🇩🇪 German elections (federal & EU level)

[Horus]

Yuck. Looks like Canada and Germany are both big on terrible, center right status quos. Hoping Scholz can still pull it off.

[Yeahsayyeah]

All these takes... My brain hurts...

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Hans-Georg Maaßen, the controversial right-wing CDU candidate in South Thuringia, is in third place right now in his district:

https://wahlen.thueringen.de/datenbank/wahl1/wahl.asp?wahlart=BW&wJahr=2021&zeigeErg=WK&wknr=196

Current first vote:
Ulrich (SPD) 31.0 %
Treutler (AfD) 24.0 %
Maaßen (CDU) 23.2 %

He doesn't have a list spot.

Bye Felicia

Third place behind the AfD.
Ouch.

[Lechasseur]

Yuck. Looks like both Canada and Germany are both big on terrible, center right status quos. Hoping Scholz can still pull it off.

I wouldn't call the Liberal Party centre-right, they're clearly centre to centre-left

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

as i thought, grand coalition remain, this time with spd prime-minister chancellor.

My gut feeling is apprehending the same... 😟

[Blair]

Can people please not import their political ideologies into this thread please?

And if you’ve never taken an interest in German politics please, like me, come to this thread to learn, rather than make a fool of yourself.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Updated ARD exit

24.7% Union 155+43 Seats
24.9% SPD 197 Seats
14.8% Green 117
11.3% AfD 89
11.2% FDP 88
5% Linke 40

24.7% Union 154+44 Seats
24.9% SPD 197 Seats
14.6% Green 115
11.7% FDP 92
11.1% AfD 88
5% Linke 39
x% SSW 1

So it basically boils down to whether Scholz can nail the Greens\alliance to pledge to only join a coalition led by the SPD and pressuring the FDP to join? otherwise with time the green will drift towards a Jamaica set up?

Unlikely.

Well, the Greens' co-leader Robert Habeck was still open to Jamaica just some minutes ago, as long as the next government is a "climate government".

Jamaica will definitely be an anti-climax govenment

Who knows? Some kind of common ground should be possible on paper.

[Horus]

Yuck. Looks like both Canada and Germany are both big on terrible, center right status quos. Hoping Scholz can still pull it off.

I wouldn't call the Liberal Party centre-right, they're clearly centre to centre-left

They run on the center left but govern on the center to center right. Similar to American Democrats.

[brucejoel99]

Updated ARD exit

24.7% Union 155+43 Seats
24.9% SPD 197 Seats
14.8% Green 117
11.3% AfD 89
11.2% FDP 88
5% Linke 40

An another indication of an Americanization of German elections:

Will the 2021 federal election turn into a 2016 US election? 🤔
The SPD might receive the most second votes while the Union could pickup more seats (thanks to overhang and leveling seats for the CSU.)
It would be extremely funny and ironic if the SSW seat (an SPD ally) was going to tip the scale.

I thought the leveling seats were assigned based on national results? Was the law changed since last time?

Hahahaha, Many users complain about this, but in Canadian elections "The popular vote doesn't matter in a parliamentary system," okay.

What?

Pretty sure you didn't see a lot of support for FPP in the Canada thread...

If you weren't there in the Canada thread on election night, Serg conflates acknowledgement of the status-quo with support for the status-quo to weakly "accuse" supporters of electoral reform of hypocrisy. Nevermind the obvious irony.

[Astatine]

AKK is on track to lose Saarbrücken. She is way behind in Saarbrücken City and only narrowly leads in her hometown Püttlingen. It's pretty much over for her.

Linke in Saarland collapsed to 5 % after more than 12 % in the last federal elections.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Updated ARD exit

24.7% Union 155+43 Seats
24.9% SPD 197 Seats
14.8% Green 117
11.3% AfD 89
11.2% FDP 88
5% Linke 40

An another indication of an Americanization of German elections:

Will the 2021 federal election turn into a 2016 US election? 🤔
The SPD might receive the most second votes while the Union could pickup more seats (thanks to overhang and leveling seats for the CSU.)
It would be extremely funny and ironic if the SSW seat (an SPD ally) was going to tip the scale.

I thought the leveling seats were assigned based on national results? Was the law changed since last time?

Hahahaha, Many users complain about this, but in Canadian elections "The popular vote doesn't matter in a parliamentary system," okay.

What?

Pretty sure you didn't see a lot of support for FPP in the Canada thread...

If you weren't there in the Canada thread on election night, Serg conflates acknowledgement of the status-quo with support for the status-quo to weakly "accuse" supporters of election reform of hypocrisy. Nevermind the obvious irony.

