List of Alternate Presidents 2.0.

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Prime Ministers of the Commonwealth of America.
1860-1865: Abraham Lincoln (Liberal-Conservative) (1)**
1865-1868: John MacDonald (Liberal-Conservative) (2)
1868-1876: Horatio Seymour (Liberal) (3)
1876-1891: John MacDonald (Conservative) (4)*
1891-1901: William McKinley (Conservative) (5)
1901-1914: Wilfrid Laurier (Liberal) (6)
1914-1921: Theodore Roosevelt Sr. (Progressive Conservative) (7)
1921-1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Progressive Conservative) (8)*
1923-1933: Herbert Hoover (Progressive Conservative) (9)
1933-1938: Norman Thomas (Social Democratic & Labor) (10)
1938-1944: Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (Progressive Conservative) (11)*
1944-1945: Louis Saint Laurent (Progressive Conservative) (12)
1945-1950: Paul Martin Sr. (Social Democratic & Labor) (13)
1950-1960: Harold Stassen (Progressive Conservative) (14)
1960-1963: John F. Kennedy (Social Democratic & Labor) (15)**
1963-1968: Lyndon Johnson (Social Democratic & Labor) (16)
1968-1968: Hubert Humphrey (Social Democratic & Labor) (17)
1968-1975: Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative) (18)
1975-1976: Leslie Lynch King (Progressive Conservative) (19)
1976-1980: Pierre Trudeau (Social Democratic & Labor) (20)
1980-1987: George Bush (Progressive Conservative) (21)
1987-1993: Howard Baker (Progressive Conservative)(22)
1993-1993: Lynn Martin (Progressive Conservative) (23)
1993-2000: Bill Clinton (Social Democratic & Labor) (24)
2000-2005: George W. Bush (Progressive Conservative) (25)
2005-2008: John McCain (Progressive Conservative) (26)
2008-2016: Hillary Clinton (Social Democratic & Labor) (27)
2016-20XX: Paul Ryan (Progressive Conservative) (28)

*Died in office.
**Assassinated.

Parties as of 2018.
Progressive Conservative (Paul Ryan):
Social Democratic & Labor (Bernie Sanders):
Libertarian (Rand Paul):
Parti Quebecois (Rheal Fortin):
American Heritage (Ted Cruz):
Green (Elizabeth May):

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The Washington Precedent.

Presidents of the United States.
1789-1793: George Washington (Independent) (1)
1793-1797: Thomas Jefferson (Republican) (2)
1797-1801: John Adams (Conservative) (3)
1801-1805: Alexander Hamilton (Conservative) (4)
1805-1809: James Madison (Republican) (5)
1809-1813: James Monroe (Republican) (6)
1813-1817: Alexander Hamilton (Conservative) (7)
1817-1821: Henry Dearborn (Republican) (8)
1821-1825: Henry Clay (Conservative) (9)
1825-1829: Andrew Jackson (Republican) (10)
1829-1833: Henry Clay (Conservative) (11)
1833-1837: John Calhoun (Republican) (12)
1837-1841: Martin Van Buren (Liberal) (13)
1841-1845: Daniel Webster (Conservative) (14)
1845-1849: Henry Clay (Conservative) (15)
1849-1853: James Polk (Republican) (16)
1853-1855: Franklin Pierce (Republican) (17)*
1855-1857: James Buchanan (Republican) (18)
1857-1861: Jefferson Davis (Republican) (19)
1861-1865: Abraham Lincoln (Conservative) (20)
1865-1869: William Seward (Conservative) (21)
1869-1873: Schuyler Colfax (Liberal) (22)
1873-1877: Hannibal Hamlin (Conservative) (23)
1877-1881: Samuel Tilden (Liberal) (24)
1881-1885: James Blaine (Conservative) (25)
1885-1889: Grover Cleveland (Liberal) (26)
1889-1893: Robert Todd Lincoln (Conservative) (27)
1893-1897: Grover Cleveland (Liberal) (28)
1897-1901: Joseph Cannon (Liberal) (29)
1901-1901: William McKinley (Conservative) (30)**
1901-1905: Theodore Roosevelt Sr. (Conservative) (31)
1905-1909: Wilfrid Laurier (Liberal) (32)
1909-1913: Oscar Underwood (Liberal) (33)
1913-1917: Theodore Roosevelt Sr. (Conservative) (34)
1917-1921: Thomas Marshall (Liberal) (35)
1921-1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative) (36)*
1923-1925: Herbert Hoover (Conservative) (37)
1925-1929: Calvin Coolidge (Conservative) (38)
1929-1933: Richard Bennett (Conservative) (39)
1933-1937: Norman Thomas (Democratic) (40)
1937-1941: Upton Sinclair (Democratic) (41)
1941-1944: Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (Conservative) (42)*
1944-1949: Arthur Vandenburg (Conservative) (43)
1949-1953: George Drew (Conservative) (44)
1953-1957: Paul Martin Sr. (Democratic) (45)
1957-1961: Douglas MacArthur (Conservative) (46)
1961-1965: John F. Kennedy (Liberal) (47)
1965-1969: Robert Stanfield (Conservative) (48)
1969-1973: Pierre Trudeau (Democratic) (49)
1973-1975: Richard Nixon (Conservative) (50)***
1975-1977: George HW Bush (Conservative) (51)
1977-1981: James Carter (Liberal) (52)
1981-1981: Pierre Trudeau (Democratic) (53)**
1981-1985: George McGovern (Democratic) (54)
1985-1989: Robert Kennedy (Liberal) (55)
1989-1993: Joseph Clark (Conservative) (56)
1993-1997: Edward Kennedy (Liberal) (57)
1997-2001: Paul Wellstone (Democratic) (58)
2001-2005: Collin Powell (Conservative) (59)
2005-2009: Joseph Biden (Liberal) (60)
2009-2011: Jack Layton (Democratic) (61)*
2011-2013: Bernie Sanders (Democratic) (62)
2013-2017: Stephen Harper (Conservative) (63)
2017-2019: Hillary Rodham (Liberal) (64)***
2019-2021: Tim Kaine (Liberal) (65)
2021-20XX: Justin Trudeau (Democratic) (66)

