Opinion of American Humanist Association?

[James Monroe]

https://americanhumanist.org

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An freedom organization that is helping fight against the Christian hijab in American battlegrounds. They also believe in the principles of liberalism, as they believe in social justice for all Americans regardless of race, gender, or income level. The people who have been past recipients of their annual honorary is proof enough they are a true liberal heaven.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Admirably forthright in its sincere commitment to continuing to fight the liberal battles of the Bush era. I'm not actually being sarcastic. Didn't vote.

[James Monroe]

Admirably forthright in its sincere commitment to continuing to fight the liberal battles of the Bush era. I'm not actually being sarcastic. Didn't vote.

This organization has existed long before Georgie was even born. In fact, your comment does have an resemble of sarcasm, if you think fighting against the intoxication of Christianity into public spheres isn't something worth fighting for. Even as a Christian doesn't a organization like AHA help pushed freedom of religion, as Christians can be freely to practice their faith so long as they don't infringe on religious minorities? Trump administration shows these culture wars from the Bush era hasn't been eroded, they still exist in present form with people like Mike Pence wife school.

[James Monroe]

Why are some of our forum users down on the AHA?


Humanism is all about advancing humanity, there's nothing wrong with that sentiment.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

"Humanism" in the sense that the AHA uses the word is a specific ideology and worldview that one might think of positively, negatively, or anywhere in between, not a generic term for abstract concern for "humanity" as such. And even if it did just mean an abstract concern for humanity, that concern can be a cover for some pretty awful ideas, from eugenics to environmental Prometheanism.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Humanism makes little sense with “secular” added in front of it, regardless of what we puny humans think.

[dead0man]

Are any of our HG voters going to explain why?

[James Monroe]

Are any of our HG voters going to explain why?

[Fight for Trump]

An freedom organization that is helping fight against the Christian hijab in American battlegrounds. They also believe in the principles of liberalism, as they believe in social justice for all Americans regardless of race, gender, or income level. The people who have been past recipients of their annual honorary is proof enough they are a true liberal heaven.

Implying hijab is some symbol of oppression or religious extremism. I know plenty of secular Muslim women who wear hijab and they are not oppressed.

[Mopsus]

Why are some of our forum users down on the AHA?


Humanism is all about advancing humanity, there's nothing wrong with that sentiment.

Actually, secular humanism is all about blocking man’s growth in the Holy Spirit. It is the opposite of progressive.

[SnowLabrador]

I think they do a lot of good work. But then, I am an atheist.

[Kingpoleon]

Humanism dangerously overemphasizes the good aspects of mankind and builds itself up in a sort of mutually reassured arrogance. He who makes a religion of pride knows neither religion nor humility.

[afleitch]

As a Humanist and as someone who eventuality intends to register as a celebrant for weddings and funerals (it is now the most popular form of celebrant in Scotland) the sheer ignorance of Atlas Forum Religion and Philosophy Closed Shop to any other system of ethics and duty of care doesn't in the slightest bit surprise me. Maybe one day it might.


 

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Overall, it's a freedom group, but it is annoying how they come across as implying that believing in science and religion simultaneously is illogical. Humanism need not be atheistic.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Why are some of our forum users down on the AHA?


Humanism is all about advancing humanity, there's nothing wrong with that sentiment.

Actually, secular humanism is all about blocking man’s growth in the Holy Spirit. It is the opposite of progressive.

This is an idiotic point. That's not at all what secular humanism is "about", even if you and I might feel that that's one of the effects that it has.

[Mopsus]

Why are some of our forum users down on the AHA?


Humanism is all about advancing humanity, there's nothing wrong with that sentiment.

Actually, secular humanism is all about blocking man’s growth in the Holy Spirit. It is the opposite of progressive.

This is an idiotic point. That's not at all what secular humanism is "about", even if you and I might feel that that's one of the effects that it has.

I'll admit that I'm habitually guilty of posting my conclusions without my thought process (largely for the purpose of provoking people). But I really do believe that the point of humanism is an obsession with "objective" measures of human progress, leading to a deterioration of men and women's inner life.

[afleitch]

Objectivity has it's merits. Without it you end up with this:

Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

[Mopsus]

Objectivity has it's merits. Without it you end up with this:

Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

Believe me, I am a big fan of objectivity. But when objectivity isn’t properly defined, the result is that the responsibility for determining what is objective is invested into the hands of an elite, who manipulate the masses’ hopes and dreams for the purpose of social control, while giving people license to ignore the conviction of their own personal experiences.

[afleitch]

Objectivity has it's merits. Without it you end up with this:

Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

Believe me, I am a big fan of objectivity. But when objectivity isn’t properly defined, the result is that the responsibility for determining what is objective is invested into the hands of an elite, who manipulate the masses’ hopes and dreams for the purpose of social control, while giving people license to ignore the conviction of their own personal experiences.

Like organised religion?

See what I did there.

Really, I just want to understand what you're on about because your post on humanism and the one I quoted above was deeply offensive on a personal level and weirdly scatological ('malicious spiritual forces' invading when I make love to my husband is utterly crass) and symptomatic of someone who last lost all grasp of what is real.

