Virginia Mega Thread: The Youngkin Administration

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> No mention of Northam polling at +3 in 2017
> No mention of CA or how badly pundits and pollsters botched it

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1448648916199608328

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It will be so funny when this ends up being a McAuliffe +1-2 victory and both Democratic and Republican hacks on here have egg on their face.

and what happens if it's a strong McAuliffe win? Will you have egg on your face?

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https://twitter.com/evamckend/status/1448638085244276738

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https://twitter.com/terrymcauliffe/status/1448499318676131842?s=21

This sh**t should be in commercials day in and day out.

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Perfect.

https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1448735446838697989

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I guess Biden will be in VA before 10/29 then

https://twitter.com/karentravers/status/1448654616283861009

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Meanwhile, in things that matter far more to Virginia that Donald Trump:

The loudon story is getting worse, and there are rumblings NYT has an expose article in the works

https://mobile.twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1448760311750791169

Yeah what we're not going to do is perpetuate DailyWire.com postings here

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Yeah McDonald makes no sense. Both of those early vote tweets clearly show that Dems are outvoting Reps about 2:1 in the EV. One is just the total amount and the other is the Total TURNOUT %.

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Pundit media still trying to make T-Mac's "parents shouldn't get involved in what teachers teach" somehow a gaffe.

Still not sure how that was a gaffe since again, most rational people, Dem OR Rep, would agree that parents need to generally butt out and let teachers teach.

Also, of course, despite Youngkin making a gaffe by allowing Trump to do that call in rally this week, the main focus here is a weeks old quote from T-Mac.

The "liberal media" at it again. They want this race to be close so badly.

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1449359793437782019

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Pundit media still trying to make T-Mac's "parents shouldn't get involved in what teachers teach" somehow a gaffe.

Still not sure how that was a gaffe since again, most rational people, Dem OR Rep, would agree that parents need to generally butt out and let teachers teach.

Also, of course, despite Youngkin making a gaffe by allowing Trump to do that call in rally this week, the main focus here is a weeks old quote from T-Mac.

The "liberal media" at it again. They want this race to be close so badly.

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1449359793437782019

You would think so, but both my anecdotal experience and the polls say that's not the case. Unless you're going to be very strict about what counts as a "rational" person I guess, but some otherwise not entirely stupid people at least do seem to think this these days. All part of there being more and more helicopter parents who want to butt in to every part of their kids' lives these days I guess, and can't stand the idea of someone else influencing them or god forbid the kids think for themselves and develop independently of their parents.

My mom is a teacher and she would definitely disagree with you guys. She thinks parents should be more involved in their kids education

This is where there is nuance to what Terry said, and this whole argument. There is a difference between parents being involved in their kids education, and what they do at school, and then the other side, which is parents wanting books banned and literally telling teachers what to teach and what they shouldn't be teaching (and the whole CRT debate).

What I'm saying is most people would agree with the first point. The debate is about the ~25% of parents who are the crazy ones who are going to school board meetings and telling teachers they shouldn't be teaching X, Y, and Z, and that they are 'indoctrinating' children.

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I knew this forum was full of upper-class white college kids who don't have families but damn I was not expecting Terry's anti-parental involvement quote to be spun into a positive.

The issue is that it's being taken to mean something that it doesn't. Again, most parents would agree with not being so involved with school as *telling* teachers *what to teach*. Being involved with your child's education is completely different than what is happening now with some of these parents who are trying to tell teachers what to do day in and day out.

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The Republican Party stands for the same things in Virginia, Florida, Texas, Wisconsin, you name it. Why should Democrats vote for someone who will run down their public services, pander to the racists in their policies, deny women the right to choose, do nothing about climate change, and even try to rig the system so Democrats are unfairly disadvantaged? It's different when in cases like Maryland and Louisiana, the minority party actually tries to reflect the views of their state and avoid the stuff people hate from their party. However, there's no reason for people who didn't support Trump to support Youngkin. Frankly, polarisation isn't a bad thing, people should be consistent and vote their views up and down the ballot. The problem is that the American political system is poorly designed so that it's far too hard for either party to get a fair chance to win full control and then do what they promise.

That's not a problem; it's the way our system was designed.  It was designed to require major changes to come through CONSENSUS, not through the Tyrrany of the Majority.

As for the upcoming race, I'll say this:  McAuliffe does not have much personal popularity.  He almost lost to Ken Cuccinelli in 2013, and Cuccinelli was given up on by the National GOP.  McAuliffe is a slight fave and he should be, but he's very much vulnerable, and he does not have the kind of personal popularity to overcome a massive GOP wave should there be one.

Not sure what his personality popularity in 2013 before he won the first time has to do with his personal popularity 8 years later after serving an entire term as gov.

Also according to the Fox poll, he IS the most popular person in the entire bunch between the two parties.

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McAuliffe is kind of a Democratic Trump.  Fairly moderate on an actual policy level, but constantly having personal scandals and putting his foot in his mouth.

