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« Reply #750 on: May 10, 2019, 09:36:33 PM »

Haig as Ike

41. Alexander Haig/John McCain 1989-1997
42. John Kerry/Wendell Ford 1997-1999
43. Wendell Ford/vacant 1999, Chris Dodd 1999-2005
44. John McCain/John Rowland 2005-2009, vacant 2009, Eric Cantor 2009-2010
45. Eric Cantor/vacant 2010, Mitt Romney 2010-2013
46. Martin O'Malley/Kirsten Gillibrand 2013-2017
47. Rand Paul/Scott Brown 2017-2025
48. Scott Brown/Marco Rubio 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1988: Ted Kennedy/David Boren
1992: Ted Kennedy/Max Baucus
1996: John McCain/George W. Bush
2000: Dan Quayle/Jack Kemp
2004: Chris Dodd/Carl Levin
2008: Russ Feingold/John Edwards/Leon Panetta
2012: Eric Cantor/Jim DeMint
2016: Martin O'Malley/Kirsten Gillibrand
2020: Kirsten Gillibrand/Tulsi Gabbard
2024: Kamala Harris/Bob Casey
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« Reply #751 on: May 14, 2019, 10:21:32 AM »

Welcome to Hell
45. Donald Trump / Mike Pence (2017-2021)
def. Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine
46. Joe Biden / Kamala Harris (2021-2025)
def. Donald Trump / Mike Pence
47. Tom Cotton / Dan Bishop (2025-2027)
def. Kamala Harris / Roy Cooper
48. Dan Bishop / Brett Kavanaugh (2027-2037)
2028 def. Jeff Jackson / Katie Hill
2032 def. John Fetterman / Rachel Hunt*

*Replacing Danica Roem, who withdrew after being hospitalized due to an attack from a Bishop supporter

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« Reply #752 on: May 14, 2019, 10:57:40 PM »

Kennedy as Wilson
John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson 1961-1969
Richard M. Nixon/Edward Brooke 1969-1971
Edward Brooke/none 1971-1973; Charles H. Percy 1973-1977
Ronald Reagan/Bob Dole 1977-1981

Ted Kennedy/Lloyd Bentsen 1981-1989; Paul Simon 1989-1993; Dick Gephardt 1993
Dick Gephardt/none 1993-1997; Tom Daschle 1997-2001

Colin Powell/Mitch McConnell 2001-2009
Barack Obama/Mark Pryor 2009-2011
Mark Pryor/none 2011-2013; Al Franken 2013-2017

Mitch McConnell/Richard Burr 2017-present

Losing Tickets:
1960: Nelson Rockefeller/Hiram Fong, Richard Nixon/Robert Taft, Jr.
1964: Charles Evans Whittaker/Richard M. Nixon
1968: Pat Brown/Ted Kennedy
1972: Robert Byrd/Quentin Burdick
1976: Hugh Carey/Jimmy Carter
1980: Ronald Reagan/Bob Dole
1984: Bob Dole/Charles Krauthammer
1988: George H. W. Bush/George Deukmejian
1992: Al D'Amato/George Voinovich
1996: Al D'Amato/George Deukmejian
2000: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
2004: Bill Clinton/Mark Pryor
2008: Mitch McConnell/Susan Collins
2012: Donald Trump/Mitt Romney
2016: Al Franken/Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump/David Duke
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« Reply #753 on: May 14, 2019, 11:40:42 PM »

2017-2021: Donald Trump / Mike Pence
Def. 2016: Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine
2021-2025: Joe Biden / Kamala Harris
Def. 2020: Donald Trump / Mike Pence
2025-2033: Ron DeSantis / Nikki Haley
Def. 2024: Kamala Harris / Beto O’Rourke
Def. 2028: Kyrsten Sinema / Max Rose
2033-present: Danica Roem / Randall Woodfin
Def. 2032: Dan Bishop / John James
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« Reply #754 on: May 16, 2019, 05:42:21 PM »

Dewey as Hayes

33. Harry S. Truman/vacant 1945-1949
34. Thomas E. Dewey/Charles A. Halleck 1949-1953
35. Walter Judd/Douglas MacArthur 1953
36. Douglas MacArthur/vacant 1953-1957
37. Adlai Stevenson/Charles Edison 1957, vacant 1957-1961
38. William Knowland/Gerald R. Ford 1961-1965
39. Adlai Stevenson/John F. Kennedy 1965-1969
40. Nelson Rockefeller/Robert Finch 1969-1971, vacant 1971-1973, George H.W. Bush 1973
41. George H.W. Bush/vacant 1973-1977, Paul Laxalt 1977-1981
42. Donald Rumsfeld/Guy Vander Jagt 1981-1984, vacant 1984-1985
43. Michael Dukakis/Reubin Askew 1985-1993
44. H. John Heinz III/Carroll Campbell 1993-1995
45. Carroll Campbell/vacant 1995-1997, Dick Thornburgh 1997-2001
46. James Baker/Alan Simpson 2001-2005
47. John F. Kennedy Jr./Steny Hoyer 2005-2013, Barack Obama 2013-2017, Sherrod Brown 2017
48. Sherrod Brown/vacant 2017-2021, Chuck Schumer 2021-2025
49. Stanley McChrystal/Josh Hawley 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1948: Paul McNutt/Charles Edison
1952: Dwight D. Eisenhower/Estes Kefauver
1956: Christian Herter/Everett Dirksen
1960: Adlai Stevenson/Stuart Symington
1964: William Knowland/Robert B. Anderson
1968: Eugene McCarthy/Joseph Alioto
1972: Eugene McCarthy/John F. Kennedy
1976: Cyrus Vance/Henry Jackson
1980: Eugene McCarthy/Peter Rodino
1984: Donald Rumsfeld/Lee Iacocca, George H.W. Bush/Thomas Kean
1988: Lamar Alexander/Paul Laxalt
1992: Robert P. Casey/John Kerry
1996: Bill Richardson/Walter Mondale
2000: Mario Cuomo/Tom Daschle
2004: James Baker/Alan Simpson
2008: Rick Perry/Michael Bloomberg
2012: Carly Fiorina/John Thune
2016: Scott Walker/Charlie Baker
2020: Scott Walker/Brian Sandoval
2024: Caroline Kennedy/Jon Tester
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« Reply #755 on: May 17, 2019, 10:59:35 PM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
11. James Knox Polk (Democratic, Tennessee) 1845 – 1849
12. Zachary Taylor (Whig, Louisiana) 1849 – 1850 †
13. Millard Fillmore (Whig, New York) 1850 – 1853

