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« Reply #375 on: October 11, 2020, 09:36:48 AM »

I really wonder how he'd be doing if he'd stayed a McCain-style maverick rather than turning into a Trump bootlicker.

He may not have survived a primary, or would have had a much tougher primary challenge, if he had remained a McCain-style maverick. That's precisely why he flip-flopped.
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« Reply #376 on: October 11, 2020, 09:42:55 AM »

For a state of that size this gets close to the amount of money where it actually becomes hard to work out just what to do with it.

In recent years, some Democratic campaigns that have been overwhelmed with an unspendable amount of cash have used it to continue providing healthcare and other benefits to campaign staff until they find new jobs after the cycle. I know that Heitkamp's campaign did this.

Also 100% possible for the candidate to keep the money in the bank and hold it for their re-election campaign or future federal race.
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« Reply #377 on: October 11, 2020, 10:35:47 AM »

I really wonder how he'd be doing if he'd stayed a McCain-style maverick rather than turning into a Trump bootlicker.

Graham is chairman of Judiciary Cmittee

Every person that becomes chairman of the Judiciary Cmittee turns to party politics, Specter voted for Alito and Clarence Thomas and he was Ranking Member or Chairman of Judiciary Cmittee. Grassley got Kavanaugh thru. So, it's not likely even if McCain was alive that he would have been mavericky, at any rate the only thing Graham and McCain would push would be stimulus, everything else would be the same with Ukraine Biden. Both impeached Bill Clinton and investigation of Benghazi Hillary, due to closeness to Pence rather than Trump
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« Reply #378 on: October 11, 2020, 11:24:04 AM »

For a state of that size this gets close to the amount of money where it actually becomes hard to work out just what to do with it.

That amount of money also will being allowling them to raise a sh**t ton more; on top of being able to do really creative things with digital ads & also frankly you can play around a lot. And it's worth remembering they get cheaper TV ads too compared to SUPER-PACs.

I'd go full boomer & start putting up billboards by the road.
As a South Carolinian, I can confirm that he has already put up billboards.
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« Reply #379 on: October 11, 2020, 11:34:55 AM »

Even if Harrison doesn't win, we ought to commend him for making inroads--even if Graham is just a particularly detestable person. This feels similar to Beto's run against Ted Cruz but even Cruz didn't flounder at every turn the way Lindsey has...
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« Reply #380 on: October 11, 2020, 12:20:02 PM »

Even if Harrison doesn't win, we ought to commend him for making inroads--even if Graham is just a particularly detestable person. This feels similar to Beto's run against Ted Cruz but even Cruz didn't flounder at every turn the way Lindsey has...

Yeah, the difference seems that Cruz was still a potent opponent. Graham has truly been flailing for weeks now.
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« Reply #381 on: October 11, 2020, 12:24:22 PM »

Even if Harrison doesn't win, we ought to commend him for making inroads--even if Graham is just a particularly detestable person. This feels similar to Beto's run against Ted Cruz but even Cruz didn't flounder at every turn the way Lindsey has...

Every dollar the GOP has to invest in SC-SEN is a race they can't invest in NC-SEN
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« Reply #382 on: October 11, 2020, 12:24:57 PM »

Even if Harrison doesn't win, we ought to commend him for making inroads--even if Graham is just a particularly detestable person. This feels similar to Beto's run against Ted Cruz but even Cruz didn't flounder at every turn the way Lindsey has...

Cruz actually ran a half decent campaign. I have no clue what Graham is doing.
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« Reply #383 on: October 11, 2020, 01:59:35 PM »

Even if Harrison doesn't win, we ought to commend him for making inroads--even if Graham is just a particularly detestable person. This feels similar to Beto's run against Ted Cruz but even Cruz didn't flounder at every turn the way Lindsey has...

Cruz actually ran a half decent campaign. I have no clue what Graham is doing.

