Does the Jesus Christ Party have an effective monopoly over Atlasian politics?

[bullmoose88]

This thread was started due to a disconnect in ideological alignment. You are correct in criticizing Marokai's flawed analysis, as is Xahar.

BTW, Rob, you need to be more active.

How would you have the atlasian political world align?

[Хahar 🤔]

This thread was started due to a disconnect in ideological alignment. You are correct in criticizing Marokai's flawed analysis, as is Xahar.

BTW, Rob, you need to be more active.

How would you have the atlasian political world align?

He said he would have an ACA, NLC, SDP, and CDP.

[Sewer]

Wasn't Friz an Ebowed sock account?

Friz is not a sock.

Funny that you would use the present tense.

Why?

[Alexander Hamilton]

This thread was started due to a disconnect in ideological alignment. You are correct in criticizing Marokai's flawed analysis, as is Xahar.

BTW, Rob, you need to be more active.

How would you have the atlasian political world align?

Essentially by reviving the old NLC base... consisting of economic centrists and social liberals/libertarians. A party for people like you & I, and Mr. Moderate & AndrewCT, Einzige and Mechaman, Franzl, etc. We could all work together in one party with our common ideology.

A social democratic party for people like Ebowed, Marokai, MaxQue, Barnes, etc.

A conservative party for DWTL, officepark, NC Yankee.

A "populist" party for benconstine, HW, Tmth, MJ, Dave Hawk.

[big bad fab]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

As very often, Smid speaks the truth.

And, for my part, I'm not a Morgan Tsvangirai.

[Marokai Backbeat]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

You might have done better if the candidate on the top of your ticket didn't suck.

[Rob]

BTW, Rob, you need to be more active.

Thanks. I may be in the future, but I don't think now is the best time.

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

That's kind of a major difference. Actually, it ruins the entire analogy.

[Alexander Hamilton]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

You might have done better if the candidate on the top of your ticket didn't suck.

Would Smid at the top have done any better? He certainly would not have gotten some votes PiT got. And Smid is a great guy and one of the most well-liked in Atlasia. There was never a chance and you know it.

[Scam of God]

This thread was started due to a disconnect in ideological alignment. You are correct in criticizing Marokai's flawed analysis, as is Xahar.

BTW, Rob, you need to be more active.

How would you have the atlasian political world align?

Essentially by reviving the old NLC base... consisting of economic centrists and social liberals/libertarians. A party for people like you & I, and Mr. Moderate & AndrewCT, Einzige and Mechaman, Franzl, etc. We could all work together in one party with our common ideology.

A social democratic party for people like Ebowed, Marokai, MaxQue, Barnes, etc.

A conservative party for DWTL, officepark, NC Yankee.

A "populist" party for benconstine, HW, Tmth, MJ, Dave Hawk.

Concurred and endorsed.

[Marokai Backbeat]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

You might have done better if the candidate on the top of your ticket didn't suck.

Would Smid at the top have done any better? He certainly would not have gotten some votes PiT got. And Smid is a great guy and one of the most well-liked in Atlasia. There was never a chance and you know it.

The whole election was bungled on the right and you know that. MJ was initially the candidate and AndrewCT, former and then again present DA member, the bottom of the ticket. MJ then went MIA and Andrew was dropped from the ticket, and the RPP nominated a losing candidate that had bad enough common sense to associate with you and your backroom deals in which you tried offering Al cabinet positions. Smid at the top of the ticket would've been an improvement, but not screwing it up from the start would've helped.

[Хahar 🤔]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

That's kind of a major difference. Actually, it ruins the entire analogy.

Aye. It reminds me of Singapore, actually.

[Alexander Hamilton]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

You might have done better if the candidate on the top of your ticket didn't suck.

Would Smid at the top have done any better? He certainly would not have gotten some votes PiT got. And Smid is a great guy and one of the most well-liked in Atlasia. There was never a chance and you know it.

The whole election was bungled on the right and you know that. MJ was initially the candidate and AndrewCT, former and then again present DA member, the bottom of the ticket. MJ then went MIA and Andrew was dropped from the ticket, and the RPP nominated a losing candidate that had bad enough common sense to associate with you and your backroom deals in which you tried offering Al cabinet positions. Smid at the top of the ticket would've been an improvement, but not screwing it up from the start would've helped.

