Minneapolis cops slowly murder handcuffed man in front of crowd

[Beet]

We all know what supported the arrests because it's the same thing that always happens. Politicians felt there was a name to make for themselves by appealing to an unhinged and illogical mob against all sensible justice. Remember when Stephanie Rawlings-Blake thought she could make herself a national name. And especially Marilyn Mosby.

I don't know that. I assume that probable cause was found since they have been charged, and I'm willing to keep an open mind that there will not be proof beyond a reasonable doubt of their guilt.

To be fair this case is more clear cut than many previous BLM cases, and Officers Keung and Lang were holding Floyd down, so if Chauvin committed a crime then they certainly helped in it. And Thao did as well by physically protecting Chauvin from bystanders. You could say they were accessories to a crime which warrants being charged, in a similar way that the getaway driver is charged even though he didn't commit the robbery.

As far as politicians "making a name" sure, but absent public pressure the police and prosecutorial systems have an incestuous relationship. What's really needed is a truly independent prosecutorial branch that oversees the police, but we don't have that. Without these cell phone videos the whole thing would have been swept under the rug.

[emailking]

Yeah I don't expect them to be acquitted and definitely agree with the arrests but will keep an open mind that there may be something we're missing. A trial will definitely sort it out and see justice is served, one way or the other.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

We all know what supported the arrests because it's the same thing that always happens. Politicians felt there was a name to make for themselves by appealing to an unhinged and illogical mob against all sensible justice. Remember when Stephanie Rawlings-Blake thought she could make herself a national name. And especially Marilyn Mosby.

I don't know that. I assume that probable cause was found since they have been charged, and I'm willing to keep an open mind that there will not be proof beyond a reasonable doubt of their guilt.

To be fair this case is more clear cut than many previous BLM cases, and Officers Keung and Lang were holding Floyd down, so if Chauvin committed a crime then they certainly helped in it. And Thao did as well by physically protecting Chauvin from bystanders. You could say they were accessories to a crime which warrants being charged, in a similar way that the getaway driver is charged even though he didn't commit the robbery.

As far as politicians "making a name" sure, but absent public pressure the police and prosecutorial systems have an incestuous relationship. What's really needed is a truly independent prosecutorial branch that oversees the police, but we don't have that. Without these cell phone videos the whole thing would have been swept under the rug.

The getaway driver intended to be part of a crime job. The police intended to enforce the law as a legitimate job that supports our municipalities, and one of their colleagues did that job inadequately. They didn't willingly plan on being there for the commission of a crime. That's the problem with all these leftists - they believe that being a cop is a criminal act in itself. Arresting a suspect experiencing side effects of drugs translates to third degree assault - give me a break.

Inaction in a window of minutes should not be a criminal matter.

[Badger]

Floyd said that he couldn't breathe while standing up and when he was constrained on the ground. It is not unreasonable to believe that his position did not have an effect on his breathing.

An autopsy proved he was suffocated due to the placement of knees on his neck and back so it doesn't really matter what it might be reasonable to believe before we had that result. Now we know he was suffocated and why he suffocated.

Don't confuse JJ 2.0 with facts.

[Intell]

I have a bad feeling the cop won’t be found guilty 2nd degree murder

[HisGrace]

https://twitter.com/LeonHWolf/status/1268168295062155265?s=19

https://twitter.com/LeonHWolf/status/1268168296714698752?s=19

There's pretty much no response to this. I think it's narcissism more than a lack of sincerity. When they want to stay home then everyone has to stay home, but the second something they think is important happens then it's okay to go out again. Morality determined 100% by their personal wishes and not any objective standard.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I have a bad feeling the cop won’t be found guilty 2nd degree murder

That might be part of the logic of charging him with it. A normal person watching the video footage would conclude that he's totally guilty of it, so it more than meets probable cause, but the reasonable doubt standard is stringent enough, and difficult enough to convince duly empaneled juries of in cases involving cops, that Ellison might be using this charge as a ploy to make conviction on third-degree murder and/or voluntary manslaughter more likely.