14. Franklin Pierce (Democratic, New Hampshire) 1853 – 1857
15. Millard Fillmore (American, New York) 1857 – 1861
16. Stephen Arnold Douglas (Democratic, Illinois) 1861 – 1861 †
17. John Cabell Breckinridge (Democratic, Kentucky) 1861 – 1863


     PRESIDENTS of the UTICA CONGRESS
     Acting. Solomon Foot (Republican, Vermont)  1863 – 1863
     Acting. Simon Cameron (Republican, Pennsylvania) 1863 – 1865


          PRESIDENTS of the ‘‘NATIONAL’’ GOVERNMENT
          17. John Cabell Breckinridge (Democratic, Kentucky) 1863 – 1865

     PRESIDENTS of the PHILADELPHIA (UNION) GOVERNMENT
     18. Henry Smith Lane (National Union, Indiana) 1865 – 1868

          PRESIDENTS of the RICHMOND (CONFEDERATE) GOVERNMENT
          18. Jefferson Finis Davis (Democratic, Mississippi) 1865 – 1867 *

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
18. Henry Smith Lane (National Union, Indiana) 1868 – 1870 †
19. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain (National Union, Maine) 1870 – 1877
20. Ulysses S. Grant (National Union, Ohio) 1877 – 1881
21. James Gillespie Blaine (National Union, Maine) 1881 – 1893

22. Stephen Grover Cleveland (Liberal, New York) 1893 – 1901
23. Thomas Bracket Reed (National Union, Maine) 1901 – 1902 †
24. Charles Warren Fairbanks (National Union, Indiana) 1902 – 1905
25. Henry Cabot Lodge (National Union, Massachusetts) 1905 – 1921

26. Emil Seidel (Labor, Wisconsin) 1921 – 1925
27. Warren Gamaliel Harding (National Union, Ohio) 1925 – 1930 †
28. Charles Curtis (National Union, Kansas) 1930 – 1937

29. Upton Sinclair (Labor, California) 1937 – 1949
30. William Orville Douglas (Labor, Minnesota) 1949 – 1953

31. Dwight David Eisenhower (National Union, Kansas) 1953 – 1957
32. Cyrus Rowlett Smith (National Union, Texas) 1957 – 1961

33. Hubert Horatio Humphrey (Labor, Minnesota) 1961 – 1969
34. George Sidney McGovern (Labor, South Dakota) 1969 – 1973

35. Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (National Union, New York) 1973 – 1979 †
36. John Bowden Connally (National Union, Texas) 1979 – 1981

37. Maurice Robert Gravel (Labor, Alaska) 1981 – 1985
38. George Herbert Walker Bush (National Union, Connecticut) 1985 – 1989
39. Mario Matthew Cuomo (Labor, New York) 1989 – 1997
40. Paul David Wellstone (Labor, Minnesota) 1997 – 2005

41. Richard Bruce Cheney (National Union, Wyoming) 2005 – 2013
42. Barrack Hussein Obama (Labor, Hawaii) 2013 – present

† Died of natural causes          * Arrested
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« Reply #756 on: May 17, 2019, 11:18:45 PM »

The Rise of the NeoCons

2016 - Donald Trump/Mike Pence (R) defeat Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (D)

2020 - Donald Trump/Mike Pence (R) defeat Joe Biden/Kamala Harris (D)

2024 - Ron DeSantis/Nikki Haley (R) defeat Cory Booker/Elizabeth Warren (D)

2028 - Ron DeSantis/Nikki Haley (R) defeat Hakeem Jeffries/Gretchen Whitmer (D)

2032 - Charlie Kirk/Antonia Okafor (R) defeat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Ilhan Omar (D)

2036 - Charlie Kirk/Antonia Okafor (R) defeat Rashida Tlaib/Paula Jean Swearengin (D)

2040 - Diante Johnson/Hunter Avallone (R) defeat Alexandria Ocasio Cortez/Ilhan Omar (D)
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« Reply #757 on: May 18, 2019, 07:15:23 PM »
« Edited: May 18, 2019, 08:11:47 PM by Comstock V: Roman Holiday »

AI-generated (GPT-2) list after given a prompt. Weird stuff.

1. John Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1776-1780
2. Patrick Henry (Democratic - Virginia) 1780-1781
3. George Washington (Patriot - Virginia) 1781-1799
4. John Quincy Adams (Republican - Massachusetts) 1799-1800
5. James Madison (Democratic - Wisconsin) 1792-1800
6. John Jay (Republican - Massachusetts) 1792-1804
7. Alexander Hamilton (Republican - Massachusetts) 1804-1809
8. Zachary Taylor (Democratic - Michigan) 1809-1813
9. Thomas Jefferson (Republican - Virginia) 1813-1817
10. James Madison (Democratic - Wisconsin) 1817-1821
11. James Monroe (Republican - Virginia) 1821-1828
12.  Zachary Taylor (Democratic - Michigan) 1828-1832
13. Andrew Johnson (Republican - Ohio) 1832-1839
14. John Quincy Adams (Republican - Massachusetts) 1839-1844
15. James Monroe (Republican - Virginia) 1844-1851
16. William H. Seward (Republican - Washington) 1851-1862
17. William Henry Harrison (Republican - North Texas ) 1862-1865
18. James Buchanan Lincoln (Republican - Nebraska) 1865

19. Thomas G. White (Democratic - Iowa) 1865-1866
20. James B. Laird (Democratic - Oklahoma) 1866-1868

21. James G. Polk (Republican - Florida) 1868-1872
22. Abraham Lincoln (Republican - Illinois) 1872-1875
23. James A. Garfield (Republican - Georgia) 1875-1876
24. James A. Polk (Republican - Florida) 1876-1878
25. Andrew Jackson (Republican - Mississippi) 1878-1882
26. James A. Garfield (Republican - Missouri) 1882-1886
27. Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican - North Dakota) 1886-1894
28. William Wallace (Republican - Texas) 1894-1905
29. Woodrow Wilson (Republican - New York) 1905
30. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican - South Carolina) 1905-1907
31. Harry Wilson (Republican - Virginia) 1907-1910
32. James Monroe III (Republican - Florida) 1910-1923
33. Andrew Jackson III(Republican - Mississippi) 1923
34. Abraham Lincoln II (Republican - Illinois) 1923
35. William Howard Taft (Republican - Illinois) 1923
36. Andrew Johnson II (Republican - Texas) 1923
37. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican - Illinois) 1923
38. Sam Rayburn (Republican - Illinois) 1923-1929
39. William McKinley (Republican - Illinois) 1929-1933
40. Robert E. Lee (Republican - North Carolina) 1933-1935
41. John F. Kennedy (Republican - Massachusetts) 1935-1936
42. Woodrow Wilson (Republican - Washington) 1937-1939

