What percentage of white Americans are racist against whites?

[politicus]

There's a good discussion to be had as to why some people feel that rising diversity in the U.S. could lead to a more just society. It's not likely to arise in this thread or elsewhere on the forum.

Does that obtain for all societies, or just to what would otherwise be more white societies, or just to the US? I see no reason not to get into whatever you think won't be gone into, and do it right now.

Its generally easier to get a majority for a relatively high tax level to fund social programmes and a high level of redistribution in a homogenous society, because you are funding "your own people" and raising living standards of people "who could have been me". But whether that kind of solidarity exists between White Americans is very doubtfull, since they are such a diverse group. Still its an interesting question if a less diverse America would have been somewhat more egalitarian. At least the "unworthy" stereotypes like welfare queens etc. that have been used to stigmatize the poor are almost always portrayed as minorities.   

[DC Al Fine]

There's a good discussion to be had as to why some people feel that rising diversity in the U.S. could lead to a more just society. It's not likely to arise in this thread or elsewhere on the forum.

Does that obtain for all societies, or just to what would otherwise be more white societies, or just to the US? I see no reason not to get into whatever you think won't be gone into, and do it right now.

Its generally easier to get a majority for a relatively high tax level to fund social programmes and a high level of redistribution in a homogenous society, because you are funding "your own people" and raising living standards of people "who could have been me". But whether that kind of solidarity exists between White Americans is very doubtfull, since they are such a diverse group. Still its an interesting question if a less diverse America would have been somewhat more egalitarian. At least the "unworthy" stereotypes like welfare queens etc. that have been used to stigmatize the poor are almost always portrayed as minorities.   

Indeed. I highly doubt that Europe's recent skepticism of the welfare state and mass immigration are merely coincidental.

[rejectamenta]

So a working class neighborhood?

Precisely. I have never lived anywhere else but these sorts of communities, hence my confusion over the white = yuppie suburbanite equation, but as I said this is an issue of class.

[krazen1211]

Probably about 2 in 10 strongly support affirmative action and the other components of the war on whites.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Probably about 2 in 10 strongly support affirmative action and the other components of the war on whites.

Please explain how on Earth affirmative action is supposed to constitute a "war on whites", krazen. I've been rejected from a high school because of affirmative action - so don't try to pull the "of course you don't care, it doesn't affect you" card.

[DC Al Fine]

Probably about 2 in 10 strongly support affirmative action and the other components of the war on whites.

Please explain how on Earth affirmative action is supposed to constitute a "war on whites", krazen. I've been rejected from a high school because of affirmative action - so don't try to pull the "of course you don't care, it doesn't affect you" card.

I think he's making fun of the GOP's "War on Women"

[Torie]

I would feel more uncomfortable in an all-white neighbourhood. White people tend to be pretentious yuppies or godawful suburbanites. Who would want to be among them? Plus, most of the worst people in the world are white.

I'm not racist though, because that would imply I believe whites to be genetically inferior, but I do trust them less, and loathe them more.

No it doesn't.  This is an overly narrow view of what constitutes racism.  Like rejectamenta said, people with racist attitudes use this type of reasoning all the time to justify their racism.  "Well, I don't think it's genetic, so I'm not racist."

Simply judging people based on unfair negative stereotypes associated with their race is racist, IMHO.  That is, it's a racist attitude.  Now, whether a single racist attitude makes someone "a racist person" is another question.  How much racism do you need to be a racist?  But that's not what the thread title asks.  It asks about being racist against a group.....which one could hypothetically do without being "a racist", depending on how one defines "a racist".

Stereotypes are not meant to be all inclusive usually, but more of a tendency. So if you say, given the stereotype, odds are that X individual fits it given his tribe, is that racist? And suppose the stereotype is true - X group statistically has certain Y tendencies, more so than the population overall?  

Racist = judging someone based on the stereotype without knowing whether they, as individuals, live up to the stereotype.  E.g., a black man you've just met mentions to you that he's looking for a place to live, and you don't mention to him that the apartment that you live in has openings, because you think that he's more likely than a white man to bring crime or drugs to the building you live in, or what have you.  That is racist, yes.  It does not mean that you *hate* blacks as a collective group, or that you think they're genetically inferior or something.  But it is racist.

Clearly unfair, and intellectually lazy, and actually cruel really, but per se racist?  I don't know. I suppose yes, if having got to know the guy better, and found he is an "exception" to the stereotype, he does not change his behavior towards him.

[Old Man Svensson]

All of the ones on Tumblr.

[Mr. Morden]

I would feel more uncomfortable in an all-white neighbourhood. White people tend to be pretentious yuppies or godawful suburbanites. Who would want to be among them? Plus, most of the worst people in the world are white.

I'm not racist though, because that would imply I believe whites to be genetically inferior, but I do trust them less, and loathe them more.

No it doesn't.  This is an overly narrow view of what constitutes racism.  Like rejectamenta said, people with racist attitudes use this type of reasoning all the time to justify their racism.  "Well, I don't think it's genetic, so I'm not racist."