[jimrtex]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

What an utterly obtuse response. It was a simple question, it didn’t require a ponderous line of branching inquiries capped by a non-sequitur.

Wrongdoing means illegal or dishonest behavior

You can do something wrong, but it not be illegal or dishonest.

I was simply asking for clarification of what PKG was asking.

You launched off into a line of tangential questions that weren't necessary for stating your position clearly. She didn't ask you about what you thought about the other officers' culpability or about another unrelated police shooting case involving a black victim, she asked you whether you think Derek Chauvin is responsible for wrongdoing. You also could have just freely given your opinion on whether you thought it was malfeasance or misfeasance, or whether it was wrong, illegal, dishonest, or any combination of the three, or none. PGQ isn't a lawyer or judge, she probably wasn't even thinking about the legalese aspect when she asked her question.

She asked a question that included a word which typically has a certain connotation.

I know that she is neither a lawyer or judge, but I suspect that she does understand what I was asking.

[jimrtex]

https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/1268240529034227713
 

I bet if Klobuchar was still prosecutor she would have thrown the binder at him.

[HisGrace]

So do I have this right, he's being charged with 2nd degree murder in addition to 3rd degree murder? I've read some articles that say the charge has been "upgraded" and others that say he's being charged with both. I didn't think you could charge someone with two different degrees of murder for the same killing, but Minnesota's murder laws appear to be somewhat funky.

[Koharu]

As someone who's been in support of social distancing and the lockdowns, I guess I'll take the bait. The same as the reopen protests, I don't think people should be protesting right now. However, as I said then, it is their right to do so, and at least a higher percentage of the current protestors are wearing masks. In addition, it seems to be overall a younger demographic, so in some ways I pray they are safe, but they are endangering themselves and others.

It stinks because the momentum and timing of this moment is very important. I understand why people want to protest. If it weren't for the virus, I would be protesting every possible moment. I wish we could bottle and save the momentum for when things are safer, but it doesn't work that way. I also have much more sympathy for this cause because it is protesting the last 400 years, not merely the last two months.

This is a complex issue and it's not easily disentangled.

[Intell]

So do I have this right, he's being charged with 2nd degree murder in addition to 3rd degree murder? I've read some articles that say the charge has been "upgraded" and others that say he's being charged with both. I didn't think you could charge someone with two different degrees of murder for the same killing, but Minnesota's murder laws appear to be somewhat funky.

If it's only 2nd degree murder, oh god.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

What an utterly obtuse response. It was a simple question, it didn’t require a ponderous line of branching inquiries capped by a non-sequitur.

Wrongdoing means illegal or dishonest behavior

You can do something wrong, but it not be illegal or dishonest.

I was simply asking for clarification of what PKG was asking.

You launched off into a line of tangential questions that weren't necessary for stating your position clearly. She didn't ask you about what you thought about the other officers' culpability or about another unrelated police shooting case involving a black victim, she asked you whether you think Derek Chauvin is responsible for wrongdoing. You also could have just freely given your opinion on whether you thought it was malfeasance or misfeasance, or whether it was wrong, illegal, dishonest, or any combination of the three, or none. PGQ isn't a lawyer or judge, she probably wasn't even thinking about the legalese aspect when she asked her question.

She asked a question that included a word which typically has a certain connotation.

I know that she is neither a lawyer or judge, but I suspect that she does understand what I was asking.

Fair enough, jimrtex! So let me ask in a more specific way: do you believe that it is appropriate for Chauvin to be charged with homicide?

I'm not trying to needle you or ask you loaded questions. Yours is simply a perspective that isn't being expressed all that frequently.  

[Badger]

So do I have this right, he's being charged with 2nd degree murder in addition to 3rd degree murder? I've read some articles that say the charge has been "upgraded" and others that say he's being charged with both. I didn't think you could charge someone with two different degrees of murder for the same killing, but Minnesota's murder laws appear to be somewhat funky.

