the late '80s/ early '90s.

Something tells me that even in rural counties in Oregon, public opinion hasn't shifted towards the Anti-Abortion/Anti-Choice/Protection of Unborn Children perspective....

[Cashew]

I 100% support this bill. Why place roadblocks in the way of someone getting an abortion? If they want an abortion, it's better for them, that fetus, and society that they do not keep it. The fewer unwanted children or ones that cannot be adequately provided for, the better off everyone will be. Only a tiny number of women would ever elect to have an abortion unless they felt it was necessary, so making it harder, particularly for low-income women and those underage, is helping what, exactly?

Cause the government shouldn't be funding morally questionable things(and I'm not talking legislating it just funding them )

There's nothing morally questionable about abortion. That's largely a weird Christian obsession.

Excellent news.

The fact that no Democratic-controlled State has done that before is a truly shameful testament to the implicitly classist, elite-driven nature of the American pro-choice movement.

Unfortunately, you're right. The pro-choice movement seems to be more preoccupied with ensuring the rights of middle and upper middle-class White women, rather than access for all women - particularly those most vulnerable, like lower, working class, and minority women. If anything, the state should directly subsidize or cover the expenses of abortion for low-income women.

Im not a christian and most of the people I know(who are also not christian) agree with me.

Values inevitably derived from a Christian culture (unless they are from a non-Christian culture, which may have its own taboos concerning abortion, life, and reproduction).

And? Instead of trying to marginalize certain values based on their origin or motive for promoting them how about discussing the ideas based on their own merit?

[NOVA Green]

Ok--- Map #1: Oregon Ballot Initiative #8: Prohibit Abortion With Three Exceptions (1990)

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Prohibition_of_Abortion_and_Exceptions,_Measure_8_(1990)



Dark Red are counties that voted 70%+ Against
Dark Purple: 65-69% Against
Light Purple: 60-64% Against
Yellow: 55-59% Against



ok--- maybe there were a ton of Anti-Abortion folks that moved into the State in various counties between '90 and '16. One might make an argument that a growing Latino population in many counties in Oregon, especially the Mid-Valley and parts of Eastern Oregon somehow shifted the dynamics in various counties....

Is it plausible that there may have been a few shifts in the margins in various counties in Oregon since '90? Absolutely. Is it realistic to believe that these shifts have benefited to perspective that all Abortions should be banned with 3 exceptions? Absolutely Not.

Even if were to make the mental leap and somehow assume that the growing Latino voting population of Oregon would support an effective ban on Abortions, which I find not only a dubious concept in the extreme, but also stereotyping of Mexican-American and Central-American Citizens of Oregon, the trend would likely be much more heavily outweighed by immigration to Oregon from neighboring countries (Such as California)....

Ok--- Map #2: Ballot Measure #10: Parental Notification of Minor Abortions (1990)

Yes 48%- No 52%

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Notice_to_Minor%E2%80%99s_Parents_Before_an_Abortion,_Measure_10_(1990)

So, here you have Oregonians narrowly rejecting a measure that would have required parents be notified if their child chose an abortion for whatever reasons....

Dark Blue- 70% Yes (Malheur)
Violet- 60% Yes (Douglas)
Sky Blue- 55-59% Yes
Green: 50-54 % Yes
Yellow: 50-54% No
Fuscia: 55-59% No
Red: 60+% No




There was a similar measure proposed in 2006.... here is a link to the map

Yes 45%- No 55%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Ballot_Measure_43_(2006)

Now, I don't have the county level data on my fingertips, but between '90 and '06 Oregonians opinions on Abortion, even as emotional and controversial subject such as parental notification appears to have shifted significantly.

Anyways--- just wanted to pull up some maps on how Oregonians have voted historically on Abortion related legislation, and also to reinforce my perspective as to why proposed bill isn't an electoral liability from an "Abortion Rights/ Protection of Unborn Perspective".

If anything there might be some hits on the funding issue, as Old Skool mentioned in some of the 'burbs of PDX, Salem, and Eugene, but I really don't see Republicans winning any statewide election on this, let alone flipping control of the State House or Senate..... Time will tell, but there are still some Liberal/Moderate Pubs left in heavily Democratic districts that can be flipped as well if the Oregon Pubs overreact on this issue....

IMHO.