Especially ironic for someone with a blue avatar, but enough about this clown. We probably shouldn't let him pollute the thread.

[brucejoel99]

AKK is on track to lose Saarbrücken. She is way behind in Saarbrücken City and only narrowly leads in her hometown Püttlingen. It's pretty much over for her.

Linke in Saarland collapsed to 5 % after more than 12 % in the last federal elections.

Can she get in on a list spot?

[Lechasseur]

AKK is on track to lose Saarbrücken. She is way behind in Saarbrücken City and only narrowly leads in her hometown Püttlingen. It's pretty much over for her.

Linke in Saarland collapsed to 5 % after more than 12 % in the last federal elections.

Not surprised. I actually think the Union would probably be doing worse right now than they already are had she stayed on as leader.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Hans-Georg Maaßen, the controversial right-wing CDU candidate in South Thuringia, is in third place right now in his district:

https://wahlen.thueringen.de/datenbank/wahl1/wahl.asp?wahlart=BW&wJahr=2021&zeigeErg=WK&wknr=196

Current first vote:
Ulrich (SPD) 31.0 %
Treutler (AfD) 24.0 %
Maaßen (CDU) 23.2 %

He doesn't have a list spot.

Bye Felicia

Third place behind the AfD.
Ouch.

Frank Ullrich is a former biathlete, who won the Olympic gold medal in 1980 (for the GDR).
Schleswig-Holstein's education minister Karin Prien (CDU) publicly endorsed him over her party colleague Hans-Georg Maaßen.

[Astatine]

AKK is on track to lose Saarbrücken. She is way behind in Saarbrücken City and only narrowly leads in her hometown Püttlingen. It's pretty much over for her.

Linke in Saarland collapsed to 5 % after more than 12 % in the last federal elections.

Can she get in on a list spot?

Yes, it seems like she is in because the SPD overperforms a lot in Saarland thanks to the collapse of Die Linke and Greens not running. Maas is also ahead of Altmaier.

[parochial boy]

ARD now has SPD 0,6% up and largest party.

Someone find the "it's happening" gif

[Oryxslayer]

Updated ARD exit

24.7% Union 155+43 Seats
24.9% SPD 197 Seats
14.8% Green 117
11.3% AfD 89
11.2% FDP 88
5% Linke 40

24.7% Union 154+44 Seats
24.9% SPD 197 Seats
14.6% Green 115
11.7% FDP 92
11.1% AfD 88
5% Linke 39
x% SSW 1

25.2% SPD 200 Seats
24.6% Union 153+45 Seats
14.3% Green 113
11.6% FDP 92
10.8% AfD 86
5% Linke 40
x% SSW 1

Fixed

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

How are direct seats in BW likely to go?

[urutzizu]

Before we even get to Berlin, Linke already doing very well in Leipzig II, and over performing the list vote by 8% with 71/301 counted. I can't see how they fail to get the 3 mandates, even if under 5%.

https://wahlergebnis.leipzig.de/4/bt2021/14713000/praesentation/ergebnis.html?wahl_id=3&stimmentyp=0&id=ebene_-5_id_85

[Antonio the Sixth]

Looks like every updated projection gets better for the SPD. They've probably got this. FDP also going up, and Greens and AfD are going down.

[Horus]

Looks like every updated projection gets better for the SPD. They've probably got this. FDP also going up, and Greens and AfD are going down.

Still no chance of an SPD-FDP-Linke coalition?

[Lechasseur]

Looks like every updated projection gets better for the SPD. They've probably got this. FDP also going up, and Greens and AfD are going down.

Still no chance of an SPD-FDP-Linke coalition?

There never was one. FDP and Die Linke are just absolutely incompatible.

[soundchaser]

Looks like every updated projection gets better for the SPD. They've probably got this. FDP also going up, and Greens and AfD are going down.

Still no chance of an SPD-FDP-Linke coalition?

They wouldn’t have the seats. (Among other problems. But such a hypothetical is all but mathematically eliminated.)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Looks like every updated projection gets better for the SPD. They've probably got this. FDP also going up, and Greens and AfD are going down.

Still no chance of an SPD-FDP-Linke coalition?

Please learn anything about German politics before you post again. Please.

[Horus]

Looks like every updated projection gets better for the SPD. They've probably got this. FDP also going up, and Greens and AfD are going down.

Still no chance of an SPD-FDP-Linke coalition?

There never was one. FDP and Die Linke are just absolutely incompatible.

Lindner and Wissler both seem young, cool and full of new ideas. Was hoping they could put together some kind of libertarian socialist coalition.