DC Unrest Megathread

[Badger]

Hilarious to see the humiliation of the American political elite, the Senate chamber overrun and pathetic politicians cowering in fear.

A few things of note, it is funny how the left always presents itself as the revolutionary vanguard, but the street power of the left merely amounts to burning down random shops, it is the right which is clearly the revolutionary force, storming Congress, note how banks supported the BLM riots but put out statements condemning the march on Congress, shows who the real revolutionary faction is and who the establishment is.

Secondly one must note how funny it is to see American diplomats etc who crow about how it is democracy whenever some random country who happens to oppose America has its parliament stormed by people now say the people who stormed Congress were traitors etc. The reputation damage to America will be real, its hypocrisy has been fully shown in reality.

You're posting quality has always been sh**tty, but this is a new low even for you. Congratulations!

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/mepfuller/status/1347072023005163522?s=21

lmao, I’m not a small fry, I’m like 5’10 and 180 lbs of stockiness, and you can see Allred dwarfs me, Allred deffo would have won

Well Harris, you smarmy piece of s***, you and your ilk are Liars.

I would have paid big money to see former NFL player Allred smash Harris's face open like a rotten grapefruit with one punch on the house floor.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/mepfuller/status/1347072023005163522?s=21

lmao, I’m not a small fry, I’m like 5’10 and 180 lbs of stockiness, and you can see Allred dwarfs me, Allred deffo would have won

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Well Harris, you smarmy piece of s***, you and your ilk are Liars.

I would have paid big money to see former NFL player Allred smash Harris's face open like a rotten grapefruit with one punch on the house floor.

Encouraging violence is not the answer. You're better than this, Badger.

Fwiw. From reading this statement I took it that Paris was instigating the fight with Allred. Some slight to his honor or the like, blah blah blah.

In which case, if Harris wants to pick a fight over being called a liar when he undoubtedly is, I fully salute Congressman Allred seeking to end that fight picked by Harris most expeditiously and thoroughly.

TL;dr version, fighting back in self-defense is not inciting violence, and it's frankly long overdue.

[Badger]

I just heard Tim Ryan being interviewed on our local NPR station. He is of course the chair of the committee that oversees the Capitol Police Department. He had words of praise for the Department saying they were simply outmanned, but castigated the fact that the Capitol Police were over also unprepared and understaffed given all the advance warning of incitement that Donald Trump has committed over the last several months.

What shocked me was news I had not yet her. Reportedly there are 40 to 50 officers injured out of this, 15 of whom were hospitalized, one of whom is in critical condition after being beaten with pipes!

[Badger]

I guess the fundamental question is what would have happened if this had been the white house?

I think the question is: What if this had been well-organized? If that had been the case, it realistically could have been a successful coup d’état. Democracy came frighteningly close to breaking down.

This is exactly right. What if this had been an organized, violent attack? What if these people had opened fire? Exactly how much would they have been able to do?

By all accounts, this was absolutely an organized attack. This was no more spontaneous than 9/11. And worse than the Capitol Police, the FBI and similar domestic counter-intelligence / terrorism units were caught with their pants down around their ankles to wear an attack involving literally thousands of known violent extremist could be organized on mass like this without them picking it up.

Some heads need to roll at the FBI and / or NSA.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/CliffAYoung/status/1347192288800370688

Frightening that it's only 51%

You misspelled pathetic.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/CliffAYoung/status/1347192288800370688

Frightening that it's only 51%

36% of Americans-obviously the most hardcore elements of Trump's base-are opposed to his removal from office. That is alarming, but not surprising, unfortunately. It matches what has traditionally been the floor for major-party support in previous presidential elections; Landon, Goldwater, and McGovern, for example, did not drop below that percentage in their failed runs.

Landon, Goldwater, and McGovern did not actively Insight violent resistance and take over the American government when they lost their elections! If the world had any justice in it, this number should be in the single digits. Hell, even Nixon's approval rating trunk as low as 24% during the height of Watergate which, as awful an abuse of Presidential Power that was, pales in comparison to what Trump has done.

