American citizens: where do you stand on Israel?

[America Needs R'hllor]

Didn't vote because I'm not American, but for me it's: 1. Two state solution, 2. I'm out, immigration it is.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Why is Israel accused of occupying gaza and West Bank . They were attacked 6 times and won a those wars and got that land in part of the agreement in ending the wars . So that is Israel land since they won the war .

A major part of the reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242

Also, I don't think Israel is still accused of "occupying" Gaza, at least in the way they are accused of occupying the West Bank and the Golan Heights.

Accusing Israel of occupying the Goland Heights is laughable, really, and shows a very ugly double standard, as if there're no countries currently holding lands which once belonged to another country that lost a war (hint: most of Europe). We won the war. We took it. The people there don't want to be part of Syria anymore (unline the West Bank, that wants independence). Done.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Wow, Trump gave Bibi carte blanche to just annex the whole area. Great, set up an actual apartheid state and prove BDS right. That'll show Israel's critics.

He did also say that he opposes settlement expansion and that both sides would have to agree. Nonetheless, Bibi has no guts to annex anything.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Wow, Trump gave Bibi carte blanche to just annex the whole area. Great, set up an actual apartheid state and prove BDS right. That'll show Israel's critics.

He did also say that he opposes settlement expansion and that both sides would have to agree. Nonetheless, Bibi has no guts to annex anything.

What about his soon to be successor?

That depends on who will it be. Lapid will probably be better than Bibi, though he's a coward so he'll probably not make a treaty. Bennett would probably annex something symbolic but not everything- he also doesn't have the guts. The others from the Likud would basically continue Netanyahu.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Best option: 2 state solution, with boundary drawn as it was originally (before any of the Palestinian land was wrongfully seized) and reparations paid to the new Palestine by Israel for all past oppression.

And how are you planning to destroy, for example, the city of Ariel where there are 18,717 citizens plus a university? Or any of the many other cities? Land swaps are inevitable if you want an agreement. But you don't seem to want an agreement, based on your suggestion for reparations.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Best option: 2 state solution, with boundary drawn as it was originally (before any of the Palestinian land was wrongfully seized) and reparations paid to the new Palestine by Israel for all past oppression.

So basically, reset the clock to the offered status quo before the multiple wars of extermination were launched by the Arab states against the Jewish people.

The irony is, this was essentially offered at Camp David (sans the reparitions, which would never happen). The Palestinians rejected it because of no "right of return". They want Tel Aviv too, de facto if not de jure.

Exactly. The two-state solution needs to be politically forced down their throats if Israel is to secure its existence as a Jewish, Democratic state.

Best option: 2 state solution, with boundary drawn as it was originally (before any of the Palestinian land was wrongfully seized) and reparations paid to the new Palestine by Israel for all past oppression.

And how are you planning to destroy, for example, the city of Ariel where there are 18,717 citizens plus a university? Or any of the many other cities? Land swaps are inevitable if you want an agreement. But you don't seem to want an agreement, based on your suggestion for reparations.

I'm not going to say this is my preferred position (I like the one-state solution), but the Jewish/Israeli people of Ariel can stay if they want and become Palestinian citizens. Or they can leave, which they probably would. No one needs to destroy the city; other people would live there. That's not even slightly unusual in world history, especially recent world history.

If you were talking about a city right on the border, land swaps might be workable, but Ariel is deep in the West Bank. It is part of Palestine in any realistic two-state solution.

Won't happe. I agree with you on the isolated 'settlements' of a few families and such (like Amona), but Ariel IS part of Israel. There's a university, ordinary people. We will not let it become part of a third world country. Land swaps do work with it, it's just no pretty on a map.