Haven't seen any of that this entire campaign? (and no, the teachers/parents thing does not count)

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This article provides literally zero proof that the GOP message on education is or isn't working with Suburban moderates. If anything, the few legitimate data points it includes points to no. But let's not get in front of the narrative we're trying to achieve!

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1449755843403124739

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This article provides literally zero proof that the GOP message on education is or isn't working with Suburban moderates. If anything, the few legitimate data points it includes points to no. But let's not get in front of the narrative we're trying to achieve!

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1449755843403124739

What narrative?

It's an interesting article about that [VA] GOP sees education as an opening. Further, the article says, that GOP will use it nationally, if it will have worked in VA election. The article doesn't claim, it will work, they say, GOP thinks it might work.

You should stop "unskewing" articles 

Youngkin could be an example for Republicans to use in next year's congressional midterm elections.

“If Youngkin is able to improve his margins in suburbs that have gone from red to blue over the past decade in Virginia, we could see this used as a blueprint in the midterms in certain place," she added.

Let's just even start with the tweet - "Virginia Republicans have found an issue that unites their fractious base without turning off the suburban moderates they need to win statewide: education."

That is not true. Where is the evidence of this? It doesn't say "Virginia Republicans THINK they have found..." - it says it as a matter of fact, which is not - and this article provides no tangible evidence that Suburban voters are being swayed by this topic.

In fact, the entire article is predicated on this notion that is literally debunked ALSO in the article - that T-Mac is winning parents by nearly double digits!

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This article provides literally zero proof that the GOP message on education is or isn't working with Suburban moderates. If anything, the few legitimate data points it includes points to no. But let's not get in front of the narrative we're trying to achieve!

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1449755843403124739

MS-13 all over again

https://wamu.org/story/17/10/23/gillespie-northam-ms-13-gang-matters-virginia-voters/

So, Youngkin and other Republicans are supposed to win now because right wingers keep crashing school board meetings to use as a platform to display conspiratorial, bonkers beliefs?

Exactly... this entire narrative is bonkers given the fact that most suburban moderates probably see this crazy nutbags crashing school board meetings with their talk of "indoctrination" and "CRT" and think they're crazy.

Yet Politico, NBC, and other outlets want us to believe that those crazies are doing things that perfectly align with the suburban moderates who have trended away from the GOP for being so extreme.

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The bottom line is that CRT is not a real thing that is taught in nearly any public schools across the country, and yet here we are as the GOP as commandeered another fake scandal that has no basis in reality.

There is no need for Dems to "disavow" CRT because IT'S NOT A REAL THING THAT'S BEING TAUGHT.

My god. This is a PERFECT example of how the GOP always controls the narrative, especially the mainstream press, and then has them do their bidding for them.

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Why are there no articles about VA Republicans being exhausted or tired? Why is the negative narrative always placed on the Democrats?

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1450049792562933760

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The bottom line is that CRT is not a real thing that is taught in nearly any public schools across the country, and yet here we are as the GOP as commandeered another fake scandal that has no basis in reality.

There is no need for Dems to "disavow" CRT because IT'S NOT A REAL THING THAT'S BEING TAUGHT.

My god. This is a PERFECT example of how the GOP always controls the narrative, especially the mainstream press, and then has them do their bidding for them.

This. I teach in a >90% school in Macon, GA and haven’t once heard a mention of CRT outside of the political news cycle. You’d think with our demographic breakdown, my school and district would do something with it.

Yep. My father is a teacher in the Philly suburbs, and it's the same thing - if this was not a part of the news cycle, no one would even know about it because it's not a real thing that's taught.

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Morning Consult has Biden approval at 48/49 for Sept. 14-Oct. 13, 2021.

https://morningconsult.com/2021/10/18/biden-approval-rating-virginia-gubernatorial-race/

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Morning Consult has Biden approval at 48/49 for Sept. 14-Oct. 13, 2021.

https://morningconsult.com/2021/10/18/biden-approval-rating-virginia-gubernatorial-race/

This is actually better than I expected for Biden and if those numbers hold I think McAuliffe is winning this.

Glenn Youngkin and the GOP really needs Biden to being doing a lot worse in that state because voters being split down the middle when it comes to the president's approval is not going to cut it for Youngkin if actually wants to win this.

also, this goes back to 9/14, when his position was a bit worse, so I wonder what the data is showing for the last week or so and if it has improved.

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As I understand it, yesterday was the first time Virginia had early voting on Sundays, thus a major push on "Souls to the Polls"

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Why are there no articles about VA Republicans being exhausted or tired? Why is the negative narrative always placed on the Democrats?

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1450049792562933760

Yes, that conservative Republican-leaning publication the Washington Post.

(If anything the article is meant to be a boot up the ass to certain activists of "don't take this for granted, get out there!"

Wapo and NYT are not right or left-leaning. But they absolutely lean into GOP narratives way more, considering Dem narratives are not really a thing.

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Harris heads to VA on Thursday, ahead of Obama on Saturday

https://twitter.com/merica/status/1450167424268054531

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McAuliffe outraised Youngkin by nearly $6M in September. Feel like that's not getting a lot of attention.

https://twitter.com/vpapupdates/status/1449292223670063109