43. William Jennings Bryan (Democratic - Ohio) 1938-1939
44. James Garfield (Republican - Tennessee) 1939-1940
45. Lyndon Johnson (Democratic - Texas) 1940-1945
46. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican - Illinois) 1945-1946
47. Jimmy Carter (Republican - Georgia) 1946-1947
48. Lyndon Johnson (Republican - Tennessee) 1947-1948

49. Richard Nixon (Democratic - Illinois) 1948-1949
50. George W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 1949-1950
51. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Republican - New York) 1950-1951
52. Ronald Reagan (Republican - California) 1951-1952
53. George H.W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 1952-1953

54. Bill Clinton (Democratic - Arkansas) 1953-1954
55. George W. Bush (Republican - Florida) 1954-1955
56. Ronald Reagan (Republican - Virginia) 1955-1956
57. George H.W. Bush (Republican - California) 1956-1957

58. Jimmy Carter (Democratic - Arkansas) 1957-1958
59. George W. Bush (Republican - Oklahoma) 1958-1959
60. John F. Kennedy (Republican - Massachusetts) 1959-1960
61. Ronald Reagan (Republican - California) 1960-1961

62. Gerald Ford (Democratic - Michigan) 1961-1964
63. Nelson Rockefeller (Democratic - New York) 1964-1965

64. John Kennedy (Republican - Massachusetts) 1965-1966
65. Jimmy Carter (Republican - Georgia) 1966-1967
66. Ronald Reagan (Republican - California) 1967-1969
67. Gerald Ford (Republican - Michigan) 1969-1970
68. Dwight Eisenhower (Republican - Illinois) 1970-1971
69. Jimmy Carter (Republican - Georgia) 1971-1972
70. John F. Kennedy (Republican - Massachusetts) 1972-1973
71. Paul Revere (Republican - Massachusetts) 1973-1974
72. Richard Nixon (Republican - Pennsylvania) 1974-1975
73. Gerald Ford (Republican - Michigan) 1975-1976

74. John Kerry (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1976-1977
75. Jimmy Carter (Republican - Georgia) 1977-1978
76. Richard Nixon (Republican - Pennsylvania) 1978-1979
77. Ronald Reagan (Republican - California) 1979-1980
78. George W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 1980-1981
79. George H.W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 1981-1982

80. Bill Clinton (Democratic - Arkansas) 1982-1983
81. George W. Bush (Republican - Arkansas) 1983-1984
82. Al Gore (Democratic - Florida) 1984-1985
83. Bill Clinton (Democratic - Arkansas) 1985-1986

84. George W. Bush (Republican - Arkansas) 1986-1987
85. Bill Clinton (Democratic - Arkansas) 1987-1988
86. George H.W. Bush (Republican - Florida) 1988-1989
87. George W. Bush (Republican - Florida) 1989
88. George H.W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 1989-1990

89. Richard M. Nixon (Democratic - Virginia) 1990-1991
90. George H.W. Bush (Republican - Florida) 1991-1992
91. Richard M. Nixon (Democratic - Ohio) 1992-1993
92. George W. Bush (Bush - Florida) 1993-1994
93. Barack Obama (Obama - Illinois) 1995-1996
94. Jimmy Carter (Democratic - Virginia) 1996-1997
95. Barack Obama (Obama - New Jersey) 1997-1998
96. George H.W. Bush (Republican - Florida) 1998-1999
97. George W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 1999-2000
98. Ronald Reagan (Republican - Georgia) 2000-2001

99. Barack Obama (Obama - California) 2001-2002
100. Ronald Reagan (Republican - Pennsylvania) 2002-2003
101. George H.W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 2003-2004

102. John F. Kennedy, Jr. (Democratic - Massachusetts) 2004-2005
103. George W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 2005-2006
104. Bill Clinton (Clinton - Missouri) 2006-2007
105. George W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 2006-2007
106. Barack Obama, Sr. (Obama - Illinois) 2007-2008
107. George W. Bush, Sr. (Bush - Florida) 2008-2009
108. Ronald Reagan (Republican - Texas) 2009-2010
109. Al Gore (Democratic - Virginia) 2010-2011
110. John McCain (Republican - Arizona) 2011-2012
112. George H.W. Bush (Republican - Texas) 2012-2013
113. Jimmy Carter (Republican - Tennessee) 2013-2014

114. Howard Baker (Democratic - New Mexico) 2014-2015
115. John McCain (Republican - Arizona) 2015-2016
116. Barack Obama (Republican - Illinois) 2016-2017
117. George W. Bush (Republican - Florida) 2017-2018
118. Jimmy Carter (Republican - Tennessee) 2018-2019
119. Marco Rubio (Republican - Florida) 2019-2020

120. Hillary Clinton (Democratic - New York) 2020-
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« Reply #758 on: May 18, 2019, 09:08:51 PM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
11. James Knox Polk (Democratic, Tennessee) 1845 – 1849
12. Zachary Taylor (Whig, Louisiana) 1849 – 1850 †
13. Millard Fillmore (Whig, New York) 1850 – 1853

14. Franklin Pierce (Democratic, New Hampshire) 1853 – 1857
15. Millard Fillmore (American, New York) 1857 – 1861
16. Stephen Arnold Douglas (Democratic, Illinois) 1861 – 1861 †
17. John Cabell Breckinridge (Democratic, Kentucky) 1861 – 1863


     PRESIDENTS of the UTICA CONGRESS
     Acting. Solomon Foot (Republican, Vermont)  1863 – 1863
     Acting. Simon Cameron (Republican, Pennsylvania) 1863 – 1865


          PRESIDENTS of the ‘‘NATIONAL’’ GOVERNMENT
          17. John Cabell Breckinridge (Democratic, Kentucky) 1863 – 1865

     PRESIDENTS of the PHILADELPHIA (UNION) GOVERNMENT
     18. Henry Smith Lane (National Union, Indiana) 1865 – 1868

          PRESIDENTS of the RICHMOND (CONFEDERATE) GOVERNMENT
          18. Jefferson Finis Davis (Democratic, Mississippi) 1865 – 1867 *

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
18. Henry Smith Lane (National Union, Indiana) 1868 – 1870 †
19. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain (National Union, Maine) 1870 – 1877
20. Ulysses S. Grant (National Union, Ohio) 1877 – 1881
21. James Gillespie Blaine (National Union, Maine) 1881 – 1893