One can charge one with various degrees of murder out of the same incident. And in this case should. The jury can convicted of multiple counts, but under a Doctrine called merger the prosecution sentencing has to choose which particular account they were convicted up on which the defendant would be sentenced - - of course presumably the most serious count - - rather than him being sentenced on each individual charge.

I say he should be charged with various degrees because juries are so so so willing to give cops the benefit of the doubt even in these heinous cases. That is changing, but they are still reluctant to say that a cop was more than just freaked out and scared, Etc.

Let's get a good conviction rather than the perfect one. Beats the s*** out of an acquittal.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

For the record Mohamed Noor was charged with second degree murder and acquitted of it, but still convicted of third degree murder.

[Tender Branson]

Huge Black Lives Matter protest in Vienna right now.

More than 10.000 people (who are 99% white).







Even police cars say „Black Lives Matter“:



https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Mehr-als-10-000-bei-BlackLivesMatter-Kundgebung-in-Wien/432474290

[Tender Branson]

More pictures and videos from the huge Vienna Black Lives Matter protest:

https://twitter.com/gerhardpaleczny/status/1268589794252271617
https://twitter.com/serbinnen/status/1268592583086833669
https://twitter.com/elinemuijres/status/1268588410530340864
https://twitter.com/j_x_carter/status/1268585038888738817
https://twitter.com/julia_seidl/status/1268578207214850048
https://twitter.com/j_x_carter/status/1268585049735168001

[HisGrace]

So do I have this right, he's being charged with 2nd degree murder in addition to 3rd degree murder? I've read some articles that say the charge has been "upgraded" and others that say he's being charged with both. I didn't think you could charge someone with two different degrees of murder for the same killing, but Minnesota's murder laws appear to be somewhat funky.

The jury can convicted of multiple counts, but under a Doctrine called merger the prosecution sentencing has to choose which particular account they were convicted up on which the defendant would be sentenced - - of course presumably the most serious count - - rather than him being sentenced on each individual charge.

Alright, that makes sense, none of the news articles I'd seen actually explained how it was going to work.

I was a little worried because 2nd degree murder sounds like a tough nut to crack but I think he will be convicted of 3rd degree murder.

[Tender Branson]

Police now estimate the BLM protest crowd at ca. 50.000 or more at the Vienna Karl's Square:

https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000117877949/black-lives-matter-proteste-erreichen-wien

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/toedlicher-rassismus-solidaritaets-demo-in-wien-ist-gestartet/400931663

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

More black people have been murdered in the riots than what started the protests in the first place. I thought black lives matter?

[Frodo]

Not only are those Minneapolis cops who killed George Floyd facing charges -they may be facing being infected with the coronavirus as well:

George Floyd had tested positive for COVID-19 before his death, full autopsy reveals

Floyd's family gave the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office permission to release the full 20-page report

[Badger]

Police now estimate the BLM protest crowd at ca. 50.000 or more at the Vienna Karl's Square:

https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000117877949/black-lives-matter-proteste-erreichen-wien

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/toedlicher-rassismus-solidaritaets-demo-in-wien-ist-gestartet/400931663

I can't help it wondering, though, how many would appear there for a Muslim lives matter March?

[Progressive Pessimist]

More black people have been murdered in the riots than what started the protests in the first place. I thought black lives matter?

This isn't just about George Floyd. He was just a tipping point for the protests. This is about hundreds of years of injustice. Stop saying this, please. We get that you dislike the protests but stop with the concern trolling. You're not going to checkmate anyone.

[Crumpets]

More black people have been murdered in the riots than what started the protests in the first place. I thought black lives matter?

Donald Trump’s Toupée c. 1863: "Dozens of black soldiers were killed at the Second Battle of Fort Wagner, way more than have been killed by slaveowners this past week. I thought this was a war for emancipation?"

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

More black people have been murdered in the riots than what started the protests in the first place. I thought black lives matter?

Donald Trump’s Toupée c. 1863: "Dozens of black soldiers were killed at the Second Battle of Fort Wagner, way more than have been killed by slaveowners this past week. I thought this was a war for emancipation?"

Talk about a reach! Go and tell this to the 17 people who lost their lives so far.