[Mopsus]

Objectivity has it's merits. Without it you end up with this:

Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

Believe me, I am a big fan of objectivity. But when objectivity isn’t properly defined, the result is that the responsibility for determining what is objective is invested into the hands of an elite, who manipulate the masses’ hopes and dreams for the purpose of social control, while giving people license to ignore the conviction of their own personal experiences.

Like organised religion?

See what I did there.

I do, because I set it up for you. Give me some credit

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Perhaps my grasp on reality is slipping, but the idea of the temporal as a battleground for forces that we constantly touch but never entirely understand, is something that makes deep personal sense to me. Perhaps I haven’t yet experienced enough, or perhaps I’ve experienced too much already. Time will tell.

[afleitch]

Objectivity has it's merits. Without it you end up with this:

Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

Believe me, I am a big fan of objectivity. But when objectivity isn’t properly defined, the result is that the responsibility for determining what is objective is invested into the hands of an elite, who manipulate the masses’ hopes and dreams for the purpose of social control, while giving people license to ignore the conviction of their own personal experiences.

Like organised religion?

See what I did there.

I do, because I set it up for you. Give me some credit

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Perhaps my grasp on reality is slipping, but the idea of the temporal as a battleground for forces that we constantly touch but never entirely understand, is something that makes deep personal sense to me. Perhaps I haven’t yet experienced enough, or perhaps I’ve experienced too much already. Time will tell.

What forces?

[Mopsus]

What forces?

Whatever subconscious forces motivate us to do what we do, and whatever poles the sum total of our subconscious motivations are reducible to.

In life, there is going to be one camp of people telling you to keep your instincts trained and on their toes. There’s going to be another camp telling you to surrender to your instincts (while their elites use unprecedented social power and media technology to manipulate what your instincts are). I trust the former group of people; I do not trust the latter.

[afleitch]

What forces?

Whatever subconscious forces motivate us to do what we do, and whatever poles the sum total of our subconscious motivations are reducible to.

In life, there is going to be one camp of people telling you to keep your instincts trained and on their toes. There’s going to be another camp telling you to surrender to your instincts (while their elites use unprecedented social power and media technology to manipulate what your instincts are). I trust the former group of people; I do not trust the latter.

You keep talking about shadowy 'elites'. Who do you think they are?

And you do realise you said that indigestion can cause people to be manipulated by malicious forces. You understand how debased that is right? Assuming you're straight, what do you know more than I or any other gay person knows about sex and intimacy in those couplingd and can you see how you're taking an 'elitist' view based on some 'battleground' that you think exists but is not in any way in accordance with my instinct.

[Mopsus]

You keep talking about shadowy 'elites'. Who do you think they are?

Exactly who most people think they are: those men and women of extraordinary social influence who seek to use their influence to make people passive consumers of the world around them, rather than active agents within it.

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Not that debased, I don’t think. Do you not accept the idea that knots in the stomach or a wave of nausea are often the first signs of a sudden onset of anxiety or depression? And if so, that recurring indigestion could be the cause of chronic anxiety/depression?

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I don’t have as much firsthand knowledge of what it’s like to be gay, but (and I want to be delicate here) I don’t think anyone would dispute that gay people have a history of being at the cutting edge of emerging social trends. And among certain segments of the population, being gay (and now being trans) is itself treated as a trend.

[afleitch]

You keep talking about shadowy 'elites'. Who do you think they are?

Exactly who most people think they are: those men and women of extraordinary social influence who seek to use their influence to make people passive consumers of the world around them, rather than active agents within it.

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Not that debased, I don’t think. Do you not accept the idea that knots in the stomach or a wave of nausea are often the first signs of a sudden onset of anxiety or depression? And if so, that recurring indigestion could be the cause of chronic anxiety/depression?

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I don’t have as much firsthand knowledge of what it’s like to be gay, but (and I want to be delicate here) I don’t think anyone would dispute that gay people have a history of being at the cutting edge of emerging social trends. And among certain segments of the population, being gay (and now being trans) is itself treated as a trend.

I don't do delicate. Be direct. Explain in detail why LGBT people throughout history have been at the 'cutting edge.' I mean, they still hang from ropes in Iran and get killed in Rio. So go on. Explain.

Explain the following in detail then I'll be satisfied.

1. Is the ability to eat and defecate without discomfort the only thing that keeps us sane and in touch with reality?
2. Do you believe that "root chakra" is real and do you have a fully informed sense of what it means?
3. Do you believe that any inefficiency in digestion weakens your mind/self and do you believe that a mind in this weakened state, perhaps after some bad fish, is vulnerable to either mind control or spiritual possession?
4. In what way does receiving anal sex affect your digestive system?
5. In what way does giving anal sex affect your digestive system?
6. Are you more or less likely to have issues with your digestive system due to food and drink consumption causing indigestion, gas, the runs or due to colitis, crohns or perhaps due to a bacterial imbalance than giving/receiving anal sex?
7. Do elites know as you do that anal sex causes the greatest  imbalance and are using powers to control those who receive anal sex?
8. How are those who give anal sex controlled? How do the forces/spirits enter them?
9. Is there a co-ordinated effort to get everyone to receive anal sex so that they might be controlled?
10. What are we to do about it?