22. Stephen Grover Cleveland (Liberal, New York) 1893 – 1901
23. Thomas Bracket Reed (National Union, Maine) 1901 – 1902 †
24. Charles Warren Fairbanks (National Union, Indiana) 1902 – 1905
25. Henry Cabot Lodge (National Union, Massachusetts) 1905 – 1921

26. Emil Seidel (Labor, Wisconsin) 1921 – 1925
27. Warren Gamaliel Harding (National Union, Ohio) 1925 – 1930 †
28. Charles Curtis (National Union, Kansas) 1930 – 1937

29. Upton Sinclair (Labor, California) 1937 – 1949
30. William Orville Douglas (Labor, Minnesota) 1949 – 1953

31. Dwight David Eisenhower (National Union, Kansas) 1953 – 1957
32. Cyrus Rowlett Smith (National Union, Texas) 1957 – 1961

33. Hubert Horatio Humphrey (Labor, Minnesota) 1961 – 1969
34. George Sidney McGovern (Labor, South Dakota) 1969 – 1973

35. Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (National Union, New York) 1973 – 1979 †
36. John Bowden Connally (National Union, Texas) 1979 – 1981

37. Maurice Robert Gravel (Labor, Alaska) 1981 – 1985
38. George Herbert Walker Bush (National Union, Connecticut) 1985 – 1989
39. Mario Matthew Cuomo (Labor, New York) 1989 – 1997
40. Paul David Wellstone (Labor, Minnesota) 1997 – 2005

41. Richard Bruce Cheney (National Union, Wyoming) 2005 – 2013
42. Barrack Hussein Obama (Labor, Hawaii) 2013 – present

† Died of natural causes          * Arrested

Lemme guess. The North secedes from the Union in 1865 and wins the Civil War.
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« Reply #759 on: May 20, 2019, 08:32:01 AM »

Nixon as Hayes

37. Richard Nixon/Rogers Morton 1969-1973
38. John Ashbrook/Robert Finch 1973
39. Robert Finch/vacant 1973-1977
40. Walter Mondale/Otto Kerner Jr. 1977, vacant 1977-1981
41. John Eisenhower/George H.W. Bush 1981-1985
42. Walter Mondale/Bob Graham 1985-1989
43. Jim Thompson/Elizabeth Dole 1989-1991, vacant 1991, Pete Wilson 1991-1993
44. Pete Wilson/vacant 1993, Dan Quayle 1993-2001
45. Donald Rumsfeld/John Kasich 2001-2004, vacant 2004-2005
46. Howard Dean/Mark Warner 2005-2013
47. Bob McDonnell/Chris Christie 2013-2015
48. Chris Christie/vacant 2015, Rudy Giuliani 2015-2021
49. Scott Brown/John Thune 2021-2025
50. Kamala Harris/Hakeem Jeffries 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1968: Hubert Humphrey/Otto Kerner Jr.
1972: Creighton Abrams/Vance Hartke
1976: George P. Schultz/Charles Percy
1980: Walter Mondale/Birch Bayh
1984: John Eisenhower/Anne Armstrong
1988: Jesse Jackson/Chris Dodd
1992: Jesse Jackson/Bob Graham
1996: Robert P. Casey/Lloyd Bentsen
2000: Jesse Jackson/Evan Bayh
2004: Donald Rumsfeld/Jack Kemp, Pete Wilson/George Pataki
2008: Jim Douglas/Dan Quayle
2012: Tim Kaine/Kamala Harris
2016: Gary Locke/Barack Obama
2020: Gavin Newsom/Amy Klobuchar
2024: Scott Brown/John Thune
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« Reply #760 on: May 21, 2019, 02:07:34 PM »

All the Way with HHH

Hubert Humphrey 1961-1965
William Scranton 1965-1971
Howard Baker 1971-1973
George Wallace 1973-1977
Phil Crane 1977-1985
Ronald Reagan 1985-1989
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« Reply #761 on: May 22, 2019, 09:45:02 PM »

W as Harrison

43. George W. Bush/George Pataki 2001-2005
44. Al Gore/Bill Nelson 2005-2009
45. Tom Ridge/Eric Cantor 2009-2011, vacant 2011, Chris Christie 2011-2013
46. Chris Christie/vacant 2013, Mitch Daniels 2013-2021
47. Mitt Romney/Pat Toomey 2021-2024, vacant 2024-2025
48. Julian Castro/Richard Cordray 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

2000: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman
2004: George W. Bush/Alan Keyes
2008: Dennis Kucinich/Howard Dean
2012: Dennis Kucinich/Bill Nelson
2016: Rahm Emanuel/Elizabeth Warren
2020: Dennis Kucinich/Beto O'Rourke
2024: Mitt Romney/Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie/Charlie Baker
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« Reply #762 on: May 29, 2019, 02:03:01 PM »
« Edited: August 14, 2019, 02:56:53 PM by sentinel »

Monarchs of the United States of America
1. George Washington, House Washington, 1789 - 1799, No affiliation
U.S. Parliament elected John Adams as King given the end of the Washington line

2. John Adams, House Adams, 1799 - 1826, Federalist Party
Styled as King John, Age 64 at coronation, age 90 at death

3. William Steuben Smith Jr., House Adams, 1826 - 1850, No affiliation
Styled as King William, age 39 at coronation, age 63 at death

4. John Adams Smith, House Adams, 1850 - 1854, Federalist Party
Styled as King John II, age 62 at coronation, age 66 at death

5. Caroline Elizabeth De Windt, House Adams, 1854 - 1895, Manifest Party
Styled as Queen Elizabeth, age 39 at coronation, age 80 at death

6. Hazel Van Wagnen, House Adams, 1895 - 1920, Hamilton Party
Styled as Queen Hazel, age 11 at coronation, age 36 at death

7. Henry Hamilton Wellman, House Adams, 1920 - 1986, Hazel Party
Styled as King Henry, age 10 at coronation, age 76 at death

8. Charles Francis Adams IV, House Adams, 1986 - 1999, Hazel Party
Styled as King Charles, age 76 at coronation, age 89 at death

9. Abigail Adams Manny, House Adams, 1999 - Present, Republican Party
Styled as Queen Abigail, coronation at age 64

Executives of the United States of America
Executives are the head of government while the monarch is the head of state. Elected by the lower house of Parliament
1. John Adams, Federalist Party, 1789 - 1795
2. John Jay, Federalist Party, 1795 - 1801
3. Alexander Hamilton*, Federalist Party, 1801 - 1804
Hamilton is shot by an errant bullet from Aaron Burr while watching a duel
4. John Jay, Federalist Party, 1804 - 1807