Enough talk about so-called polarisation. Polarization implies there are two equally and increasingly Divergent opposites. The Republican Party has been responsible from 90 to 99% of the growing extremism and one sided on their part polarization in this country.

Oh, what's that you say? A minority faction of the Democrats supports medicare-for-all and a vague environmental proposal called The Green New Deal? Shock and horror! Such radicalism! Come back to me when our party has a plurality support for an attempted violent takeover of Congress and stopping a lawful presidential election! THAT'S extremism! And the self-identified Democratic socialists that comprise about a tenth of the Democratic Congressional Delegation doesn't. Remotely. Begin. To. Compare!

[Badger]

Trump has been band by Facebook indefinitely. I imagine Twitter will follow their lead.

https://twitter.com/Kantrowitz/status/1347209358531198979?s=20

Zuckerberg can eat sh**t. NOW is the time that it got too dangerous for democracy?

What about other countries where these strategies (some even worse) are constantly used by far-right leaders? Are they gonna do something about this too or is the special treatment just with US when they’re about to have a rupture with democracy?

Honestly, go f*** yourself Zucky. It’s not one miserable account that needs to be blocked, but YOUR entire sh**tty social media, which has been by far the worst of all when it comes to dealing with the spread of fake news and political radicalization. End Facebook immediately.

If I end you mean invoke major antitrust Provisions against it, absolutely.

However, it is ironically Converse that right-wingers and Trump fans are currently abandoning Facebook in massive droves to sign up for parler, due to Facebook supposedly being too heavy handed in restricting "free speech" by clamping down on BS conspiracy theories and other blatant misinformation.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/CliffAYoung/status/1347192288800370688

Some of those 39% of Republicans only say it was an attempted coup cause they think that’s a good thing

Something else dawned on me about these polls. Based on public opinion polls apparently under estimating support for Trump both in this past election + 4 years ago, there's a decent likelihood such support for yesterday's violence is actually somewhat higher.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/CliffAYoung/status/1347192288800370688

Frightening that it's only 51%

36% of Americans-obviously the most hardcore elements of Trump's base-are opposed to his removal from office. That is alarming, but not surprising, unfortunately. It matches what has traditionally been the floor for major-party support in previous presidential elections; Landon, Goldwater, and McGovern, for example, did not drop below that percentage in their failed runs.

Landon, Goldwater, and McGovern did not actively Insight violent resistance and take over the American government when they lost their elections! If the world had any justice in it, this number should be in the single digits. Hell, even Nixon's approval rating trunk as low as 24% during the height of Watergate which, as awful an abuse of Presidential Power that was, pales in comparison to what Trump has done.

Enough talk about so-called polarisation. Polarization implies there are two equally and increasingly Divergent opposites. The Republican Party has been responsible from 90 to 99% of the growing extremism and one sided on their part polarization in this country.

Oh, what's that you say? 8 minority faction of the Democrats supports medicare-for-all and a vague environmental proposal called The Green New Deal? Shock and horror! Such radicalism! Come back to me when our party has a plurality support for an attempted violent takeover of Congress and stopping a lawful presidential election! THAT'S extremism! And the self-identified Democratic socialists that comprise about a tenth of the Democratic Congressional Delegation doesn't. Remotely. Begin. To. Compare!

Like you did yesterday, I think you're overreacting and misinterpreting what I am saying. The point I was trying to make is that each Party and each President enjoys a hard floor of support, which not even the worst of events-such as yesterday's attack on the U.S. Capitol-will shake. Now, Nixon and W. Bush saw their approval ratings sink much further than Trump's has, and that, unfortunately, is a sign of polarization. But they still had millions of Americans who approved of them. No matter what is done, or what is said, some people just aren't going to be swayed from those views, even if such views are worthy of universal condemnation.

Calthrina, my friend, please don't misinterpret my statements as an attack on you, or even necessarily entirely disagreeing with your posts. Consider this post a mere point of Distinction.

 And when I was addressing the hypothetical Republican yammering on about radical Democrats in my post, that was certainly not addressed to you. But rather to Trump supporters in general, of which I know you are not one, as well as the mythical Trump supporter who has frankly been living in my head the last 24 hours. Ditto for my previous post.

