PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[cg41386]

Well, here we go. More than the debate itself, this is the kind of article you don't want after the fact, that uses it as a predicate for a discussion of lack of transparency, and handwringing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/fetterman-debate-performance-democrats-edge-pa-senate-race-rcna54158

A theme is kind of emerging. The Pubs nominate lousy candidates, and then the Dems don't do all that well in the debates. Perhaps it kind of balances out.

Some are blowing this whole debate thing way out of proportion. It’s probably not going to make much of a difference.

[Torie]

Well, here we go. More than the debate itself, this is the kind of article you don't want after the fact, that uses it as a predicate for a discussion of lack of transparency, and handwringing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/fetterman-debate-performance-democrats-edge-pa-senate-race-rcna54158

A theme is kind of emerging. The Pubs nominate lousy candidates, and then the Dems don't do all that well in the debates. Perhaps it kind of balances out.

Some are blowing this whole debate thing way out of proportion. It’s probably not going to make much of a difference.

No need to spend much energy speculating. The next batch of polls will be out soon.

[ctherainbow]

Anyway, in not stupid news like this thread has presented lately...

Fetterman is hosting an event with Malcolm Kenyatta on Saturday on Temple's campus--I'm really hoping I can finally meet Malcolm after voting for him in the primary

I hope you get a chance to!  He’s really sweet.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

These polls aren't regular polls they are tracking polls so an Vance plus 4 one day and Ryan plus 3 another day is the same as Fetterman plus 3 and Oz plus 3, anyways early voting is ongoing what we learned from last time Laxalt had a strong lead of 3 pts over Sisolak  2018 and he ended up losing on Eday due to Early vote the same is gonna happen to Oz, Johnson, Walker and Laxalt Ds aren't losing the blue wall

Cook says we are gonna lose 20 seats no, it can very well be 225/210 R H and 53/46/1 D Senate or 52/48 or 51/49 senate

[sting in the rafters]

Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeee just saw some ads during the Flyers-Panthers game attacking Oz's stances on prescription drug costs and pre-existing condition coverage it's ab time this cycle Ds appealed to the phuckton of old people here

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1585697580192862209

Republicans sounds nervous

[MillennialModerate]

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1585697580192862209

Republicans sounds nervous

That’s a fail safe (ie Trump in 16)

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeee just saw some ads during the Flyers-Panthers game attacking Oz's stances on prescription drug costs and pre-existing condition coverage it's ab time this cycle Ds appealed to the phuckton of old people here

I'm wondering why people think attacking an overweight person for a medical condition that isn't their fault would be popular in a state where more people than average are overweight with a medical condition that isn't their fault.

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1585697580192862209

Republicans sounds nervous

Yeah... this doesn't sound like people who think they are winning.

[wbrocks67]

A lot of this doesn't really surprise me, since most of the voters they talked to were registered Republicans in the Philly suburbs, so they were probably most likely to still go to Fetterman in this climate.

The one that caught my eye though was the guy who was leaning towards Oz, but now seems to be leaning towards Fetterman

https://twitter.com/ColbyItkowitz/status/1585794501947408384

[sting in the rafters]

Anyway, in not stupid news like this thread has presented lately...

Fetterman is hosting an event with Malcolm Kenyatta on Saturday on Temple's campus--I'm really hoping I can finally meet Malcolm after voting for him in the primary

Malcolm seems like a really good guy, I hope he runs again for something in the future

He was the only candidate in the primary to oppose fracking and bears the standard of his father who stood up to Francis Lazarro Rizzo's tyranny as the George Wallace of the North, Kenyatta's definitely a name to watch in the Philly mayoral race next spring.

[Eraserhead]

How much do you think Oz hates Mastriano lol

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1585700416800505856

I think that clip was as sad as any of Fetterman's verbal stumbles. Poor guy, lol.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Federalist just came out with a painfully silly attack on Fetterman.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

“We want to tell you something about John Fetterman. He was raised by two Trump-voting Republicans right here in this house in York,” Karl and Susan Fetterman claim in the 30-second video. “Us!”

The problem is that Fetterman’s parents are not Trump supporters or Republicans. According to voting records obtained by The Federalist, Susan and Karl Fetterman have been voting Democrat for at least six years—beginning when the couple registered as Democrats to vote in the 2016 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Democratic_primary

[UncleSam]

Federalist just came out with a painfully silly attack on Fetterman.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

“We want to tell you something about John Fetterman. He was raised by two Trump-voting Republicans right here in this house in York,” Karl and Susan Fetterman claim in the 30-second video. “Us!”