5. Thomas Jefferson, Populist Party, 1807 - 1813
6. James Madison, Populist Party, 1813 - 1819

7. DeWitt Clinton, Federalist Party, 1819 - 1825
Clinton was the last Executive of the Federalist Party. After, it would split into the Hamilton Party, centered around centralization of government, and the Manifest Party, focused on expansion
8. Henry Clay, Populist Party, 1825 - 1837
9. John Quincy Adams, Hamilton Party, 1837 - 1843
10. Andrew Jackson*, Manifest Party, 1843 - 1845
Jackson dies in office from natural causes
11. William Pope Duval*, Manifest Party, 1845 - 1854
Duval dies in office from natural causes
12. Nathaniel P. Banks, Manifest Party, 1854 - 1855
Loses reelection in his district
13. John Pope, Manifest Party, 1855 - 1863
14. Christopher C. Augur, Hamilton Party, 1863 - 1867
15. Nelson A. Miles, Hamilton Party, 1867 - 1891
16. Levi T. Griffin, Hamilton Party, 1891 - 1893
17. Whitelaw Reid, Manifest Party, 1893 -1895
18. Adlai Stevenson, Hamilton Party, 1895 - 1897
19.Whitelaw Reid, Manifest Party, 1897 - 1899
After losing the majority in the lower house of Parliament, the Hamilton Party would weaken and a party realignment would shift the Manifest Party (pro-expansion, nationalist, pro-monarchy), the Republican Party (anti-monarchy, strong national government, unclear on expansion), and the Hazel Party (pro-monarchy, pro-empowering people through state governments)
20. William Jennings Bryan, Hazel Party, 1899 - 1907
21. Alton Parker, Republican Party, 1907 - 1915
22. Henry Davis, Manifest Party, 1915 - 1916
Dies in office of natural causes
23. William H. Taft, Manifest Party, 1916 - 1919
24. Gilbert Hitchcock, Republican Party, 1919 - 1934
Dies in office of natural causes
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« Reply #763 on: June 01, 2019, 05:49:13 PM »

First, the winners:

1944:  Franklin D. Roosevelt and James F. Byrnes (D)
1948:  Thomas E. Dewey and Earl Warren (R)
1952:  Thomas E. Dewey and Earl Warren (R)
1956:  Stuart Symington and Estes Kefauver (D)
1960:  Stuart Symington and Estes Kefauver (D)
1964:  Nelson Rockefeller and Thruston Morton (R)
1968:  Nelson Rockefeller and Thruston Morton (R)
1972:  Terry Sanford and Henry Jackson (D)
1976:  Terry Sanford and Henry Jackson (D)
1980:  Henry Jackson and Lawton Chiles (D)
1984:  Robert Dole and John Heinz (R)
1988:  Robert Dole and John Heinz (R)
1992:  Mario Cuomo and Sam Nunn (D)
1996:  Mario Cuomo and Sam Nunn (D)
2000:  Sam Nunn and Patty Murray (D)
2004:  Sam Nunn and Patty Murray (D)
2008:  Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush (R)
2012:  Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush (R)
2016:  Amy Kloubuchar and Deval Patrick (D)

Now, for the losers:

1944:  Arthur Vandenberg and Irving Ives (R)
1948:  James F. Byrnes and Robert Kerr (D)
1952:  Adlai E. Stevenson and Richard B. Russell (D)
1956:  Earl Warren and Christian Herter (R)
1960:  Barry Goldwater and Roman Hruska (R)
1964:  Hubert Humphrey and Paul Douglas (D)
1968:  Carl Sanders and Frank Lausche (D)
1972:  Thruston Morton and Ronald Reagan (R)
1976:  Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp (R)
1980:  Jack Kemp and Richard Lugar (R)
1984:  Lawton Chiles and Alan Cranston (D)
1988:  Richard Gephardt and Richard Shelby (D)
1992:  Pete Wilson and Thad Cochran (R)
1996:  Carroll Campbell and Connie Mack (R)
2000:  Connie Mack and John Engler (R)
2004:  Rick Santorum and Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R)
2008:  Patty Murray and Barack Obama (D)
2012:  Ed Rendell and Amy Klobuchar (D)
2016:  Jeb Bush and Mary Fallin (R)
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« Reply #764 on: June 03, 2019, 04:25:15 PM »

1932: Second Time's The Charm (again)

32. Al Smith/John Nance Garner 1933-1941
33. John Nance Garner/Millard Tydings 1941-1949
34. Earl Warren/Charles Halleck 1949-1957
35. Charles Halleck/Leverett Saltonstall 1957-1961
36. John F. Kennedy/George Smathers 1961-1969
37. Nelson Rockefeller/John Tower 1969-1977
38. Ted Kennedy/Birch Bayh 1977-1985
39. Paul Laxalt/Alan Simpson 1985-1993
40. Mario Cuomo/Lloyd Bentsen 1993-1997
41. Arlen Specter/Tommy Thompson 1997-2005
42. Howard Dean/Dick Gephardt 2005-2013
43. Jon Huntsman/Chris Christie 2013-2021
44. Kamala Harris/Amy Klobuchar 2021-2029

Losing Tickets

1932: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis
1936: Frederick Steiwer/Lester Dickinson
1940: Arthur Vandenberg/Arthur James
1944: Robert A. Taft/Thomas E. Dewey
1948: Millard Tydings/James Byrnes
1952: Estes Kefauver/Ernest McFarland
1956: Hubert Humphrey/Stuart Symington
1960: Charles Hallleck/Leverett Saltonstall
1964: William Scranton/Norris Cotton
1968: George Smathers/Edmund Muskie
1972: Edmund Muskie/Cyrus Vance
1976: John Tower/Gerald R. Ford
1980: George H.W. Bush/Richard Lugar
1984: Birch Bayh/Gary Hart
1988: Al Gore/Michael Dukakis
1992: Alan Simpson/Carroll Campbell
1996: Mario Cuomo/Lloyd Bentsen
2000: John Kerry/Russ Feingold
2004: Tommy Thompson/George Allen
2008: George Pataki/Olympia Snowe
2012: Hillary Clinton/Ed Rendell
2016: Elizabeth Warren/Sherrod Brown
2020: Ben Sasse/Mike Pence
2024: Rand Paul/Brian Sandoval
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« Reply #765 on: June 03, 2019, 11:35:24 PM »

Idk what to call this so here's a list of future presidents:
45. Donald Trump (R-NY)/Mike Pence (R-IN) 2017-2021
46. Joe Biden (D-DE)/Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) 2021-2025
47. Mike Pence (R-IN)/Tom Cotton (R-AR) 2025-2029
48. Pete Buttigieg (D-IN)/Andrew Yang (D-NY) 2029-2037
49. Andrew Yang (D-NY)/Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) 2037-2041
50. Janet Nϊρez (R-FL)/Brent Sanford (R-ND) 2041-