Simply judging people based on unfair negative stereotypes associated with their race is racist, IMHO.  That is, it's a racist attitude.  Now, whether a single racist attitude makes someone "a racist person" is another question.  How much racism do you need to be a racist?  But that's not what the thread title asks.  It asks about being racist against a group.....which one could hypothetically do without being "a racist", depending on how one defines "a racist".

Stereotypes are not meant to be all inclusive usually, but more of a tendency. So if you say, given the stereotype, odds are that X individual fits it given his tribe, is that racist? And suppose the stereotype is true - X group statistically has certain Y tendencies, more so than the population overall?  

Racist = judging someone based on the stereotype without knowing whether they, as individuals, live up to the stereotype.  E.g., a black man you've just met mentions to you that he's looking for a place to live, and you don't mention to him that the apartment that you live in has openings, because you think that he's more likely than a white man to bring crime or drugs to the building you live in, or what have you.  That is racist, yes.  It does not mean that you *hate* blacks as a collective group, or that you think they're genetically inferior or something.  But it is racist.

Clearly unfair, and intellectually lazy, and actually cruel really, but per se racist?  I don't know. I suppose yes, if having got to know the guy better, and found he is an "exception" to the stereotype, he does not change his behavior towards him.

You'd actually consider *not* calling the scenario I described racism?  Seems like a textbook example to me.  It is "discrimination or prejudice based on race".  I don't understand this narrowcasting of racism so that it only includes outright hatred, or racial nationalism.  Though maybe we need different words for the different kinds of racism.

[Person Man]

Between 0 and 20, depending on what counts as racism. There are white people that only want to marry and have children with non-whites, for example. Is that a white person being racist against a white person?

[LastVoter]

Hmm.. well, I live among non-whites, largely, but I do always 'hang out with' a few whites (mostly French).  Generally speaking I can't really tolerate hanging out with Americans anymore, no, not at all.  Germans and suchlike I can usually tolerate for a while, but hardly consistently.  I'd say its just the French for me, oddly enough.  Maybe an Australian or Brit in the mix.. outside the Asians, obviously.

It seems unlikely to me that French would choose to emigrate from such a "good" country, their residence in Thailand seems to me counter intuitive.

[opebo]

...its just the French for me, oddly enough.

It seems unlikely to me that French would choose to emigrate from such a "good" country, their residence in Thailand seems to me counter intuitive.

They like supple, smooth, brown skinned lads or lasses 10-30 years their junior...

[Person Man]

...its just the French for me, oddly enough.

It seems unlikely to me that French would choose to emigrate from such a "good" country, their residence in Thailand seems to me counter intuitive.

They like supple, smooth, brown skinned lads or lasses 10-30 years their junior...

You said there were a lot of Austrians and Germans there, right?  (Bruno Reference)

[Badger]

Probably about 2 in 10 strongly support affirmative action and the other components of the war on whites.

Please explain how on Earth affirmative action is supposed to constitute a "war on whites", krazen. I've been rejected from a high school because of affirmative action - so don't try to pull the "of course you don't care, it doesn't affect you" card.

I think he's making fun of the GOP's "War on Women"

No, that term, and indeed Krazen's dredging it up from the sewers of his mind, well predate the "War on Women" bit.

[Badger]

Probably about 2 in 10 strongly support affirmative action and the other components of the war on whites.

Contemptable. When it rains, the worms come out.

Krazen: Embarassing blue avatars by association since 2010.

[Torie]

I do sometimes wonder in my more paranoid moments as to whether krazen is a Dem mole inside the Pub tent.  

[ingemann]

Probably about 2 in 10 strongly support affirmative action and the other components of the war on whites.

Contemptable. When it rains, the worms come out.

Krazen: Embarassing blue avatars humanity by association since 2010.

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[All Along The Watchtower]

Rich educated urban whites-including open-minded,"tolerant" white liberals-tend to stereotype and dismiss poor or working-class whites, particularly rural ones, as "uneducated, ignorant hicks" who have yet to be "enlightened" like the yuppie class has been. Then they wonder why a growing number of the people they hold in contempt are voting Republican (although not at the same rate as rich whites, FWIW).

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

*snip*

1.  I know full-blooded Irish guys who are darker than you are.

2.  Toomey is a member of the Congressional Hispanic Conference.

3.  Being half-Portuguese does not make one a "Hispanic."  I am more of a Mestizo than you are.  As others have noted, check out which continent Portugal is on.  Also note that if we're doing the whole whiteness-as-blood-guilt thing that the Portuguese are responsible for way more than their fair share of slavery and genocide of native peoples.

Guilty?  I've done nothing wrong.  I would just rather not be one of them.  If the face of the white man ceases to be a spoiled, entitled, racist, paranoid baby... hey, maybe I won't be so embarrassed to be associated. 

That said... I'm not making any argument that I am not genetically white... I most certainly am.  I'm just saying a POLICY of the U.S. Census Bureau allows me to call myself Hispanic if I so please.  So... why not?  I already told you it's pretty funny to me.