Parties
Conservative:
Liberal:
Democratic:
Libertarian:
Constitution:
Grassroots:

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>Presidents George McGovern, Paul Wellstone, and Jack Layton

I'll nut to that.

Basically, American Presidents are term limited to one term, with the US annexing Canada either in the War of 1812 or later. The party system is basically the same as Canada's as well.

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Ittl we have six-year terms from 1964, and a French-y two-round system.

Presidents of the United States

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Old Democratic Party–New York) 1933-1947^Died

• 1944: Franklin Roosevelt (ODP) defeats Thomas E. Dewey (Republican)

33. Henry A. Wallace (Old Democratic Party, then Freedom Democratic Party–Iowa) 1947-1953

• 1948: Henry Wallace (FDP)^[1] defeats Thomas E. Dewey (R), James F. Byrnes (ODP)^[1]

34. Earl Warren (Republican Party-California) 1953-1971

• 1952: Earl Warren (R) defeats Henry Wallace (FDP), Richard Russell (ODP)
• 1956: Earl Warren (R) defeats Lyndon B. Johnson (ODP), Claude Pepper (FDP)
• 1960: Earl Warren (R) defeats Lyndon B. Johnson (ODP), Hubert Humphrey (FDP)
• 1964:^[2] Earl Warren (R) defeats George Wallace (ODP), Eugene McCarthy (FDP)

35. Nelson Rockefeller (Republican Party–New York) 1971-1977

• 1970: Nelson Rockefeller (R) defeats George McGovern (FDP), Wilbur Mills (ODP)

36. Jimmy Carter (New Democratic Party–Georgia) 1977-1983

• 1976: Jimmy Carter (NDP)^[3] defeats Gerald R. Ford (R), George McGovern (Workers Party)^[3]

37. George H. W. Bush (Republican Party–Texas) 1983-1995

• 1982: George H. W. Bush (R) defeats Jimmy Carter (NDP), Ted Kennedy (Independent), Jesse Jackson (W)
• 1988: George H. W. Bush (R) defeats Michael Dukakis (NDP), Jesse Jackson (W)

38. Bill Clinton (New Democratic Party–Arkansas) 1995-2007

• 1994: Bill Clinton (NDP) defeats Bob Dole (R), Pat Buchanan (America First!)^[4], Ross Perot (Independent)
• 2000: Bill Clinton (NDP) defeats Donald Trump (Independent), John McCain (R), Ralph Nader (W)

39. John S. McCain (Republicans, then Independent) 2007-2013

• 2006: John McCain (R) defeats Al Gore (NDP), Arnold Schwarzenegger (Independent), Newt Gingrich (America First!)

40. Barack Obama (Organizing for Action, then Hope Party) 2013-present

• 2012: Barack Obama (OFA)^[5] defeats Mitch Daniels (R), Russ Feingold (WFP), Hillary Clinton (NDP), Mike Huckabee (America First!)
• 2018: Barack Obama (H)^[6] defeats Donald Trump (America First!), John Kasich (Independent), Ted Cruz (R)

1. Democratic Party splits between factions loyal to Pres. Henry Wallace and Sen. James F. Byrns

2. In 1962 the Constitution was amended to give the President a six-year term and to elect the President via a two-round popular vote runoff.

