If Biden loses to Trump will his 2020 win be looked back on as a fluke?

[xavier110]

It will probably seem like a fluke of the pandemic. But if he wins, then Trump will seem like a fluke in the middle of the Obama-Biden years.

Yes, this election is interesting because its outcome renders either 2016 or 2020 as a fluke of history. 

[Tekken_Guy]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

He wants to invoke the Insurrection Act on day one against 'dissidents'. He's planning to stack his administration with people who actively want to subvert democracy and is planning to essentially fire most of the civil service so loyalists can be installed.

If Trump wins, there will not be free elections in the US ever again. There will be election-type events, but they will play out exactly like Russia's.

There will be free elections. Trump doesn’t have control over the infrastructure of elections, which is done at a state-by-state basis. Also he’ll be dealing with a divided congress and a court system who laughed his post-2020 lawsuits out of court (not every judge is going to be Aileen Cannon). Even if Trump wants to be a dictator there are going to be roadblocks he runs into.

[GoTfan]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

He wants to invoke the Insurrection Act on day one against 'dissidents'. He's planning to stack his administration with people who actively want to subvert democracy and is planning to essentially fire most of the civil service so loyalists can be installed.

If Trump wins, there will not be free elections in the US ever again. There will be election-type events, but they will play out exactly like Russia's.

There will be free elections. Trump doesn’t have control over the infrastructure of elections, which is done at a state-by-state basis. Also he’ll be dealing with a divided congress and a court system who laughed his post-2020 lawsuits out of court (not every judge is going to be Aileen Cannon). Even if Trump wants to be a dictator there are going to be roadblocks he runs into.

And what makes you think he won't attempt another January 6?

[Tekken_Guy]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

He wants to invoke the Insurrection Act on day one against 'dissidents'. He's planning to stack his administration with people who actively want to subvert democracy and is planning to essentially fire most of the civil service so loyalists can be installed.

If Trump wins, there will not be free elections in the US ever again. There will be election-type events, but they will play out exactly like Russia's.

There will be free elections. Trump doesn’t have control over the infrastructure of elections, which is done at a state-by-state basis. Also he’ll be dealing with a divided congress and a court system who laughed his post-2020 lawsuits out of court (not every judge is going to be Aileen Cannon). Even if Trump wants to be a dictator there are going to be roadblocks he runs into.

And what makes you think he won't attempt another January 6?

Because he’ll fail. Again.

[Devils30]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

He wants to invoke the Insurrection Act on day one against 'dissidents'. He's planning to stack his administration with people who actively want to subvert democracy and is planning to essentially fire most of the civil service so loyalists can be installed.

If Trump wins, there will not be free elections in the US ever again. There will be election-type events, but they will play out exactly like Russia's.

There will be free elections. Trump doesn’t have control over the infrastructure of elections, which is done at a state-by-state basis. Also he’ll be dealing with a divided congress and a court system who laughed his post-2020 lawsuits out of court (not every judge is going to be Aileen Cannon). Even if Trump wants to be a dictator there are going to be roadblocks he runs into.

And what makes you think he won't attempt another January 6?

Because he’ll fail. Again.

He also might not even care in 2028, the guy really isn't interested in any candidacy not named Donald Trump.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

If Trump wins again, 2020 will be looked back on as the last gasp of the American Republic.

[Tekken_Guy]

If Trump wins again, 2020 will be looked back on as the last gasp of the American Republic.

For the last time this isn’t going to happen. Trump cannot seize control over the decentralized electoral process in the country no matter how much he tries.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

If Trump wins again, 2020 will be looked back on as the last gasp of the American Republic.

For the last time this isn’t going to happen. Trump cannot seize control over the decentralized electoral process in the country no matter how much he tries.

Virtually every liberal on this site is convinced that a Trump election would "destroy" US democracy forever. Honestly, its best to just let them be as the only way to convince them they are wrong is a Trump presidency till 2028. The US survived the Civil War and two world wars, I'm sure it can survive a New York billionare and a guy wearing fur and horns.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

If Trump wins again, 2020 will be looked back on as the last gasp of the American Republic.

