Does the Jesus Christ Party have an effective monopoly over Atlasian politics?

[Scam of God]

The JCP has held the Presidency for thirteen months now. They have had four Presidents elected out of their ranks, serving a total of five terms (two half-terms included). They have been the majority Party for two Senatorial terms. Atlasia is now effectively a social-democracy. I think the evidence is overwhelming: there is no effective opposition to them. They are the de facto Party of Atlasia.

And why? Surely it is through no quality of their own - they are relatively mediocre, all things considered; the only thing obscuring their factionalism is the utter discord inherent within the ranks of their opponents.

This, of course, must be the answer: they have no real opposition. The RPP is a joke. The DA, noble as it is, can offer no real competition, and largely accepts the existence of the JCP's social-democratic consensus.

Again, I argue this is the inevitable result of the present Party System: the "conservatives" are vague and ill-defined, and contain a motley mixture of clashing interests and ideologies. See how easily Tmthforu94 bolted the RPP, with many followers in tow. And why? Because the RPP did not serve his ideological niche. Likewise the ARC.

I don't offer any answers; you'd inevitably reject the one I do. Still, it's worth pondering.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Yes, and it will continue to do so until egos are toppled. I'd much more quickly vote for a bullmoose or a Bacon King than a DWTL or NC Yankee.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

[HappyWarrior]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

[Scam of God]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

And it would be successful. Imagine. You, Tmth, benconstine, MasterJedi, Al and then some other less prominent... It would serve a purpose.

Likewise, a party containing myself, Einzige, Franzl, bullmoose, even Hashemite.. An NLC-like party would make a great addition.

[Хahar 🤔]

For now? Yes, as did the NLC before it. This is not unusual.

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

And it would be successful. Imagine. You, Tmth, benconstine, MasterJedi, Al and then some other less prominent... It would serve a purpose.

Likewise, a party containing myself, Einzige, Franzl, bullmoose, even Hashemite.. An NLC-like party would make a great addition.

Why wouldn't Al be in the socialist party?

[Alexander Hamilton]

Al's social conservatism is better suited to that party, in my view, but I'm sure he could fit comfortably in either.

[Scam of God]

For now? Yes, as did the NLC before it. This is not unusual.

Ah, but the NLC only had three - rather admittedly long - Presidential terms among them, and hadn't close to the lasting impact of the JCP.

[bgwah]

It would be amusing if everyone in 2004 could view this thread with magical future-seeing goggles.

[Alexander Hamilton]

It would be amusing if everyone in 2004 could view this thread with magical future-seeing goggles.

Those were funny times.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Yes, we hold such a monopoly over Atlasian politics that we hold the amount of Senators in fair proportion to our membership numbers and that we we won the June election by one vote in a disputed election, which we originally expected to lose.

Honestly, everyone needs to stop whining about the JCP. Find good candidates (like not nominating vote whores and then a losing candidate) and you can defeat us just fine.

We do well because we're not run by crazy party dictators (Bgwah has a decidedly laid-back style) or lashing out at every other party.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I remain convinced that if those of economic centrism and social libertarianism joined together, we could compete.

[HappyWarrior]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

[Хahar 🤔]

We do well because we're not run by crazy party dictators (Bgwah has a decidedly laid-back style) or lashing out at every other party.

News to me. Especially the parenthetical part.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

Do you speak for AndrewCT circa-early October?

[Marokai Backbeat]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

Well you guys do very well given the size of your party.

We do well because we're not run by crazy party dictators (Bgwah has a decidedly laid-back style) or lashing out at every other party.

News to me. Especially the parenthetical part.

Then perhaps you should have an open mind. It's not hard to realize. You're a little biased given your past interactions with the party, with all due respect. Most JCP-haters are.

[HappyWarrior]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

Do you speak for AndrewCT circa-early October?

What do you mean?

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

Do you speak for AndrewCT circa-early October?

What do you mean?

I mean the things that high-ranking DA members said to/about him.



The DA does well because of the JCP though. The LNF or ARC would do just as well if the JCP picked us. Basically the same success rate of any party that chooses to ride on the JCP's coattails.

[Хahar 🤔]

We do well because we're not run by crazy party dictators (Bgwah has a decidedly laid-back style) or lashing out at every other party.

News to me. Especially the parenthetical part.

Then perhaps you should have an open mind. It's not hard to realize. You're a little biased given your past interactions with the party, with all due respect. Most JCP-haters are.

And have I no reason to be?

Atlasia as a whole must not become like the Pacific.

[HappyWarrior]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

Do you speak for AndrewCT circa-early October?

What do you mean?

I mean the things that high-ranking DA members said to/about him.



The DA does well because of the JCP though. The LNF or ARC would do just as well if the JCP picked us. Basically the same success rate of any party that chooses to ride on the JCP's coattails.

We ride no ones coattails.  Our candidates win because they are good candidates.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Everyone knows the JCP could win all five regional seats in February if they had smart leadership.

[Scam of God]

The DA does well because of the JCP though. The LNF or ARC would do just as well if the JCP picked us. Basically the same success rate of any party that chooses to ride on the JCP's coattails.

Which is essentially true, and what I meant by this:

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The DA, while a fine organization that I once considered joining, is, basically, a me-too Party. And while I like a vast majority of its members on a personal level, I don't know that it, as an entity, can really offer any but token resistance to the JCP.

[Marokai Backbeat]

The DA also gets plenty of outside support from like-minded people in or formerly from the RPP, Hamilton. They are not our slaves, nor will we ever treat them like the RPP has.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

Do you speak for AndrewCT circa-early October?

What do you mean?

I mean the things that high-ranking DA members said to/about him.



The DA does well because of the JCP though. The LNF or ARC would do just as well if the JCP picked us. Basically the same success rate of any party that chooses to ride on the JCP's coattails.

We ride no ones coattails.  Our candidates win because they are good candidates.

How are the DA candidates any better than Al or Lewis? Why aren't the so-called "leftists" in the JCP supporting their ideological brothers. It's simple. The DA is the JCP's little brother and until the party system is destroyed, this will be a continued entrenchment.