The problem is that Fetterman’s parents are not Trump supporters or Republicans. According to voting records obtained by The Federalist, Susan and Karl Fetterman have been voting Democrat for at least six years—beginning when the couple registered as Democrats to vote in the 2016 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Democratic_primary

Not sure why this is silly. He had his parents feature in an ad explicitly for his campaign and in that ad they blatantly lied expecting not to get called out on it.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Federalist just came out with a painfully silly attack on Fetterman.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

“We want to tell you something about John Fetterman. He was raised by two Trump-voting Republicans right here in this house in York,” Karl and Susan Fetterman claim in the 30-second video. “Us!”

The problem is that Fetterman’s parents are not Trump supporters or Republicans. According to voting records obtained by The Federalist, Susan and Karl Fetterman have been voting Democrat for at least six years—beginning when the couple registered as Democrats to vote in the 2016 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Democratic_primary

Not sure why this is silly. He had his parents feature in an ad explicitly for his campaign and in that ad they blatantly lied expecting not to get called out on it.

Really weird that they would register as Democrats to vote for their own son.

[Perlen vor den Schweinen]

Federalist just came out with a painfully silly attack on Fetterman.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

“We want to tell you something about John Fetterman. He was raised by two Trump-voting Republicans right here in this house in York,” Karl and Susan Fetterman claim in the 30-second video. “Us!”

The problem is that Fetterman’s parents are not Trump supporters or Republicans. According to voting records obtained by The Federalist, Susan and Karl Fetterman have been voting Democrat for at least six years—beginning when the couple registered as Democrats to vote in the 2016 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Democratic_primary

They may have registered as Democrats to vote for their son in the US Senate primary (PA has closed primaries), but it is doubtful that they would have followed up a vote for their son with a vote for Trump.

Naturally, their claim is unverifiable, unless they explicitly supported Clinton in 2016 (and if there is public record of their support for Clinton, that would be a silly thing to miss when making an ad like this!).

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Federalist just came out with a painfully silly attack on Fetterman.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

“We want to tell you something about John Fetterman. He was raised by two Trump-voting Republicans right here in this house in York,” Karl and Susan Fetterman claim in the 30-second video. “Us!”

The problem is that Fetterman’s parents are not Trump supporters or Republicans. According to voting records obtained by The Federalist, Susan and Karl Fetterman have been voting Democrat for at least six years—beginning when the couple registered as Democrats to vote in the 2016 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Democratic_primary

They may have registered as Democrats to vote for their son in the US Senate primary (PA has closed primaries), but it is doubtful that they would have followed up a vote for their son with a vote for Trump.

Naturally, their claim is unverifiable, unless they explicitly supported Clinton in 2016 (and if there is public record of their support for Clinton, that would be a silly thing to miss when making an ad like this!).

is it though? why?

[Ferguson97]

Federalist just came out with a painfully silly attack on Fetterman.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

“We want to tell you something about John Fetterman. He was raised by two Trump-voting Republicans right here in this house in York,” Karl and Susan Fetterman claim in the 30-second video. “Us!”

The problem is that Fetterman’s parents are not Trump supporters or Republicans. According to voting records obtained by The Federalist, Susan and Karl Fetterman have been voting Democrat for at least six years—beginning when the couple registered as Democrats to vote in the 2016 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Democratic_primary

They may have registered as Democrats to vote for their son in the US Senate primary (PA has closed primaries), but it is doubtful that they would have followed up a vote for their son with a vote for Trump.

Naturally, their claim is unverifiable, unless they explicitly supported Clinton in 2016 (and if there is public record of their support for Clinton, that would be a silly thing to miss when making an ad like this!).

It's ridiculous that someone's own parents would cross the aisle to vote for them?

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

Federalist just came out with a painfully silly attack on Fetterman.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

“We want to tell you something about John Fetterman. He was raised by two Trump-voting Republicans right here in this house in York,” Karl and Susan Fetterman claim in the 30-second video. “Us!”

The problem is that Fetterman’s parents are not Trump supporters or Republicans. According to voting records obtained by The Federalist, Susan and Karl Fetterman have been voting Democrat for at least six years—beginning when the couple registered as Democrats to vote in the 2016 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Democratic_primary

They may have registered as Democrats to vote for their son in the US Senate primary (PA has closed primaries), but it is doubtful that they would have followed up a vote for their son with a vote for Trump.