Those back room deals weren't mine. I never spoke to Al. I simply told PiT to try and get the LNF vote. Yes, I did attempt to take the fall later because PiT said he was going to leave the forum forever, but of course I regret it now that I see the real PiT.

[Scam of God]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

That's kind of a major difference. Actually, it ruins the entire analogy.

Aye. It reminds me of Singapore, actually.

Or Japan before the last election: one Party rule owing to mass apathy.

[big bad fab]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

As very often, Smid speaks the truth.

And, for my part, I'm not a Morgan Tsvangirai.

I juist hope that Hamilton, in his clever analysis on Atlasia, will now concentrate on JCP (and DA), after having essentially piled on the PCP-RPP in the last weeks.

We'll see if the so-called "social democratic" "consensus" (no, more an old European socialist bias) will tolerate it as easily as it has tolerated Hamilton's action during the last month....

[Alexander Hamilton]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

As very often, Smid speaks the truth.

And, for my part, I'm not a Morgan Tsvangirai.

I juist hope that Hamilton, in his clever analysis on Atlasia, will now concentrate on JCP (and DA), after having essentially piled on the PCP-RPP in the last weeks.

We'll see if the so-called "social democratic" "consensus" (no, more an old European socialist bias) will tolerate it as easily as it has tolerated Hamilton's action during the last month....

To be fair, Fab, the RPP has done nothing but sh**ttalk me since I left. Why would I have anything favorable to say about them? Party members are fleeing as fast as possible.

[Marokai Backbeat]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

As very often, Smid speaks the truth.

And, for my part, I'm not a Morgan Tsvangirai.

I juist hope that Hamilton, in his clever analysis on Atlasia, will now concentrate on JCP (and DA), after having essentially piled on the PCP-RPP in the last weeks.

We'll see if the so-called "social democratic" "consensus" (no, more an old European socialist bias) will tolerate it as easily as it has tolerated Hamilton's action during the last month....

To be fair, Fab, the RPP has done nothing but sh**ttalk me since I left.

Well, they do that to everyone.

[Scam of God]

I juist hope that Hamilton, in his clever analysis on Atlasia, will now concentrate on JCP (and DA), after having essentially piled on the PCP-RPP in the last weeks.

You people have it coming, because you people offer nothing better. I speak for a goodly amount of the forum libertarians when I say that the time for alliance is done. Fusionism is dead, and we largely want nothing more to do with you.

[Smid]

This thread was started due to a disconnect in ideological alignment. You are correct in criticizing Marokai's flawed analysis, as is Xahar.

BTW, Rob, you need to be more active.

How would you have the atlasian political world align?

Essentially by reviving the old NLC base... consisting of economic centrists and social liberals/libertarians. A party for people like you & I, and Mr. Moderate & AndrewCT, Einzige and Mechaman, Franzl, etc. We could all work together in one party with our common ideology.

A social democratic party for people like Ebowed, Marokai, MaxQue, Barnes, etc.

A conservative party for DWTL, officepark, NC Yankee.

A "populist" party for benconstine, HW, Tmth, MJ, Dave Hawk.

Yes, this would make sense - basically a party for each of the four quadrants, although the left/left social democrat party would still be strongest.

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

That's kind of a major difference. Actually, it ruins the entire analogy.

Aye. It reminds me of Singapore, actually.

Yes, that's probably more accurate - or like Japan's 50-year government (that finally fell this year).

EDIT - oh, I see Einzige beat me to it.

[Scam of God]

This thread was started due to a disconnect in ideological alignment. You are correct in criticizing Marokai's flawed analysis, as is Xahar.

BTW, Rob, you need to be more active.

How would you have the atlasian political world align?

Essentially by reviving the old NLC base... consisting of economic centrists and social liberals/libertarians. A party for people like you & I, and Mr. Moderate & AndrewCT, Einzige and Mechaman, Franzl, etc. We could all work together in one party with our common ideology.

A social democratic party for people like Ebowed, Marokai, MaxQue, Barnes, etc.

A conservative party for DWTL, officepark, NC Yankee.

A "populist" party for benconstine, HW, Tmth, MJ, Dave Hawk.

Yes, this would make sense - basically a party for each of the four quadrants, although the left/left social democrat party would still be strongest.

But tremendously weakened, certainly.

[bgwah]

And you indict the whole Atlasian left for not joining the JCP in the summer of 2008? Let me explain something to you.

