Opinion of American Humanist Association?

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Why are some of our forum users down on the AHA?


Humanism is all about advancing humanity, there's nothing wrong with that sentiment.

Actually, secular humanism is all about blocking man’s growth in the Holy Spirit. It is the opposite of progressive.

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Why are some of our forum users down on the AHA?


Humanism is all about advancing humanity, there's nothing wrong with that sentiment.

Actually, secular humanism is all about blocking man’s growth in the Holy Spirit. It is the opposite of progressive.

This is an idiotic point. That's not at all what secular humanism is "about", even if you and I might feel that that's one of the effects that it has.

I'll admit that I'm habitually guilty of posting my conclusions without my thought process (largely for the purpose of provoking people). But I really do believe that the point of humanism is an obsession with "objective" measures of human progress, leading to a deterioration of men and women's inner life.

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Objectivity has it's merits. Without it you end up with this:

Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

Believe me, I am a big fan of objectivity. But when objectivity isn’t properly defined, the result is that the responsibility for determining what is objective is invested into the hands of an elite, who manipulate the masses’ hopes and dreams for the purpose of social control, while giving people license to ignore the conviction of their own personal experiences.

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Objectivity has it's merits. Without it you end up with this:

Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

Believe me, I am a big fan of objectivity. But when objectivity isn’t properly defined, the result is that the responsibility for determining what is objective is invested into the hands of an elite, who manipulate the masses’ hopes and dreams for the purpose of social control, while giving people license to ignore the conviction of their own personal experiences.

Like organised religion?

See what I did there.

I do, because I set it up for you. Give me some credit

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Perhaps my grasp on reality is slipping, but the idea of the temporal as a battleground for forces that we constantly touch but never entirely understand, is something that makes deep personal sense to me. Perhaps I haven’t yet experienced enough, or perhaps I’ve experienced too much already. Time will tell.

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What forces?

Whatever subconscious forces motivate us to do what we do, and whatever poles the sum total of our subconscious motivations are reducible to.

In life, there is going to be one camp of people telling you to keep your instincts trained and on their toes. There’s going to be another camp telling you to surrender to your instincts (while their elites use unprecedented social power and media technology to manipulate what your instincts are). I trust the former group of people; I do not trust the latter.

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You keep talking about shadowy 'elites'. Who do you think they are?

Exactly who most people think they are: those men and women of extraordinary social influence who seek to use their influence to make people passive consumers of the world around them, rather than active agents within it.

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Not that debased, I don’t think. Do you not accept the idea that knots in the stomach or a wave of nausea are often the first signs of a sudden onset of anxiety or depression? And if so, that recurring indigestion could be the cause of chronic anxiety/depression?

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I don’t have as much firsthand knowledge of what it’s like to be gay, but (and I want to be delicate here) I don’t think anyone would dispute that gay people have a history of being at the cutting edge of emerging social trends. And among certain segments of the population, being gay (and now being trans) is itself treated as a trend.

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1. Is the ability to eat and defecate without discomfort the only thing that keeps us sane and in touch with reality?

Not the only thing, someone with a stable sense of self can undergo a bit of intestinal discomfort. But someone in chronic intestinal distress is unlikely to have a stable sense of self.

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Not fully informed, as I can’t read the primary literature in its original language. But the idea that an integrated sense of self resides in an undisturbed digestive tract is something true to my own experience, confirmed by the experience of others, and increasingly proven by science.

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I believe that people who are under duress are willing to do things that distract them from their pain that they would not do if their minds and bodies were in a state of undisturbed clarity.

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The excretionary system is the end point of digestion. To find pleasure in the agitation of the excretionary system indicates an unstable personality.

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It aids and abets the agitation of one’s partner, and is thus exploitative.

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They’re of a different sort, as the former group of people don’t seek to be agitated, but the latter do.

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I suspect the elites themselves are disposed to anal sex, and want the rest of society to share their predilections.

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As history shows, those who give anal sex are more likely to be the controllers than the controlled.

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I think it’s hard to argue that there isn’t. Perhaps not consciously coordinated, but again, battleground of unconscious forces and all that.

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Be skeptical of the urge to commit anal sex and of those who promote it.

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Mopolis is aware that the prostate is an erogenous zone, right...? Like, he does know that men don't enjoy receiving anal sex Just Because...?

Strategically placed by Satan to tempt the faith of mankind, just like dinosaur fossils.

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Mopolis is aware that the prostate is an erogenous zone, right...? Like, he does know that men don't enjoy receiving anal sex Just Because...?

Strategically placed by Satan to tempt the faith of mankind, just like dinosaur fossils.

So you think Satan was working for God and not against God by tempting Man?

I’m surprised that someone as well-versed as you had never come across the Book of Job!