No offense intended.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1347219326890336262
First leader to propose this other than McGovern right?

So if Schumer is putting this out there, does that mean he knows Pelosi is ready to kick the tires on it in the House? I assume they must be coordinating their messaging on this.

Of course the big question here, where is Pence on this?

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/CliffAYoung/status/1347192288800370688

Some of those 39% of Republicans only say it was an attempted coup cause they think that’s a good thing

Something else dawned on me about these polls. Based on public opinion polls apparently under estimating support for Trump both in this past election + 4 years ago, there's a decent likelihood such support for yesterday's violence is actually somewhat higher.

Their opinions are irrelevant, in my opinion. We shouldn't try to accommodate delusional terrorists in acting to secure and defend our republic. They can register their frustration with how we pursued the coupsters in upcoming off-year and midterm elections, after we've passed the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act.

Yes and no. These radical anti American bastards should not be accommodated, no. However, the problem is they are not a small minority. They are a huge portion of the electorate which is potentially sufficient to take Congress due to the Senate's disproportionate lean towards smaller more rural States plus widespread Republican gerrymandering of House districts originating out of the 2010 midterm wave, and/or winning the presidency through an electoral college majority even while losing the PV by a tangible margin.

 It's not that their views need accommodating, it's that there's enough of them that they are a major threat.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/mepfuller/status/1347072023005163522?s=21

lmao, I’m not a small fry, I’m like 5’10 and 180 lbs of stockiness, and you can see Allred dwarfs me, Allred deffo would have won

It looks like Allred was actually the peacemaker, and it was between Harris and Lawson (according to https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/no-dallas-rep-colin-allred-wasn-e2-80-99t-involved-in-a-near-scuffle-on-house-floor-during-count-of-electoral-college-votes/ar-BB1cyHrh). Lawson and others (including Allred?) had apparently formed a chain to protect Connor Lamb during his speech since some Republicans (including Harris?) were aggressively approaching Lamb. Lawson is a 6'7 former pro basketball player.

Nothing in the article about the Republicans aggressively approaching lamb, but rather yammering to remove his statements from the record.

BTW, High-5 to Conor lamb for calling out the Congressional Republicans who facilitated the Riot by supporting and repeating Trump's lies and incitements. The poor little snowflakes just couldn't handle Conor's serving up a hot steaming plate of reality to them.

[Badger]

Capitol police has charged the following 14 people in relation with yesterday's events:


Unlawful Entry:
Leonard Guthrie, Cape May, N.J.
John Anderson, St. Augustine, Fla.
Matthew Council, Riverview, Fla.
Bradley Ruskelas, Inverness, Ill.
Michael Curzio, Summerfield, Fla
Cindy Fitchett, Cobbs Creek, Va.
Terry Brown, Myerstown, Pa.
Douglas Sweet, Hudgins, Va.
Thomas Gallagher, Bridgewater, N.H.
Zandra Sixkiller-Cramer, Glenwood, Md.

Assaulting a Police Officer, Unlawful Entry, Resisting Arrest:
Mark Leffingerwell, No fixed address

CPWL & Unregistered ammunition:
Grant Moore, Buford, Ga.

CPWL, Unregistered Firearm, Unregistered Ammunition:
Lonnie Zoffman, Falkville, Al.

Assaulting a Police Officer:
David Blair, Clarksburg, Md.

That is so weak...unlawful entry...are you kidding me? You think if this had been a band of Muslims forcing themselves into Capitol Hill yelling Allahu Akbar that they would be charged with f***ing unlawful entry? You think if this had been Antifa or BLM, they would have been charged with unlawful entry??

Utterly crazy.

These people should be charged with terrorism or treason.

If Muslim extremists or BLM activists attempted this, they would have been shot, not charged.

[Badger]

A very strong Trump supporting friend of mine (since 2015) this afternoon:

"I hate the Democrats and what they stand for with a passion, but I guess I've come to the conclusion that we need to just cut this guy off.  He's dead weight."

Asked if he would support Cheeto in 2024, he said: "No.  Stick a fork in him.  He's done."