For the last time this isn’t going to happen. Trump cannot seize control over the decentralized electoral process in the country no matter how much he tries.

Virtually every liberal on this site is convinced that a Trump election would "destroy" US democracy forever. Honestly, its best to just let them be as the only way to convince them they are wrong is a Trump presidency till 2028. The US survived the Civil War and two world wars, I'm sure it can survive a New York billionare and a guy wearing fur and horns.

Lol we will be okay if Trump is elected but Trump silly tax cuts does nothing to help poor


You aren't even rich you don't get 40 K in tax cuts

[TheHegemonist]

Fluke in what sense? The 2024 and 2020 elections won't be that similar, apart from having the same candidates. The conditions of each election will be completely different.

Since 2020, we've had rising inflation, the end of Roe v. Wade, multiple foreign wars that the U.S. has involved itself in, crime as a bigger issue, and Biden's health is also much more of an issue compared to 2020.

I do think that this election will almost completely define Biden's historic legacy - either he will be the man who defeated Trump, or the man who failed to stop him from returning. It is also the case that, if he loses, Biden's presidency will be viewed as part of the "Trump Era" rather than its own thing (or potentially as a part of the larger "Obama Era"). So I suppose in that sense, his presidency and election in 2020 will be viewed as more of a fluke if he loses re-election.

[MarkD]

No, Trump will be considered the fluke, even if he wins again.

[GAinDC]

If Trump wins again, 2020 will be looked back on as the last gasp of the American Republic.

For the last time this isn’t going to happen. Trump cannot seize control over the decentralized electoral process in the country no matter how much he tries.

Do you really wanna risk it though?

[Mr. Smith]

I think this depends on 2028 and 2026 to a lesser extent.

I'm sure the initial two years, the answer is yes however.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

If Trump wins again, 2020 will be looked back on as the last gasp of the American Republic.

For the last time this isn’t going to happen. Trump cannot seize control over the decentralized electoral process in the country no matter how much he tries.

Virtually every liberal on this site is convinced that a Trump election would "destroy" US democracy forever. Honestly, its best to just let them be as the only way to convince them they are wrong is a Trump presidency till 2028. The US survived the Civil War and two world wars, I'm sure it can survive a New York billionare and a guy wearing fur and horns.

For the Nth time, Trump is a symptom, not the disease. What will kill the country is the act of electing him - it would be the electoral equivalent of a "divide by zero" error, an open admission that the country does not want rule of law and representative government anymore.

To put it another way, IF it is actually acceptable that Donald Trump serves as President again, then it is also acceptable if Joe Biden engages in the same conduct Donald Trump did. I.e. anyone saying "Trump is able to legitimately become President" is also saying "It's okay if Joe Biden has an angry crowd seize the RNC and GOP leadership, execute them all and then has a Republican-free Congress declare him President via selective electoral vote counting". And that is not a functioning democracy, no matter who does it.

There is no "out" for the Republicans here, no matter how much they whine about how unfair it is that they ever have to face consequences. What Republicans really want, but refuse to admit, is that they want the benefits of a functioning, representative government and rule of law for themselves but not for anyone else. And that never works.

Republicans are like a man who wants to shoot the sheriff, pick up that shiny badge and pin it on themselves, and then kick back and relax, secure in the knowledge that no one would dare to shoot the sheriff.  It would be laughable if it wasn't so evil.

[Ferguson97]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

"Liberals were wrong about Trump being a threat to democracy, because his attempt to overturn the election did not succeed" is such a ridiculous thing to believe.

[Tekken_Guy]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

"Liberals were wrong about Trump being a threat to democracy, because his attempt to overturn the election did not succeed" is such a ridiculous thing to believe.

No it’s not. Trump is not competent enough to destroy democracy.