Imagine that, during the period in which the Southeast was an RPP fief, the regional Senate seat fell vacant. Consequently, AHDuke99 appointed an utter zombie, who never posted outside Atlasia and never posted in Atlasia, except to vote however Fluffy was voting. Then, suppose that a conservative-libertarian candidate decided to run for Senate, but did not join the RPP because he disliked this practice and disapproved of zombies. Suppose that the zombie Senator won, and proceeded to spend 4 more months doing nothing.

That is what the JCP did. The RPP would never at its peak have dreamed of doing that. It got to the point where one Senator-elect resigned immediately after being elected on the grounds that she would be a horrible Senator. And you blame us for this?

Hahaha. Now that's what I call revisionist history.

Perhaps those are your views now, Xahar, but they were not in 2008. May I remind everyone of Cookies & Milk? You engaged in the exact same tactics as the JCP, Xahar.

You're just mad because you lost. You're a poor sport. This happened nearly two years ago. You need to grow up and get over it. Seriously.

The JCP no longer engages in Friz-like tactics. I lead by example, I feel no need to make some lame apology. You only "changed" when you were caught red-handed hacking someone's account (a crime for which you should have been banned from this website permanately).

I know you're just going to gloss over all of my main points, Xahar. You always do. Because you know I'm right. Go ahead and keep crying like a baby. That's all you know how to do.

[Хahar 🤔]

*gloss gloss gloss*

There's a rather interesting disconnect between what you say and what Marokai says you think.

[big bad fab]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

As very often, Smid speaks the truth.

And, for my part, I'm not a Morgan Tsvangirai.

I juist hope that Hamilton, in his clever analysis on Atlasia, will now concentrate on JCP (and DA), after having essentially piled on the PCP-RPP in the last weeks.

We'll see if the so-called "social democratic" "consensus" (no, more an old European socialist bias) will tolerate it as easily as it has tolerated Hamilton's action during the last month....

To be fair, Fab, the RPP has done nothing but sh**ttalk me since I left. Why would I have anything favorable to say about them? Party members are fleeing as fast as possible.

Please notice that I just say: "attack the other ones like you've attacked the RPP", not "stop your attacks on the RPP".

Because the RPP is down, because all the moderates are out (almost...), because it's becoming too easy to attack the RPP.
Let's see if the same in-depth attacks on the JCP would be received with a big silence of complicity and hidden satisfaction: because, now, towards the dying RPP, you are just doing the work of the JCP. Not more.

That's why I hope your cleverness will be used throughout the scene....

[Scam of God]

It reminds me a little of Zimbabwe... there is an opposition, there are elections, but realistically, only one party is going to win. The difference is that Zimbabwe's elections aren't free and fair, but the result is still the same.

As very often, Smid speaks the truth.

And, for my part, I'm not a Morgan Tsvangirai.

I juist hope that Hamilton, in his clever analysis on Atlasia, will now concentrate on JCP (and DA), after having essentially piled on the PCP-RPP in the last weeks.

We'll see if the so-called "social democratic" "consensus" (no, more an old European socialist bias) will tolerate it as easily as it has tolerated Hamilton's action during the last month....

To be fair, Fab, the RPP has done nothing but sh**ttalk me since I left. Why would I have anything favorable to say about them? Party members are fleeing as fast as possible.

Please notice that I just say: "attack the other ones like you've attacked the RPP", not "stop your attacks on the RPP".

Because the RPP is down, because all the moderates are out (almost...), because it's becoming too easy to attack the RPP.
Let's see if the same in-depth attacks on the JCP would be received with a big silence of complicity and hidden satisfaction: because, now, towards the dying RPP, you are just doing the work of the JCP. Not more.

That's why I hope your cleverness will be used throughout the scene....

We're not doing the work of the JCP. We're trying to right two historical wrongs - the merging of libertarianism with conservatism, and the melding of the old Socialism represented by the likes of Al with the new Liberalism of the JCP. Both of these things should not co-exist with the other.

[bgwah]

*gloss gloss gloss*

There's a rather interesting disconnect between what you say and what Marokai says you think.

In the spirit of Einzige...

Concession accepted.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Thank you, fab, but rather interestingly, the JCP has cooled its attacks on me and I've been working on my relationships with everyone who has shown interest or I've reached out to.

I wish to be free from attacks, and if so, will not attack. Marokai has not been vicious with me tonight as he used to be, and that is because we have worked out a lot of the hate and moved toward simple disagreement. This is a mindset I wish to bring to everyone, but egos get in the way.