Cruz had an amazing data analytic team in 2016 and he brought it again in 2018. He didn't take the senate race standing down
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« Reply #384 on: October 11, 2020, 03:28:15 PM »

I really wonder how he'd be doing if he'd stayed a McCain-style maverick rather than turning into a Trump bootlicker.
He would’ve lost, likely to John Warren (conservative businessman who came in second for the Gubernatorial primary in 2018)
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« Reply #385 on: October 11, 2020, 04:28:51 PM »
« Edited: October 11, 2020, 04:50:31 PM by UWS »

Oh my God! What a point, Graham just raised. As he indicated in the most recent senate debat forum, two days ago, if the Democrats take control of the Senate, Bernie Sanders would be in line to be Chairman of the Budget Committee, which means a vote for Jaime Harrison is a vote for a socialist agenda imposing massive wasteful spending, raising job-killing taxes by trillions of dollars, making America dependent on foreign energy and banning fracking, which would be a disaster for the economy.

We can watch this from 35:32 to 35:50 of this video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K39Emjp4wJ0

Graham also mentionned that if the Republicans keep the Senate he would be the next Budget Committee Chairman, making the choice clear for South Carolinians between either socialist take-over of the budget and of Americans' money or a pro-growth agenda creating jobs through free enterprise, small government and tax reform.

That should be helpful for Graham in order to mobilize conservative voters, including fiscal conservatives, across South Carolina and convince them not to stay home on Election Day.
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« Reply #386 on: October 11, 2020, 04:31:21 PM »

Even if Harrison doesn't win, we ought to commend him for making inroads--even if Graham is just a particularly detestable person. This feels similar to Beto's run against Ted Cruz but even Cruz didn't flounder at every turn the way Lindsey has...
SC is more polarized than TX. So the fact Harrison is making it this close is amazing.
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« Reply #387 on: October 11, 2020, 04:51:33 PM »

Oh my God! What a point, Graham just raised. As he indicated in the most recent senate debat forum, two days ago, if the Democrats take control of the Senate, Bernie Sanders would be in line to become the next Chairman of the Budget Committee, which means a vote for Jaime Harrison is a vote for a socialist agenda imposing massive wasteful spending, raising job-killing taxes by trillions of dollars, making America dependent on foreign energy and banning fracking, which would be a disaster for the economy.

We can watch this from 35:32 to 35:50 of this video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K39Emjp4wJ0

Graham also mentionned that if the Republicans keep the Senate he would be the next Budget Committee Chairman, making the choice clear for South Carolinians between either socialist take-over of the budget and of Americans' money or a pro-growth agenda creating jobs through free enterprise, small government and tax reform.

That should be helpful for Graham in order to mobilize conservative voters, including fiscal conservatives, across South Carolina and convince them not to stay home on Election Day.

It also could easily motivate low-propensity youth voters on the left to vote for Harrison when they might not have before. I really think Republicans are gonna regret putting all their eggs in the "socialism" basket. Looking at opinion data, it seems to be making socialism more, not less popular lol
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« Reply #388 on: October 11, 2020, 05:04:14 PM »

I think it's a good point for people who already pay close attention to internal Senate politics, but most people don't know the complexities of how committee chairmanships work. I don't think this line will change much.
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« Reply #389 on: October 11, 2020, 05:39:19 PM »

Oh my God! What a point, Graham just raised. As he indicated in the most recent senate debat forum, two days ago, if the Democrats take control of the Senate, Bernie Sanders would be in line to be Chairman of the Budget Committee, which means a vote for Jaime Harrison is a vote for a socialist agenda imposing massive wasteful spending, raising job-killing taxes by trillions of dollars, making America dependent on foreign energy and banning fracking, which would be a disaster for the economy.

We can watch this from 35:32 to 35:50 of this video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K39Emjp4wJ0

Graham also mentionned that if the Republicans keep the Senate he would be the next Budget Committee Chairman, making the choice clear for South Carolinians between either socialist take-over of the budget and of Americans' money or a pro-growth agenda creating jobs through free enterprise, small government and tax reform.

That should be helpful for Graham in order to mobilize conservative voters, including fiscal conservatives, across South Carolina and convince them not to stay home on Election Day.

This reads like a GOP spam email.

