January 6th legal proceedings and investigations megathread

[Landslide Lyndon]

These people obviously have no idea who Calvin Coolidge is.
He wouldn't touch somebody like Trump with a ten-foot pole.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I don't see how this can be spun as anything but good for Trump.

His delay tactics/volume of crimes are buying him time.

The potential still exists of him getting convicted entirely, and still before the election, but nobody (particularly Nikki Haley) should be counting on it. Keep this in the back of your mind, always, but he has to beaten politically if we are to enter next year with him disgraced as a loser yet again that can finally feel the harsh sting of accountability.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/TheCalvinCooli1/status/1753256050394853463
Wait so Trump survives without any convictions outside possibly NY?

Not at all! It's because of the pending immunity appeal in this case, which must be resolved before the trial can proceed, and essentially stops the clock on the amount of time the parties were given to prepare for trial.  We already knew this would push the trial start date back (it's discussed upthread), and it will keep pushing it back indefinitely until the immunity appeal is resolved.  The court calendar is just taking official notice of that by removing the March 4 start date.

[wbrocks67]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/walt-nauta-was-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-then-trump-hired-him-then-he-was-indicted-in-mar-a-lago-case

Weeks before Nauta—a Navy enlistee stationed with the White House Presidential Support Detail since 2012—traded Washington, D.C., for Palm Beach, Navy officials had escorted him off White House grounds, reassigned him to a new post, and docked his White House security clearance in response to accusations of fraternization, adultery, harassment, and other inappropriate sexual conduct, including “revenge porn,” two people with direct knowledge of the matter told The Daily Beast.

The allegations came from three female servicemembers, these sources said. While Nauta’s behavior had been ongoing for years, according to these sources, the women first reported it to supervisors in spring 2021, shortly after Nauta was recalled from his first, temporary post-presidential assignment at Mar-a-Lago.

[Pres Mike]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

Yes

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Would the delay in the Circuit Court opinion seem to indicate that Henderson is siding with the majority?  If she was going to dissent, I'd think she wouldn't be able to assign (and thus delay) the majority opinion.

[emailking]

The DC Circ. norm is to drop opinions on Tuesdays & Fridays.

Today could be the day!

[emailking]

Also, the case dropping off the calendar means they know it's not happening March 4, not that it is happening before the election, or even in April.

[wbrocks67]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

Yes

So then the only question is how long SC takes to decide whether to take it up or not and if they do, how long it takes for a decision

[Pres Mike]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

Yes

So then the only question is how long SC takes to decide whether to take it up or not and if they do, how long it takes for a decision

Knowing the Supreme Court, they'll wait until June

[emailking]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

Yes

So then the only question is how long SC takes to decide whether to take it up or not and if they do, how long it takes for a decision

If the Circuit removes the stay then the case can go ahead while he appeals. A scenario is they give him 5 days (for example) to get a stay en banc or from SCOTUS and if he doesn't get one the case proceeds. It's an if but entirely possible.

[2016]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

Yes

So then the only question is how long SC takes to decide whether to take it up or not and if they do, how long it takes for a decision

If the Circuit removes the stay then the case can go ahead while he appeals. A scenario is they give him 5 days (for example) to get a stay en banc or from SCOTUS and if he doesn't get one the case proceeds. It's an if but entirely possible.

Most likely Trump will get away with everything and never ever get trialed. This is unbelievably sad.

[emailking]

Most likely Trump will get away with everything and never ever get trialed. This is unbelievably sad.

No.

[Progressive Pessimist]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

Yes

So then the only question is how long SC takes to decide whether to take it up or not and if they do, how long it takes for a decision

If the Circuit removes the stay then the case can go ahead while he appeals. A scenario is they give him 5 days (for example) to get a stay en banc or from SCOTUS and if he doesn't get one the case proceeds. It's an if but entirely possible.

Most likely Trump will get away with everything and never ever get trialed. This is unbelievably sad.

Trump is the blacklight of America. He is exposing all the weaknesses in our country's systems, but often too late.

Robert Mueller, Jack Smith, Fani Willis, etc. were never going to save the country from Trump, that's on we the voters, exclusively.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

Yes

So then the only question is how long SC takes to decide whether to take it up or not and if they do, how long it takes for a decision

If the Circuit removes the stay then the case can go ahead while he appeals. A scenario is they give him 5 days (for example) to get a stay en banc or from SCOTUS and if he doesn't get one the case proceeds. It's an if but entirely possible.