Losing Tickets:
2016: Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Tim Kaine (D-VA)
2020: Donald Trump (R-NY)/Mike Pence (R-IN)
2024: Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)/Deb Haaland (D-NM)
2028: Tom Cotton (R-AR)/Matt Bevin (R-KY)
2032: Martha McSally (R-AZ)/Josh Hawley (R-MO)
2036: Josh Hawley (R-MO)/Will Ainsworth (R-AL)
2040: Andrew Yang (D-NY)/Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI)
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« Reply #766 on: June 12, 2019, 10:28:20 AM »

The Presidents Without the Presidents

1. Henry Knox/Samuel Adams 1789-1793
2. John Hancock/Thomas Pinckney 1793
3. Thomas Pinckney/vacant 1793-1797, Alexander Hamilton 1797-1801

4. Aaron Burr/George Clinton 1801-1812, vacant 1812-1813, Elbridge Gerry 1813-1814, vacant 1814-1817
(Thirteenth Amendment passed in 1818 to prevent this from happening again)
5. Rufus King/John E. Howard 1817-1825
6. Henry Clay/John C. Calhoun 1825-1829, Richard Rush 1829-1833
7. Andrew Stevenson/Charles E. Dudley 1833-1841, vacant 1841
8. Francis Granger/Daniel Webster 1841-1849
9. Robert M. T. Hunter/William Rufus King 1849-1853, vacant 1853-1857
10. Stephen Douglas/Benjamin Fitzpatrick 1857-1861
11. Benjamin Fitzpatrick/vacant 1861-1865

12. William Seward/Hannibal Hamlin 1865-1872
13. Hannibal Hamlin/vacant 1872-1873
14. Joseph Hooker/Schuyler Colfax 1873-1877

15. Samuel Tilden/Thomas Hendricks 1877-1881
16. James G. Blaine/John A. Logan 1881-1886, vacant 1886-1889
17. John Sherman/Levi P. Morton 1889-1897

18. William Jennings Bryan/Tom Watson 1897-1905
19. William Randolph Hearst/Alton B. Parker 1905-1913
20. Robert M. LaFollette/Elihu Root 1913-1921
21. James Cox/William G. McAdoo 1921-1929
22. Al Smith/Joseph T. Robinson 1929-1933

23. Frank Orren Lowden/Alf Landon 1933-1937
24. Henry Wallace/John Garner 1937-1945
25. John Garner/Alben Barkley 1945-1949

26. Douglas MacArthur/Earl Warren 1949-1957
27. Earl Warren/Charles A. Halleck 1957-1965

28. Hubert H. Humphrey/Ed Muskie 1965-1973
29. Nelson Rockefeller/Barry Goldwater 1973-1977
30. Jerry Brown/Ted Kennedy 1977-1981
31. John Anderson/Howard Baker 1981-1989
32. Howard Baker/Bob Dole 1989-1997

33. Al Gore/Joe Lieberman 1997-2005
34. Joe Lieberman/Mark Pryor 2005-2013

35. Paul Ryan/Lindsey Graham 2013-2021

Losing Tickets:
1789: None
1792: Patrick Henry/George Clinton
1796: George Clinton/Aaron Burr
1800: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney/Rufus King
1804: Alexander Hamilton/John C. Smith
1808: Rufus King/Timothy Pitkin
1812: DeWitt Clinton/Jared Ingersoll
1816: Aaron Burr/Daniel D. Tompkins
1820: William Crawford/Henry Clay
1824: John E. Howard/Richard Rush
1828: John C. Calhoun/Andrew Stevenson
1832: Richard Rush/William Wirt
1836: Daniel Webster/John Bell
1840: Felix Grundy/John Jones
1844: George M. Dallas/Alexander O. Anderson
1848: Theodore Frelinghuysen/John Davis
1852: Winfield Scott/William Graham
1856: John C. Fremont/James G. Birney
1860: Salmon P. Chase/Edwin Stanton
1864: Benjamin Fitzpatrick/George B. McClellan
1868: Horatio Seymour/Francis Blair
1872: Francis Blair/James Longstreet
1876: Schuyler Colfax/William A. Wheeler
1880: Thomas Hendricks/Lucius Robinson
1884: Thomas Hendricks/David B. Hill
1888: Isaac P. Gray/Patrick A. Collins
1892: David B. Hill/Adlai Stevenson I
1896: Thomas Bracket Reed/William B. Allison
1900: Thomas Bracket Reed/Joseph B. Foraker
1904: Charles Fairbanks/Frank S. Black
1908: Henry Cabot Lodge/Joseph Gurney Cannon
1912: Champ Clark/Oscar Underwood
1916: Thomas R. Marshall/Simeon E. Baldwin
1920: Hiram Johnson/Nicholas Murray Butler
1924: Hiram Johnson/James E. Watson
1928: Charles Curtis/Alvan T. Fuller
1932: Al Smith/Joseph T. Robinson
1936: Frank Orren Lowden/Alf Landon
1940: Alf Landon/Frederick Steiwer
1944: Thomas Dewey/John Bricker
1948: John Garner/Alben Barkley
1952: Richard Russell/Adlai Stevenson II
1956: Adlai Stevenson II/Estes Kefauver
1960: Stuart Symington/Henry Jackson
1964: George Romney/Nelson Rockefeller
1968: Barry Goldwater/William Miller
1972: Ed Muskie/George McGovern
1976: Nelson Rockefeller/Barry Goldwater
1980: Jerry Brown/Ted Kennedy
1984: Walter Mondale/Gary Hart
1988: Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Al Gore/Mario Cuomo
1996: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
2000: John McCain/Steve Forbes
2004: Steve Forbes/Dick Cheney
2008: Mitt Romney/Mike Huckabee
2012: Hillary Rodham/Deval Patrick
2016: Elizabeth Warren/Chris Dodd*

*: this only applies to people who have not yet been President, not people who absolutely won't be President
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« Reply #767 on: June 13, 2019, 07:13:37 PM »

Speakers of the House in a Dukakis Wins 1988 Scenario:

Tom Foley (Democratic): 1989-1995
Dick Cheney (Republican): 1995-1999
Dick Gephardt (Democratic): 1999-2007
John Boehner (Republican): 2007-2013
Nancy Pelosi (Democratic): 2013-2019
John Boehner (Republican): 2019-Present
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« Reply #768 on: June 15, 2019, 08:20:10 PM »