Nobody actually cares
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« Reply #390 on: October 11, 2020, 05:48:35 PM »


LMAO
Claire McCaskill, is that you?

Southern Republicans used to do this all the time. The Democratic nominee would be some white guy and then a GOP operative would discreetly get some black local politician to run an independent campaign. It would force the Democrat to more overtly appeal to the black vote, splitting the Democratic vote and causing the laws of Southern political physics to kick in and incite more white people to vote for the Republican.

In this case, it's not even Democratic malfeasance. It's just a disgruntled right-wing nut who waited too long to get his name taken off the ballot.
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« Reply #391 on: October 11, 2020, 07:53:55 PM »

The Kandering continues.
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« Reply #392 on: October 11, 2020, 08:12:26 PM »

Oh my God! What a point, Graham just raised. As he indicated in the most recent senate debat forum, two days ago, if the Democrats take control of the Senate, Bernie Sanders would be in line to be Chairman of the Budget Committee, which means a vote for Jaime Harrison is a vote for a socialist agenda imposing massive wasteful spending, raising job-killing taxes by trillions of dollars, making America dependent on foreign energy and banning fracking, which would be a disaster for the economy.

We can watch this from 35:32 to 35:50 of this video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K39Emjp4wJ0

Graham also mentionned that if the Republicans keep the Senate he would be the next Budget Committee Chairman, making the choice clear for South Carolinians between either socialist take-over of the budget and of Americans' money or a pro-growth agenda creating jobs through free enterprise, small government and tax reform.

That should be helpful for Graham in order to mobilize conservative voters, including fiscal conservatives, across South Carolina and convince them not to stay home on Election Day.

This will surely sink the Harrison campaign. Oh god, the issue on everyone's mind during these tough times, who will be the successor of Mike Enzi to the position of Chair of the Senate Budget Committee. This issue, so potent will render everyone completely oblivious to the economy, COVID, and state of our nation. Sanders, the undisputed embodiment of the Democratic Party will bring the party in this crucial race
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« Reply #393 on: October 11, 2020, 08:13:38 PM »

Oh my God! What a point, Graham just raised. As he indicated in the most recent senate debat forum, two days ago, if the Democrats take control of the Senate, Bernie Sanders would be in line to be Chairman of the Budget Committee, which means a vote for Jaime Harrison is a vote for a socialist agenda imposing massive wasteful spending, raising job-killing taxes by trillions of dollars, making America dependent on foreign energy and banning fracking, which would be a disaster for the economy.

We can watch this from 35:32 to 35:50 of this video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K39Emjp4wJ0

Graham also mentionned that if the Republicans keep the Senate he would be the next Budget Committee Chairman, making the choice clear for South Carolinians between either socialist take-over of the budget and of Americans' money or a pro-growth agenda creating jobs through free enterprise, small government and tax reform.

That should be helpful for Graham in order to mobilize conservative voters, including fiscal conservatives, across South Carolina and convince them not to stay home on Election Day.

This will surely sink the Harrison campaign. Oh god, the issue on everyone's mind during these tough times, who will be the successor of Mike Enzi to the position of Chair of the Senate Budget Committee. This issue, so potent will render everyone completely oblivious to the economy, COVID, and state of our nation. Sanders, the undisputed embodiment of the Democratic Party will bring the party in this crucial race

Anyone who pretends to care about this should have to name the current chairman of the Senate Budget Committee.
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« Reply #394 on: October 11, 2020, 08:30:26 PM »

Oh my God! What a point, Graham just raised. As he indicated in the most recent senate debat forum, two days ago, if the Democrats take control of the Senate, Bernie Sanders would be in line to be Chairman of the Budget Committee, which means a vote for Jaime Harrison is a vote for a socialist agenda imposing massive wasteful spending, raising job-killing taxes by trillions of dollars, making America dependent on foreign energy and banning fracking, which would be a disaster for the economy.