3. Jimmy Carter reunites the two factions of the Democrats into the New Democrats. Some dissatisfied left-wing activists begin the Workers Party.

4. Conservative activist Pat Buchanan splits from the Republicans and founds the nationalist America First! movement

5. This is basically just En Marche! ok

6. OFA merges with other left-wing parties, notably the New Democrats and the Working Families Party, to found the Hope Party. Meanwhile, the Republican Party fractures.

This should be a timeline.

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Henry Clay was from Kentucky. West Virginia did not exist until 1862.

I feel like there are some other hints in this list that should tell you this is not the same timeline as in real life. I decided to call the place Henry Clay is from "West Virginia" to give the list a little world-building.

This list is totally unrealistic anyway. Henry Clay was never President! How can he be on a list of alternate Presidents if he was never President? I am very confused and angry!

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Every single one these lists that contains a president born after the point of divergence is WRONG.

Here's an example from the most recent post, Truman as Teddy. Tim Ryan, as Harris Wofford's last VP, ascends to the office in 2019. There's only one problem: Tim Ryan, born in our timeline in 1973...does not exist in this different timeline. The probability of the parents of Tim Ryan going through the exact same series of events in their lives since the POD in the latter 1940s leading up to his conception, then the same sperm reaching the same egg, then the same pregnancy and birth, then the same childhood events, same opportunities acquired to become a politician..the probability is infinitesimal.   

Ever since I realized this truth this thread has become among the worst on atlas for me. If Harry Truman's presidency is different in even one tenth the magnitude required for him to pick a different vice president then the resulting cascade of different choices derived from different conditions and events makes it is more likely for the US to become an insane Catholic Communist theocratic regime then it is for Barack Obama or Tim Ryan to Ever. Be. BORN. Much less become aspiring politicians, politicians, then president.

Dude nothing is fun about random colored names on a list. If they’re not real or at least inspired by a real person, how would anyone understand it?

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PRIME MINISTERS of the UNITED STATES
Phyllis Schlafy (Conservative, St. Louis) 1981–1990
George Herbert Walker Bush (Conservative, Houston) 1990–1997
Birch Evans Bayh (Labor, Evansville) 1997 – 2007
Albert Arnold Gore (Labor, Nashville) 2007 – 2009
Willard Mitt Romney (Conservative, Oakland) 2009 – 2016
Janice Kay Brewer (Conservative, Maricopa) 2016 – 2019
Donald John Trump (Conservative, Statten Island) 2019 – Present

Schlafly doesn't seem quite right as an analogue for Thatcher IMO, though I'm not sure there's a more fitting alternative.

This is awesome!

I've thought about this too. I've considered using Flora MacDonald in previous lists because my parliamentary stuff always incorporates Canada too. She was a Red Tory, but she had a populist bent to her. Susan Collins to me seems like a perfect analogue for Theresa May. Trump is a natural Boris, and Bush a natural Major. Evan Bayh is a really good choice for Blair, I usually go with Clinton or Chretien. Bayh's way better though. What about Chris Dodd for Brown?

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Prime Ministers of the Commonwealth of America.
1860-1865: Abraham Lincoln (Liberal-Conservative) (1)**
1865-1868: John MacDonald (Liberal-Conservative) (2)
1868-1876: Horatio Seymour (Liberal) (3)
1876-1891: John MacDonald (Conservative) (4)*
1891-1892: James Blaine (Conservative) (5)
1892-1900: Grover Cleveland (Liberal) (6)
1900-1901: William McKinley (Conservative) (7)**
1901-1910: Joseph Cannon (Conservative) (8)
1910-1914: Thomas Marshall (Liberal) (9)
1914-1921: Theodore Roosevelt Sr. (Progressive Conservative) (10)
1921-1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Progressive Conservative) (11)
1923-1930: Calvin Coolidge (Progressive Conservative) (12)
1930-1933: Richard Bennett (Progressive Conservative) (13)
1933-1938: Upton Sinclair (End Poverty in the Commonwealth) (14)
1938-1944: Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (Progressive Conservative) (15)*
1944-1945: Louis Saint Laurent (Progressive Conservative) (16)
1945-1950: Paul Martin Sr. (Liberal - Democratic coalition) (17)
1950-1957: George Drew (Progressive Conservative) (18)*
1957-1962: Harold Stassen (Progressive Conservative) (19)
1962-1968: Hubert Humphrey (Liberal) (20)
1968-1976: Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative) (21)
1976-1980: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal - Democratic coalition) (22)
1980-1987: George Bush (Progressive Conservative) (23)
1987-1993: Brian Mulroney (Progressive Conservative) (24)
1993-1993: Lynn Martin (Progressive Conservative) (25)
1993-2003: Jean Chretien (Liberal) (26)
2003-2008: Paul Martin Jr. (Liberal) (27)
2008-2010: Hillary Rodham (Liberal) (28)
2010-2015: Willard Romney (Conservative) (29)
2015-2020: Justin Trudeau (Liberal) (30)

