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Question: American citizens: where do you stand on Israel?
#1
1st Choice: 2 states... 2nd Choice: Israel is Democractic... 3rd Choice: Israel is Jewish
 
#2
1st Choice: 2 states... 2nd Choice: Israel is Jewish... 3rd Choice: Israel is Democratic
 
#3
1st Choice: Israel is Democratic... 2nd Choice: 2 states... 3rd Choice: Israel is Jewish
 
#4
1st Choice: Israel is Democratic... 2nd Choice: Israel is Jewish.. 3rd Choice: 2 states
 
#5
1st Choice: Israel is Jewish... 2nd Choice: Israel is Democratic.. 3rd Choice: 2 states
 
#6
1st Choice: Israel is Jewish... 2nd Choice: 2 states.. 3rd Choice: Israel is Democratic
 
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Torie
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« on: January 01, 2017, 09:17:29 AM »

Personally, I have this feeling that the PA really does not want an independent state in a two state solution. With independence comes responsibility for its actions. The sad thing about it, is that over the decades, almost all Christians, along with most of the middle class, has long since decamped from the place. It's a tragedy really.

So perhaps what was noted above about Jordan plus most of the West Bank becoming a Palestinian state someday, might end up being the end game.
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Torie
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2017, 05:00:53 PM »

Personally, I have this feeling that the PA really does not want an independent state in a two state solution. With independence comes responsibility for its actions. The sad thing about it, is that over the decades, almost all Christians, along with most of the middle class, has long since decamped from the place. It's a tragedy really.

So perhaps what was noted above about Jordan plus most of the West Bank becoming a Palestinian state someday, might end up being the end game.
You mean with Arab-majority WB becoming part of Jordon?
And Gaza eventually being annexed by Egypt?

Correct.  And it sadly will probably be done eventually without a peace treaty with Israel. Nobody wants Gaza. So it will be just an ongoing issue for the ensuing decades.  Some problems really have no solutions.
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Torie
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2017, 05:21:48 PM »

Personally, I have this feeling that the PA really does not want an independent state in a two state solution. With independence comes responsibility for its actions. The sad thing about it, is that over the decades, almost all Christians, along with most of the middle class, has long since decamped from the place. It's a tragedy really.

So perhaps what was noted above about Jordan plus most of the West Bank becoming a Palestinian state someday, might end up being the end game.


You mean with Arab-majority WB becoming part of Jordon?
And Gaza eventually being annexed by Egypt?

Correct.  And it sadly will probably be done eventually without a peace treaty with Israel. Nobody wants Gaza. So it will be just an ongoing issue for the ensuing decades.  Some problems really have no solutions.

I don't know how Jordan annexing the West Bank is possible when almost all of the Israeli settlements in Zone C are between the Jordan River and where most of the Palestinians live. 

To the extent that is true (a map would be nice), that will be a problem. But Israel ruling over others with no political rights, is just not sustainable over the long term - not in this day and age.
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Torie
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E: -3.48, S: -4.70

« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2017, 05:42:32 PM »

Personally, I have this feeling that the PA really does not want an independent state in a two state solution. With independence comes responsibility for its actions. The sad thing about it, is that over the decades, almost all Christians, along with most of the middle class, has long since decamped from the place. It's a tragedy really.

So perhaps what was noted above about Jordan plus most of the West Bank becoming a Palestinian state someday, might end up being the end game.


You mean with Arab-majority WB becoming part of Jordon?
And Gaza eventually being annexed by Egypt?

Correct.  And it sadly will probably be done eventually without a peace treaty with Israel. Nobody wants Gaza. So it will be just an ongoing issue for the ensuing decades.  Some problems really have no solutions.

I don't know how Jordan annexing the West Bank is possible when almost all of the Israeli settlements in Zone C are between the Jordan River and where most of the Palestinians live. 

To the extent that is true (a map would be nice), that will be a problem. But Israel ruling over others with no political rights, is just not sustainable over the long term - not in this day and age.

That vox.com video that was posted on the previous page really goes into the different zones, geography, and has maps.

Thanks. But isn't most of the blue C Israel security zone near the Jordan River basically unpopulated?
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