Naturally, their claim is unverifiable, unless they explicitly supported Clinton in 2016 (and if there is public record of their support for Clinton, that would be a silly thing to miss when making an ad like this!).

is it though? why?

Yeah, I think most of us who either vote almost or exclusively party-line would have at least one close relative or friend they'd be willing to cross over for in that scenario (especially if it's your own kid!).

I mean, I'm literally pepping up one center-right poster here for a future mayoral run.

[Perlen vor den Schweinen]

Federalist just came out with a painfully silly attack on Fetterman.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

“We want to tell you something about John Fetterman. He was raised by two Trump-voting Republicans right here in this house in York,” Karl and Susan Fetterman claim in the 30-second video. “Us!”

The problem is that Fetterman’s parents are not Trump supporters or Republicans. According to voting records obtained by The Federalist, Susan and Karl Fetterman have been voting Democrat for at least six years—beginning when the couple registered as Democrats to vote in the 2016 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Democratic_primary

They may have registered as Democrats to vote for their son in the US Senate primary (PA has closed primaries), but it is doubtful that they would have followed up a vote for their son with a vote for Trump.

Naturally, their claim is unverifiable, unless they explicitly supported Clinton in 2016 (and if there is public record of their support for Clinton, that would be a silly thing to miss when making an ad like this!).

It's ridiculous that someone's own parents would cross the aisle to vote for them?

Not ridiculous or too hard to imagine - it's just that Trump runs against a lot of what their son is advocating for. American voters, of course, are a funny bunch and can vote for very different candidates on the same ballot.

[wbrocks67]

Huh, finally an article that is a bit critical of Oz for once!

(but InsiderAdvantage and Co/efficient told me he was winning 25-30% of the black vote )

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1586092995157409796

[Calthrina950]

Huh, finally an article that is a bit critical of Oz for once!

(but InsiderAdvantage and Co/efficient told me he was winning 25-30% of the black vote )

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1586092995157409796

I've said before that Fetterman will still overwhelmingly win the black vote. The vast majority of black voters are Yellow Dog Democrats who detest the Republican Party and all that it stands for. My uncle is an example of this. Most of us will vote straight-ticket Democratic, as we have for generations, and this year is no different. Republicans have much greater potential for minority gains with Asians and Hispanics.

[ProgressiveModerate]

Federalist just came out with a painfully silly attack on Fetterman.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

“We want to tell you something about John Fetterman. He was raised by two Trump-voting Republicans right here in this house in York,” Karl and Susan Fetterman claim in the 30-second video. “Us!”

The problem is that Fetterman’s parents are not Trump supporters or Republicans. According to voting records obtained by The Federalist, Susan and Karl Fetterman have been voting Democrat for at least six years—beginning when the couple registered as Democrats to vote in the 2016 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Democratic_primary

They may have registered as Democrats to vote for their son in the US Senate primary (PA has closed primaries), but it is doubtful that they would have followed up a vote for their son with a vote for Trump.

Naturally, their claim is unverifiable, unless they explicitly supported Clinton in 2016 (and if there is public record of their support for Clinton, that would be a silly thing to miss when making an ad like this!).

It's ridiculous that someone's own parents would cross the aisle to vote for them?

Not ridiculous or too hard to imagine - it's just that Trump runs against a lot of what their son is advocating for. American voters, of course, are a funny bunch and can vote for very different candidates on the same ballot.

It def is possible though. I think atlas tends to assume a lot of "normal" citizens have a lot more political knowledge and nuances than they actually do, so it def is possible. It is suspect but unfortunately there's no way to prove or disprove it.

A simillar but not completely equivalent example would be in Nebraska, Sussane Shore (the first lady) is a Democrat who voted for Clinton and recently endorsed Brooks in NE-01.

They could also be Trump-Biden voters too

[wbrocks67]

Anecdotally, in terms of signs, there have been more Oz/Mastriano ones popping up throughout (a lot are from the county GOP, etc. / ones that are put up on the side of roads, highways, etc.) but I have yet to see an Oz sign without Mastriano there too. Essentially saying that the typical straight ticket GOP households are usually the ones that have Oz up. I haven't seen any house with an Oz sign but no Mastriano, or even vice versa.

[ProgressiveModerate]

On Twitter Dr. Oz posted a video of former Braddock mayor Chardaé Jones and used clips where she basically said she wouldn’t vote for him in the primary but act like she meant the general election. Jones on her social media then got upset and clarified she plans 100% on voting for Fetterman, but that he wasn’t her first choice in the primary.