Parties as of 2020.
Conservative (Paul Ryan): Economic liberalism, federalism, center-right.
Liberal (Justin Trudeau): Social liberalism, progressivism, centrism.
Democratic (Bernie Sanders): Social democracy, trade unionism, left populism.
Bloc Quebecois (Rheal Fortin): Quebec seperatism, regionalism, center-left.
Grassroots (Elizabeth May): Eco-socialism, community politics, center-left.
People's (Maxine Bernier): Social conservatism, nationalism, right populism.

Thinking of relaunching the collaborative parliamentary America with a new map and PM's list.

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No Althea Garrison

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Prime Ministers of the Commonwealth of America.
1785-1790: Benjamin Franklin (Crossbencher) (1)*
1790-1795: Joseph Galloway (Tory) (2)
1795-1805: Thomas Jefferson (Whig) (3)
1805-1815: James Madison (Whig) (4)
1815-1820: James Monroe (Whig) (5)
1820-1823: Alexander Hamilton (Tory) (6)*
1823-1824: Henry Clay (Tory) (7)
1824-1832: John Calhoun (Whig) (8)
1832-1840: Henry Clay (Tory) (9)
1840-1842: John Tyler (Whig) (10)
1842-1844: Henry Clay (Tory) (11)
1844-1848: James Polk (Whig) (12)
1848-1851: Henry Clay (Tory) (13)*
1851-1852: Daniel Webster (Tory) (14)
1852-1855: Franklin Pierce (Whig)  (15)*
1855-1860: James Buchanan (Whig) (16)
1860-1865: Abraham Lincoln (Conservative) (17)**
1865-1868: John MacDonald (Conservative) (18)
1868-1876: Horatio Seymour (Liberal) (19)
1876-1880: Edward Blake (Liberal - Populist coalition) (20)
1880-1891: John MacDonald (Conservative)  (21)
1891-1892: James Blaine (Conservative) (22)
1892-1900: Grover Cleveland (Liberal) (23)
1900-1901: William McKinley (Conservative) (24)*
1901-1910: Joseph Cannon (Conservative) (25)
1910-1914: Thomas Marshall (Liberal) (26)
1914-1921: Theodore Roosevelt Sr. (Progressive Conservative) (27)*
1921-1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Progressive Conservative) (28)*
1923-1930: Herbert Hoover (Progressive Conservative) (29)
1930-1933: Richard Bennett (Progressive Conservative) (30)
1933-1938: Upton Sinclair (End Poverty in the Commonwealth) (31)
1938-1944: Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (Progressive Conservative) (32)*
1944-1945: Herbert Hoover (Progressive Conservative) (33)
1945-1950: Harry S. Truman (Liberal - Democratic coalition) (34)
1950-1957: George Drew (Progressive Conservative) (35)*
1957-1962: Richard Nixon (Progressive Conservative) (36)
1962-1968: Lyndon Johnson (Liberal) (37)
1968-1976: Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative) (38)
1976-1980: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal - Democratic coalition) (39)
1980-1981: Flora MacDonald (Progressive Conservative - Social Credit coalition) (40)
1981-1985: Walter Mondale (Liberal) (41)
1985-1993: Brian Mulroney (Progressive Conservative) (42)
1993-1993: Lynn Martin (Progressive Conservative) (43)
1993-2000: Jean Chretien (Liberal) (44)
2000-2005: Stephen Harper (Conservative) (45)
2005-2008: John McCain (Conservative) (46)
2008-2010: Hillary Clinton (Liberal - Democratic coalition) (47)
2010-2015: Willard Romney (Conservative) (48)
2015-2020: Justin Trudeau (Liberal) (49)

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For a timeline I'm considering after I finish the FLaG spinoff I'm writing.

General Secretaries of the Socialist Labor Party of the Commonwealth of Britain.
1919-1945: James Maxton*
1945-1953: Clement Atlee
1953-1963: Hugh Gaitskell*
1963-1989: James Callaghan
1989-1991: Shirley Williams

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Here's a sketch of a potential timeline in the works. What do you think?


President of the United States.
1993-1997: William Clinton (D-AR) (42)
1997-2001: Robert Dole (R-KS) (43)
2001-2005: Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) (44)
2005-2009: John Kennedy Jr. (D-NY) (45)
2009-2017: John McCain (R-AZ) (46)
2017-2021: Robert Kennedy Jr. (D-NY) (47)