Quite a turnaround from what I heard 5 years ago when he said that Donald Trump was the best thing to happen to America in its history (!).

One by one, even the most hardcore conservatives are beginning to realize they have nothing to gain anymore with this clown.

Great. Now ask him if he'll support any of the nearly 200 Republican members of Congress, or any of the other governors or politicians around the come tree, who encouraged and joined Trump in his lies and incitement over losing the election? Especially if one of them happens to be the party's nominee in 2024 like Hawley or Cruz.

It's easy to be a freedom fighter over Trump and express that type of distancing when he's only got two weeks left as a lame duck president. Let's see if your friend has this type of Profiles in Courage going on a year or two from now. I frankly suspect most of these fair weather friends of democracy we'll go back to enabling the GOP machine of which Trump is more a symptom than the cause of what happened yesterday.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/mepfuller/status/1347072023005163522?s=21

lmao, I’m not a small fry, I’m like 5’10 and 180 lbs of stockiness, and you can see Allred dwarfs me, Allred deffo would have won

It looks like Allred was actually the peacemaker, and it was between Harris and Lawson (according to https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/no-dallas-rep-colin-allred-wasn-e2-80-99t-involved-in-a-near-scuffle-on-house-floor-during-count-of-electoral-college-votes/ar-BB1cyHrh). Lawson and others (including Allred?) had apparently formed a chain to protect Connor Lamb during his speech since some Republicans (including Harris?) were aggressively approaching Lamb. Lawson is a 6'7 former pro basketball player.

Nothing in the article about the Republicans aggressively approaching lamb, but rather yammering to remove his statements from the record.

BTW, High-5 to Conor lamb for calling out the Congressional Republicans who facilitated the Riot by supporting and repeating Trump's lies and incitements. The poor little snowflakes just couldn't handle Conor's serving up a hot steaming plate of reality to them.

Thats a different article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tallahassee-congressman-al-lawson-reportedly-involved-in-us-capitol-floor-altercation/ar-BB1cyNiF (I saw this in another place too, but I cant find it now).

Of course they did. It wasn't enough that their incited Army of thugs failed smash Pelosi and her caucus, they were ready to physically take it out on the floor. Even after what happened only hours before!!

Harris needed chin checked, as does anyone who threatens the rule of democracy and the workings of our legislative bodies. Which now apparently includes a majority of Republicans.

Oh, but we shall see tbe good little Republicans shedding crocodile tears over this and trying to lay all the blame at Trump's feet now that he's politically irrelevant ,  but inevitably crawl back in a year or two when the midterms come around and this is ancient history. My goodness! Biden actually attempted a government takeover of our Healthcare System by passing a public option!! I mean, I'm not in favor of ending American democracy as we know it, but I need to vote for the same Republicans who also incited that riot to fight SOCIALISM!!!

I wish I were wrong. But as soon as the party snaps its fingers back you'll say, well, that was all just a problem with Trump, wasn't it? And since he's gone everything is now a A-OK! All the while conveniently Ignoring the vast majority of it's congressmen, Senators, Governors, and large majority of party officials Across the Nation who loudly and unreservedly backed and repeated Trump's lies and incitements that led to yesterday's tragedy. You'll cut them a break though once Trump is no longer relevant to whether or not Republicans actually maintain power though, won't you?

Go on you new found Republican friends of democracy. Prove. Me. Wrong. I will repost this in the future to remind you.

[Badger]

I guess she isn't going to do the 25th Amendment?

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1347248284138614789?s=20

Coward. Doesn't want to expose her hubby to the political Fallout of having to take a stand for basic American principles of democracy.

[Badger]

I guess she isn't going to do the 25th Amendment?

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1347248284138614789?s=20

Coward. Doesn't want to expose her hubby to the political Fallout of having to take a stand for basic American principles of democracy.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1347253540960530433

Not leaving until Monday, leaves the option available if needed.

Is there any distinction between a member of the cabinet and an acting member of the cabinet as far as the 25th Amendment goes? I'm assuming there's no precedent on the matter, so you'd basically have to get everyone on board to make it as clear as possible before Trump inevitably tries to sue to stay in power.