Nixon as Wilson

37. Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller 1969-1977
38. Henry Jackson/Michael Dukakis 1977-1979
39. Michael Dukakis/vacant 1979, Vance Harke 1979-1985
40. Lloyd Bentsen/Alan Cranston 1985-1989
41. George H.W. Bush/Bob Michel 1989-1997, Dick Cheney 1997-2001, Bob Kasten 2001
42. Bob Kasten/vacant 2001, Bill Frist 2001-2009
43. Wesley Clark/Sherrod Brown 2009-2017
44. Rand Paul/John Cornyn 2017-2019
45. John Cornyn/vacant 2019, Jim DeMint 2019-2025
46. Sherrod Brown/Andrew Cuomo 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1968: Lyndon B. Johnson/Cyrus Vance, Robert F. Kennedy/Terry Sanford
1972: Richard J. Hughes/Hubert Humphrey
1976: Daniel Evans/George W. Bush
1980: William Scranton/Ronald Reagan
1984: Bill Clements/Bob Dole
1988: Lloyd Bentsen/Alan Cranston
1992: Jerry Brown/Jesse Jackson
1996: Lee Iacocca/Paul Tsongas
2000: Howard Dean/Evan Bayh
2004: Howard Dean/Gary Locke
2008: Jeb Bush/Gordon Smith
2012: Jeb Bush/Mike Huckabee
2016: Sherrod Brown/Tim Kaine
2020: Elizabeth Warren/Tim Ryan
2024: Jim DeMint/Scott Brown
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« Reply #769 on: June 15, 2019, 11:14:05 PM »
« Edited: July 05, 2019, 09:23:12 PM by respect mah majoritah! »

A repost of a weird list I did on AH.com a few months back. References link to their corresponding lyrics, EV tallies link to maps of each election.

Lyrical Leaders: LCD Soundsystem (US)

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA

1989-1997: George H. W. Bush (Republican) — "You're blowing Marxism to pieces!" [1]
Vice Presidents
Dan Quayle (Republican)
1988: VP George H. W. Bush/Sen. Dan Quayle (GOP-TX/IN) def. Gov. Michael Dukakis/Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (DEM-MA/TX) (426-111-1)
1992: Pres. George H. W. Bush/VP Dan Quayle (GOP-TX/IN) def. Gov. Bill Clinton/Gov. Doug Wilder (DEM-AR/VA) (308-230)


1997-2005: Doug Wilder (Democratic) — "Three, we have a Black president and you do not, so shut up" [2]
Vice Presidents
Evan Bayh (Democratic)

1996: Sen. Douglas Wilder/Gov. Evan Bayh (DEM-VA/IN) def. Sen. Bob Dole/Sen. Phil Gramm (GOP-KS/TX) (297-241)
2000: Pres. Douglas Wilder/VP Evan Bayh (DEM-VA/IN) def. Mr. Pat Buchanan/Gov. Tommy Thompson (GOP-VA/WI) (408-130)


2005-2011: Norm Coleman (Republican)* — "And we don't waste time with love, it's just death from above!" [3]
Vice Presidents
George W. Bush (Republican)
2004: Gov. Norm Coleman/Sen. George W. Bush (GOP-MN/TX) def. VP Evan Bayh/Sen. Bob Casey Jr. (DEM-IN/PA), Mr. Ben Cohen/Mr. Scott Wallace (GRN-VT/MD), Mr. Pat Buchanan/Fmr. Asst. Sec. Alan Keyes (CON-VA/MD) (276-262)
2008: Pres. Norm Coleman/VP George W. Bush (GOP-MN/TX) def. Ret. Gen. Wesley Clark/Sen. Carl Levin (DEM-AR/MI) (322-216)


2011-2013: George W. Bush (Republican) — "There shouldn't be this ring of silence, but what are the options / when someone great is gone?" [4]
Vice Presidents
Arlen Specter (Republican)


2013-2021: Michael Bloomberg (Democratic) — "Your mild billionaire mayor is now convinced he's a king" [5]
Vice Presidents
Jay Rockefeller (Democratic)

2012: Mayor Michael Bloomberg/Sen. Jay Rockefeller (DEM-NY/WV) def. Sen. Connie Mack IV/Gov. Dean Heller (GOP-FL/NV) (303-235)
2016: Pres. Michael Bloomberg/VP Jay Rockefeller (DEM-NY/WV) def. Sen. Charles Boustany/Gov. Margaret Stock (GOP-LA/AK) (293-245)


2021-2029: Scott Walker (Republican) — ". . . Scott Walker!" [6]
Vice Presidents
Nikki Haley (Republican)

2020: Gov. Scott Walker/Gov. Nikki Haley (GOP-WI/SC) def. Sen. Elizabeth Herring/Gov. Gary King (DEM-CT/NM) (317-228)
2024: Pres. Scott Walker/VP Nikki Haley (GOP-WI/SC) def. Gov. Beau Biden/Gov. Jared Polis (DEM-DE/CO), State Sen. Richard Ojeda/State Sen. Julia Salazar (SOC-WV/NY) (342-203)


2029-2033: Nikki Haley (Republican) — "It comes apart, the way it does in bad films / Except the part when the moral kicks in” [7]
Vice Presidents
Pat Toomey (Republican)

2028: VP Nikki Haley/Sen. Pat Toomey (GOP-SC/PA) def. Sen. Natalie Tennant/Mayor London Breed (DEM-WV/CA), Sen. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Denver Schools Supt. Emily Sirota (SOC-NY/CO) (322-223)


2033-present: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democratic and Socialist) — "Oh, the revolution was here / that would set you free from those bourgeoisie" [8]
Vice Presidents
Ro Khanna (Democratic)

2032: Sen. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Rep. Ro Khanna (DEM-NY/CA) / Sen. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/State Sen. Amanda Curtis^ (SOC-NY/MT) def. Pres. Nikki Haley/VP Pat Toomey (GOP-SC/PA) (366-179)

* - died of lung cancer December 26, 2011
^ - appointed Secretary of Direct Climate Action


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« Reply #770 on: June 23, 2019, 06:05:03 PM »