[emailking]

It's possible he could destroy Democracy in this country and also possible that Democracy could survive in this country, how's that?

[Kamala's side hoe]

It will probably seem like a fluke of the pandemic. But if he wins, then Trump will seem like a fluke in the middle of the Obama-Biden years.

Yes, this election is interesting because its outcome renders either 2016 or 2020 as a fluke of history. 

2020 being as close as it was with a bigger PV-EV gap than 2016 already kind of proved 2016 wasn't a fluke.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

This Doomer threaf is a yr too early , wait to see what polls are like Aor 2024


Why do people take Snowlabrador so seriously, it happened again, Snowlabrador said on 11)15/23 not 11/1/24 that Biden low polls has trickled down there MI S. Lol on Oct 2004 Bush W had a 4 pt lead on Kerry in MI and 6 pts lead in WI on Kerry in Oct 2004 and lost both states

[Ferguson97]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

"Liberals were wrong about Trump being a threat to democracy, because his attempt to overturn the election did not succeed" is such a ridiculous thing to believe.

No it’s not. Trump is not competent enough to destroy democracy.

This is a ridiculously dangerous and naive thing to believe. He was minutes away from succeeding in 2020! Do you have any idea how close the terrorists got to reaching members of Congress?

[Tekken_Guy]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

"Liberals were wrong about Trump being a threat to democracy, because his attempt to overturn the election did not succeed" is such a ridiculous thing to believe.

No it’s not. Trump is not competent enough to destroy democracy.

This is a ridiculously dangerous and naive thing to believe. He was minutes away from succeeding in 2020! Do you have any idea how close the terrorists got to reaching members of Congress?

And it won’t happen again. Capitol Security was caught off guard in 2021 and they won’t be the next time it happens.

[Ferguson97]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

"Liberals were wrong about Trump being a threat to democracy, because his attempt to overturn the election did not succeed" is such a ridiculous thing to believe.

No it’s not. Trump is not competent enough to destroy democracy.

This is a ridiculously dangerous and naive thing to believe. He was minutes away from succeeding in 2020! Do you have any idea how close the terrorists got to reaching members of Congress?

And it won’t happen again. Capitol Security was caught off guard in 2021 and they won’t be the next time it happens.

A January 6th repeat is not the only way in which Trump can end democracy.

If Trump wins re-election, there will not be another free and fair election after that.

[Tekken_Guy]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

"Liberals were wrong about Trump being a threat to democracy, because his attempt to overturn the election did not succeed" is such a ridiculous thing to believe.

No it’s not. Trump is not competent enough to destroy democracy.

This is a ridiculously dangerous and naive thing to believe. He was minutes away from succeeding in 2020! Do you have any idea how close the terrorists got to reaching members of Congress?

And it won’t happen again. Capitol Security was caught off guard in 2021 and they won’t be the next time it happens.

A January 6th repeat is not the only way in which Trump can end democracy.

If Trump wins re-election, there will not be another free and fair election after that.

Yes. There. Will.

[pbrower2a]

If Trump wins again, 2020 will be looked back on as the last gasp of the American Republic.

For the last time this isn’t going to happen. Trump cannot seize control over the decentralized electoral process in the country no matter how much he tries.

But his buddies can, and they could arrange for elections in which a huge majority go GOP.  An all-Korean election would go to the Korean Workers' Party (the only meaningful Party in North Korea) because one portion would be solid and the other would be split. 

[Tekken_Guy]

If Trump wins again, 2020 will be looked back on as the last gasp of the American Republic.

For the last time this isn’t going to happen. Trump cannot seize control over the decentralized electoral process in the country no matter how much he tries.

But his buddies can, and they could arrange for elections in which a huge majority go GOP.  An all-Korean election would go to the Korean Workers' Party (the only meaningful Party in North Korea) because one portion would be solid and the other would be split. 

What buddies? The congressional GOP is too divided to act on that and the only state governments his allies have power in are already solidly Republican.