DC statehood Megathread (pg 33 - Manchin questioning constitutionality)

[Not Me, Us]

Welp...looks like this is dead for at least another 2 years....

Manchin says he doesn’t support D.C. statehood bill

Great news! So good to see such divisive legislation being denied. Now we can focus on real issues like UBI, or reforming our health care system, or bringing our troops home.

Because all those things are going to happen with Republican control of Congress.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I'll be donating to Manchin's Republican opponent in 2024. He's the most evil person in the US Senate. Worse than Cruz, Hawley, Sinema, and McConnell combined.

In a tied Senate the Rs can join with Sinema or Manchin to block confirmation of unqualified Judges and Cabinet, they haven't filled any judge's but Cabinet they have, that's the consequences of a Power sharing agreement, Joe Manchin have already blocked cabinet members


If they get a clear Majority in the Senate 53 they can get rid of Fillibuster after 2022

[7,052,770]

Welp...looks like this is dead for at least another 2 years....

Manchin says he doesn’t support D.C. statehood bill

Great news! So good to see such divisive legislation being denied. Now we can focus on real issues like UBI, or reforming our health care system, or bringing our troops home.

DC Statehood is only "divisive" to people who don't believe in America anyway and have no interest in solving any of its problems.

[ultraviolet]

I'll be donating to Manchin's Republican opponent in 2024. He's the most evil person in the US Senate. Worse than Cruz, Hawley, Sinema, and McConnell combined.

🤡🤡🤡

[7,052,770]

This is already starting to be framed as "he supports the idea of DC statehood but wants to try a constitutional amendment first."

Obviously the Manchin Amendment won't get close to the necessary 2/3 vote in Congress, which will give him cover to say "I tried, but given Republicans' refusal to do the right thing for partisan reasons, and considering AG Garland's updated opinion, I now have no choice but to back this initiative through a regular bill."

#ManchinCycle

[Roronoa D. Law]

What is Manchin even talking. A constitutional amendment isnt needed to create a state because it is already gives congress the power to create a new state.

 If Manchin wants to have this debate then I demand we have a constitutional amendment on the legitimacy of every state except the original 13. Why is there 2 Dakotas, is West Virginia even legitimate, and why did we pay for Florida?

[Oryxslayer]

Y'all get taken for a ride every time he does his triangulation to preserve his image. Of course voting with the D's isn't good enough when it comes to statehood.

[brucejoel99]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0P4ijfVkAEcfmJ?format=jpg&name=small

Y'all get taken for a ride every time he does his triangulation to preserve his image. Of course voting with the D's isn't good enough when it comes to statehood.

Say it again louder for the people in the back.

Seriously, though, if after everything which we've already been through, one somehow still can't bring themselves to admit that the Manchin Cycle is literally just *a thing that exists*, Idk what to tell you anymore.

[brucejoel99]

Also:

Is there a way DC gets 2 senators without becoming a state?

It would take a constitutional amendment and might even need to get over the entrenched clause. Practically impossible.

I never considered the potential equal suffrage implications, but now that I think about it, yeah, I'm sure some butthurt right-winger would've made a court case about it had the D.C. Voting Rights Amendment ever been ratified.

Each State would still have the same number of Senators, and the provision was clearly intended to prevent the Senate being switched to some other form of apportionment.  I think it would survive any court challenge and if not, Statehood would remain an option.  However, politically, there's zero chance of the Amendment being revived by Congress, let alone ratified by the States. (At most, I could see perhaps Manchin insisting a revival be tried first, with him supporting DC Statehood if not enough Republicans agreed to resend it to the States.)

Ernest is Nostradamus confirmed.

[ultraviolet]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0P4ijfVkAEcfmJ?format=jpg&name=small

Y'all get taken for a ride every time he does his triangulation to preserve his image. Of course voting with the D's isn't good enough when it comes to statehood.

Say it again louder for the people in the back.

Seriously, though, if after everything which we've already been through, one somehow still can't bring themselves to admit that the Manchin Cycle is literally just *a thing that exists*, Idk what to tell you anymore.

People just love to pessimistic for some reason, and it’s annoying af and also a problem for our country

[VBM]

Joe Manchin is a worthless piece of sh**t

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The Manchin Cycle looks to be verging on a cult at this point.

[7,052,770]

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

The Manchin Cycle looks to be verging on a cult at this point.

But don’t you know that Joe Manchin saying he won’t do a thing means he’s sold on it.

I know because I keep reposting a picture.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

that implies this is gonna start over again, which I'd assume this specific issue wouldn't

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The constitutional amendment approach to giving DC representation in congress was already tried. Only 16 states ratified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_Voting_Rights_Amendment

[7,052,770]

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that implies this is gonna start over again, which I'd assume this specific issue wouldn't

52. Puerto Rico
53. Mariana Islands
54. Virgin Islands

[7,052,770]

The constitutional amendment approach to giving DC representation in congress was already tried. Only 16 states ratified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_Voting_Rights_Amendment

Even if some ERA case caused the Supreme Court to rule that amendment deadlines are unconstitutional (not happening), there are only about 10 more states that could plausibly ratify that one, definitely not 20+.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

If you actually read King Joseph’s drivel, he’s not giving himself an out. He’s not even saying he necessarily thinks it’s unconstitutional, he;a saying it will go to the Supreme Court so it’s not worth doing without an amendment.

Also, he doesn’t appear to know how federal amendments work, because he’s apparently under the impression it’s a referendum. Or more likely just lying, because the one through-line in his career is that Joe Manchin will never ever allow Joe Manchin to become even marginally less important for any reason.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The constitutional amendment approach to giving DC representation in congress was already tried. Only 16 states ratified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_Voting_Rights_Amendment

Even if some ERA case caused the Supreme Court to rule that amendment deadlines are unconstitutional (not happening), there are only about 10 more states that could plausibly ratify that one, definitely not 20+.

It's a moot point since it's obviously not getting 38 states, but the deadline is in the text of the amendment, and so it can't be extended.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

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that implies this is gonna start over again, which I'd assume this specific issue wouldn't

52. Puerto Rico
53. Mariana Islands
54. Virgin Islands

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Stop dreaming if D's get 53 Seats DC Statehood would only be enacted not PR statehood, there are moderates opposing PR Tester Sinema and Manchin, Manchin supports DC STATEHOOD not PR due to proximity to WVA

Just like Feinstein put the breaks on Crt packing

If D's get 53 votes after 2023 Manchin will vote for DC Statehood, only

[South Dakota Democrat]

It would be good if people read the article instead of just the headline.

Manchin's reason for opposing it is that he doesn't think legislation is a constitutional solution, not because he wants to vote no, unless I missed it. That leaves the door open to Schumer and others making the case that it is, likely with hearings. This is potentially laying the path for him to change his mind later. 

You're reaching.

[emailking]

I'm confused why CNN and MSNBC seem to be ignoring Machin's statement entirely. Whether the believe him or not, it's the kind of thing that gets reported pretty prominently.

[Brittain33]

It would be good if people read the article instead of just the headline.

Manchin's reason for opposing it is that he doesn't think legislation is a constitutional solution, not because he wants to vote no, unless I missed it. That leaves the door open to Schumer and others making the case that it is, likely with hearings. This is potentially laying the path for him to change his mind later. 

You're reaching.

True, but so are 100% Doomers. Truth lies somewhere in between.

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/fdrlst/status/1387798836555431942

Racist assholes