FDR as Grant

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt/John Nance Garner 1933-1937, William Gibbs McAdoo 1937-1939, vacant 1939-1941
33. Paul McNutt/William Bankhead 1941-1945
34. Estes Kefauver/William O. Douglas 1945
35. William O. Douglas/vacant 1945-1949
36. Earl Warren/Alf Landon 1949, vacant 1949-1953
37. James Roosevelt./J. William Fulbright 1953-1957
38. Earl Warren/Charles Halleck 1957-1961
39. Adlai Stevenson/John F. Kennedy 1961-1963, vacant 1963-1965, Pat Brown 1965
40. Pat Brown/vacant 1965-1969, Hubert Humphrey 1969-1973
41. Vance Hartke/Wilbur Mills 1973-1976, vacant 1976-1977
42. Ronald Reagan/George Romney 1977-1985
43. Bill Bradley/Edmund Muskie 1985-1987
44. Edmund Muskie/vacant 1987-1989, Henry Cisneros 1989-1993
45. Sam Nunn/George Mitchell 1993-1997
46. Arlen Specter/Newt Gingrich 1997-2005, Tommy Thompson 2005-2009, Peter Fitzgerald 2009
47. Peter Fitzgerald/vacant 2009-2013, Bill Frist 2013-2017
48. William McRaven/Chris Murphy 2017-2025
49. George P. Bush/John Thune 2025-2027
50. John Thune/vacant 2027-2029

Losing Tickets

1932: James Rolph/John Q. Tilson
1936: Hamilton Fish III/Frank Lowden
1940: Frank Merriam/Alf Landon
1944: Douglas MacArthur/Everett Dirksen
1948: James Byrnes/Scott Lucas
1952: Earl Warren/Robert A. Taft
1956: James Roosevelt/Robert F. Wagner Jr.
1960: Barry Goldwater/James P. Mitchell
1964: Barry Goldwater/Charles Halleck
1968: John Lindsay/Frank Carlson
1972: Barry Goldwater/Robert Finch
1976: Vance Hartke/Walter Fauntroy, Pat Brown/Hugh Carey
1980: Jerry Brown/Hubert Humphrey
1984: Thomas Kean/Arlen Specter
1988: George H.W. Bush/George Deukmejian
1992: Dick Thornburgh/Bob Dole
1996: Sam Nunn/George Mitchell
2000: Howard Dean/Jesse Jackson
2004: Wesley Clark/Tom Daschle
2008: Ed Rendell/Tim Kaine
2012: Ed Rendell/Jay Inslee
2016: Mike Pence/Rob Portman
2020: Mike Pence/Mike Lee
2024: Chris Murphy/Bob Casey
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« Reply #771 on: June 27, 2019, 12:57:47 PM »

Truman as Teddy

33. Harry S. Truman/vacant 1945-1949, Richard Russell 1949-1953
34. W. Averell Harriman/John F. Kennedy 1953-1956, vacant 1956-1957
35. Christian Herter/Goodwin Knight 1957-1965
36. Robert Kerr/Pat Brown 1965-1967
37. Pat Brown/vacant 1967-1969, Cyrus Vance 1969-1973
38. Ramsey Clark/Hubert Humphrey 1973-1977
39. Richard Nixon/John Rhodes 1977-1985, John Connally 1985-1989, Arlen Specter 1989
40. Arlen Specter/vacant 1989-1993, Alan Simpson 1993-1997
41. Thomas B. Hayward/Harris Wofford 1997-2005
42. Mitt Romney/Don Nickles 2005-2007
43. Don Nickles/vacant 2007-2009, Fred Thompson 2009-2013
44. Harris Wofford/Mark Dayton 2013-2017, vacant 2017, Tim Ryan 2017-2019
45. Tim Ryan/vacant 2019, Bill Clinton 2019-2021
46. Charlie Baker/Bob Corker 2021-2025
47. Barack Obama/Julian Castro 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1948: Hanford MacNider/Arthur Vandenberg
1952: Thomas E. Dewey/Charles Halleck
1956: W. Averell Harriman/Oscar Ewing, Harry S. Truman/Adlai Stevenson
1960: Edmund Muskie/Richard Russell
1964: Henry Bellmon/Richard Nixon
1968: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./Nelson Rockefeller
1972: Ronald Reagan/Hugh Scott
1976: Ramsey Clark/Hubert Humphrey
1980: Jerry Brown/Kevin White
1984: Lee Iacocca/Wendell Ford
1988: Michael Dukakis/Robert P. Casey
1992: Michael Dukakis/Douglas Wilder
1996: Carroll Campbell/George Pataki
2000: Carroll Campbell/George Allen
2004: Harris Wofford/Patrick J. Kennedy
2008: Bob Graham/Howard Dean
2012: Fred Thompson/Jon Huntsman
2016: Ted Cruz/Chris Christie/Tom Tancredo
2020: Tim Ryan/Chris Murphy
2024: Charlie Baker/Bob Corker
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« Reply #772 on: June 27, 2019, 06:41:53 PM »

Every single one these lists that contains a president born after the point of divergence is WRONG.

Here's an example from the most recent post, Truman as Teddy. Tim Ryan, as Harris Wofford's last VP, ascends to the office in 2019. There's only one problem: Tim Ryan, born in our timeline in 1973...does not exist in this different timeline. The probability of the parents of Tim Ryan going through the exact same series of events in their lives since the POD in the latter 1940s leading up to his conception, then the same sperm reaching the same egg, then the same pregnancy and birth, then the same childhood events, same opportunities acquired to become a politician..the probability is infinitesimal.   

Ever since I realized this truth this thread has become among the worst on atlas for me. If Harry Truman's presidency is different in even one tenth the magnitude required for him to pick a different vice president then the resulting cascade of different choices derived from different conditions and events makes it is more likely for the US to become an insane Catholic Communist theocratic regime then it is for Barack Obama or Tim Ryan to Ever. Be. BORN. Much less become aspiring politicians, politicians, then president.
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« Reply #773 on: June 27, 2019, 07:28:25 PM »

Every single one these lists that contains a president born after the point of divergence is WRONG.

Here's an example from the most recent post, Truman as Teddy. Tim Ryan, as Harris Wofford's last VP, ascends to the office in 2019. There's only one problem: Tim Ryan, born in our timeline in 1973...does not exist in this different timeline. The probability of the parents of Tim Ryan going through the exact same series of events in their lives since the POD in the latter 1940s leading up to his conception, then the same sperm reaching the same egg, then the same pregnancy and birth, then the same childhood events, same opportunities acquired to become a politician..the probability is infinitesimal.   

Ever since I realized this truth this thread has become among the worst on atlas for me. If Harry Truman's presidency is different in even one tenth the magnitude required for him to pick a different vice president then the resulting cascade of different choices derived from different conditions and events makes it is more likely for the US to become an insane Catholic Communist theocratic regime then it is for Barack Obama or Tim Ryan to Ever. Be. BORN. Much less become aspiring politicians, politicians, then president.
Dude nothing is fun about random colored names on a list. If they’re not real or at least inspired by a real person, how would anyone understand it?
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« Reply #774 on: June 27, 2019, 10:19:00 PM »

Just be cool, dude. Damn.
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