The Amendments language specifically says the principal officers of the executive departments oh, so that would seem to include any acting secretaries.

[Badger]

Jacobin Magazine telling its readers to get out on the street
The Republican insurrection will fail. Long live the Republic!

Yeah, thats the spirit. Exactly what our country needs right now: more wing nuts in the streets looking for trouble.

And in case anyone has missed it: WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC THAT HAS STEADILY GOTTEN WORSE. Thousands of people a day are dying. Get back inside, Trump is gone in 2 weeks.

If Biden supporters attend the the inauguration as is fully there right, they need to be armed and prepared to defend themselves from the proud boys thugs you have shown all too much empathy towards

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https://twitter.com/RaquelNPhoto/status/1347010671087546368

Just horrifying.

Because some mod just deleted my post suggesting that members of this literal lynch-mob were worthy of death as "inappropriate", let me make it more clear. I sincerely wish that a good armed individual had been there to exercise their complete legal right of Defense of others and, considering the imminent  lethal threat  manifested by a Lynch Mob of 20  angry rioters beating this woman, mowed these people down, as the law permits.

They deserved to die for their actions, legally and morally.

[Badger]

TR whatever is a far Right poster masquerading as left btw

Double reason to dislike him. On to ignore he goes!

[Badger]

Regardless of what happens - anyone have a growing anxiety of inevitable violence because of how far the QAnon theories and bullsh**t have gone?

I'm sickened to say that I'm just naturally a Republican, and I want to think the party has a future outside of Trump, but that future must not involve destroying our country over his loss.

If you remain a Republican, you are complicit.

I will amend this slightly. If you do not dedicate yourself 110% 2, 4, 8 years from now towards fighting the Spectre of trumpism and all it represents out of the Republican party, yes, you are complicit.

It's neat and Dandy after yesterday to not defend Trump and throw him under the bus when he's politically irrelevant and not important to Republicans staying in power.

But unless you have one of the handful of Republicans like say Mike dewine, Mitt Romney oh, Nancy mace, Etc who have never encouraged and repeated Trump's patently unmistakably false claims about election fraud and incitements to direct Hands-On action what do you do then? Are you ready to vote against your Congressman, your Senator your Governor, your attorney general if they repeated and abetted Trump in the same falsehoods and insightful claims'?

If not, all Republicans like you mean by getting past Trump is surviving the pr disaster the next 14 days, and then voting for someone just as utterly disrespectful and willing to sacrifice democracy if it suits their ends. Do that, you got my respect. Don't, you are as noted every bit as complicit is Trump.

THAT'S what " getting the Republican Party past Trump" really means. It's not just rejecting Donald Trump himself over the next two weeks. That's easy as pie. It's fighting to reject TrumpISM over the coming years. And yes, that means if your face with the choice of voting for one of the many many Republicans who were as bad as Trump in repeating the constant false election fraud narrative and encouraging his incitements, and God forbid voting for a Democrat, unless that Republican has had a complete public epiphany that backing Trump on this was wrong wrong wrong and regret ever doing it, if you don't support that Democrat then your professed desire to "get the party past Trump". Is just so much hot air.

[Badger]

Imagine thinking a block party is comparable to an attempted coup.

Imagine thinking a "block party" involves "four shootings, two deaths, arson, and several alleged sexual assaults."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/2/21310109/chop-chaz-cleared-violence-explained

Dude, according to bgw aah, a longtime prior poster here now on a ad, who lives there, that was only a bit above the normal crime rate for that neighborhood during any given month.

It was not a good idea, and I'm glad the SPD retook the streets because even he as a die-hard leftist said it was getting real old real fast, but let's put things in to proper context.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1347311739344400384

Hard to feel sorry for them. They knew who they were going to work for.

Amen.

[Badger]

Finally a real concession; I'm surprised. Or at least close as we'll ever get.

I refuse to watch his video.  What does he say, in the way of concession?

No claims he still won, just that he was "protecting democracy" with his legal challenges and then says, "a new administration will be inaugurated January 20th.  My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power."

F*** him, and f*** any one super monthly and forgives him or 80% of a Republican party over this. Call this a day late dollar short is a million miles short.