Most likely Trump will get away with everything and never ever get trialed. This is unbelievably sad.

Even if you think he did, Dems had pretty much all of their evidence for the Jan 6 stuff in 2021. They waited 2 and a half years and now it's probably too late. The American legal system is incredibly slow, it took nearly 5 years for Nicholas Cruz to face trial and a year and a half for Rittenhouse.

[Badger]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

Yes

So then the only question is how long SC takes to decide whether to take it up or not and if they do, how long it takes for a decision

If the Circuit removes the stay then the case can go ahead while he appeals. A scenario is they give him 5 days (for example) to get a stay en banc or from SCOTUS and if he doesn't get one the case proceeds. It's an if but entirely possible.

Most likely Trump will get away with everything and never ever get trialed. This is unbelievably sad.

Even if you think he did, Dems had pretty much all of their evidence for the Jan 6 stuff in 2021. They waited 2 and a half years and now it's probably too late. The American legal system is incredibly slow, it took nearly 5 years for Nicholas Cruz to face trial and a year and a half for Rittenhouse.

News flash. A trial of this consequence and complexity takes a tad more preparation, not to mention his face far more obstreperous litigation, then a simple shooting case even one followed in the media. This is a nonsensical post

[Ferguson97]

Even if you think he did, Dems had pretty much all of their evidence for the Jan 6 stuff in 2021. They waited 2 and a half years and now it's probably too late. The American legal system is incredibly slow, it took nearly 5 years for Nicholas Cruz to face trial and a year and a half for Rittenhouse.

It's so devious how you guys will move the goalposts like this. If we had done it sooner, you would claim that this is an obvious political persecution, since any serious charges would require a diligent investigation.

[Frodo]

The alternate mediaverse that most Republicans exist in has convinced them (of course) that Trump is being treated unfairly in all his court cases:

Most Republicans in new poll believe Trump’s legal cases are being handled ‘unfairly’

[Inmate Trump]

The alternate mediaverse that most Republicans exist in has convinced them (of course) that Trump is being treated unfairly in all his court cases:

Most Republicans in new poll believe Trump’s legal cases are being handled ‘unfairly’

"It's unfair to be held accountable for criminal actions!"

But also, "lock her up!" and "hang Mike Pence."

[2016]

Praying but not holding my breath that the D.C. Circuit Court issues a Ruling on Trumps Immunity on Tuesday. I can dream, can I.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

The alternate mediaverse that most Republicans exist in has convinced them (of course) that Trump is being treated unfairly in all his court cases:

Most Republicans in new poll believe Trump’s legal cases are being handled ‘unfairly’

The federal cases at least -are- obviously being handled unfairly, in the sense that Republican judges are deliberately delaying them to an extent that would never be done with another defendant.

[President Johnson]

The alternate mediaverse that most Republicans exist in has convinced them (of course) that Trump is being treated unfairly in all his court cases:

Most Republicans in new poll believe Trump’s legal cases are being handled ‘unfairly’

"It's unfair to be held accountable for criminal actions!"

But also, "lock her up!" and "hang Mike Pence."

The party of law & order, Ladies and Gentlemen.

[President Johnson]

I don't see how this can be spun as anything but good for Trump.

His delay tactics/volume of crimes are buying him time.

The potential still exists of him getting convicted entirely, and still before the election, but nobody (particularly Nikki Haley) should be counting on it. Keep this in the back of your mind, always, but he has to beaten politically if we are to enter next year with him disgraced as a loser yet again that can finally feel the harsh sting of accountability.

If Trump loses this year's election as well, it's quite possible we're talking about more indictments down the road. Because, well, he's not expected to concede this one either and get himself into more legal trouble in the aftermath of the 2024 election. He's certainly stupid enough and thinks he can get away with everything as he hasn't been convicted yet.

[2016]

I don't see how this can be spun as anything but good for Trump.

His delay tactics/volume of crimes are buying him time.

The potential still exists of him getting convicted entirely, and still before the election, but nobody (particularly Nikki Haley) should be counting on it. Keep this in the back of your mind, always, but he has to beaten politically if we are to enter next year with him disgraced as a loser yet again that can finally feel the harsh sting of accountability.

If Trump loses this year's election as well, it's quite possible we're talking about more indictments down the road. Because, well, he's not expected to concede this one either and get himself into more legal trouble in the aftermath of the 2024 election. He's certainly stupid enough and thinks he can get away with everything as he hasn't been convicted yet.

And that's why I think the "Immunity Case" is the most important case.