We can watch this from 35:32 to 35:50 of this video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K39Emjp4wJ0

Graham also mentionned that if the Republicans keep the Senate he would be the next Budget Committee Chairman, making the choice clear for South Carolinians between either socialist take-over of the budget and of Americans' money or a pro-growth agenda creating jobs through free enterprise, small government and tax reform.

That should be helpful for Graham in order to mobilize conservative voters, including fiscal conservatives, across South Carolina and convince them not to stay home on Election Day.

This will surely sink the Harrison campaign. Oh god, the issue on everyone's mind during these tough times, who will be the successor of Mike Enzi to the position of Chair of the Senate Budget Committee. This issue, so potent will render everyone completely oblivious to the economy, COVID, and state of our nation. Sanders, the undisputed embodiment of the Democratic Party will bring the party in this crucial race

Anyone who pretends to care about this should have to name the current chairman of the Senate Budget Committee.

If you know who that is, you've made up your mind
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« Reply #395 on: October 11, 2020, 09:08:05 PM »

Oh my God! What a point, Graham just raised. As he indicated in the most recent senate debat forum, two days ago, if the Democrats take control of the Senate, Bernie Sanders would be in line to be Chairman of the Budget Committee, which means a vote for Jaime Harrison is a vote for a socialist agenda imposing massive wasteful spending, raising job-killing taxes by trillions of dollars, making America dependent on foreign energy and banning fracking, which would be a disaster for the economy.

We can watch this from 35:32 to 35:50 of this video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K39Emjp4wJ0

Graham also mentionned that if the Republicans keep the Senate he would be the next Budget Committee Chairman, making the choice clear for South Carolinians between either socialist take-over of the budget and of Americans' money or a pro-growth agenda creating jobs through free enterprise, small government and tax reform.

That should be helpful for Graham in order to mobilize conservative voters, including fiscal conservatives, across South Carolina and convince them not to stay home on Election Day.

This will surely sink the Harrison campaign. Oh god, the issue on everyone's mind during these tough times, who will be the successor of Mike Enzi to the position of Chair of the Senate Budget Committee. This issue, so potent will render everyone completely oblivious to the economy, COVID, and state of our nation. Sanders, the undisputed embodiment of the Democratic Party will bring the party in this crucial race

Anyone who pretends to care about this should have to name the current chairman of the Senate Budget Committee.

If you know who that is, you've made up your mind

I consider myself to be quite knowledgeable politically, and I didn't even know who the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee was until reading these posts. If I didn't know, then why would anyone expect the general public to know? This is not an issue that's going to help Graham.
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« Reply #396 on: October 11, 2020, 09:23:51 PM »

That's a brilliant strategy by the Harrison campaign.  Lindsey Graham has flip flopped so many times on so many issues, Harrison could just use different quotes and videos of Graham in different targeted advertising.

1) Use right wing quotes from Lindsey to drive up liberal base voters and black voters in certain areas

2) Use video footage of Graham attacking Trump in conservative areas of the state

3) Use videos that highlight Graham's flip flopping and total lack of self-dignity in educated parts of the state and suburbs like Charleston.
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« Reply #397 on: October 11, 2020, 09:42:21 PM »

Very glad to see my "stop donating to meme candidates who don't have a chance in hell" speech aged poorly here.
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« Reply #398 on: October 11, 2020, 09:56:43 PM »

Very glad to see my "stop donating to meme candidates who don't have a chance in hell" speech aged poorly here.

He’s run a great campaign, but $57m is still way too much. That would be better spent on GA, TX and further downballot races. If state legislative candidates got these kinds of fundraising boosts, control of chambers could flip as a result and this could often provide better pathways to certain progressive changes than narrow control of a compromised federal government.
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« Reply #399 on: October 11, 2020, 11:46:41 PM »

Very glad to see my "stop donating to meme candidates who don't have a chance in hell" speech aged poorly here.

If Harrison donated half of that $57M to Al Gross and the other half to Steve Bullock we'd be all-but-guaranteed to flip those two seats.

Not to hate on Jaime, who is awesome, or his fantastic campaign.  Just that the sudden competitiveness of this race doesn't justify massive donations to Jaime at the expense of other candidates.
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