DNC Panel rule: If you want to run be a registered Democrat!

[America Needs R'hllor]

This is mostly harmful and comes off as spiteful.

[Figueira]

This is dumb. If the party's voters want a particular candidate to represent the party, who cares what his party registration is?

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

You impecunious and hunchbacked Democrat teenage virgins do understand that;

1. Vermont has no party registration.  Sanders could not register as a Democrat even if he wanted to. 

2. Sanders would have qualified in 2016 with this statement alone he made in a Feb. 2016 town hall; "Of course I am a Democrat and running for the Democratic nomination."  Which is all the proposed rule asks of a candidate. 

3. It is effectively unenforceable, pointless, and only comes off as spiteful. 

And I have no clue why calling oneself a "Democrat" is some kind of badge of honor to you dweebs.  Donald Trump called himself a Democrat from 2001-2009.  Tribalism is a bad, you see. 

Anyway, register on Atlas After Dark, you losers.  Free hat. 

http://atlasafterdark.freeforums.net/

[YE]

I can't really see how it is unfair that a party makes a rule like this. Political parties are private and can set whatever rules they like.

It's a symbolic attempt to undermine Bernie Sanders. If you don't want him president, beat him in the primary and not try to pull shady sh**t like this.

If he wants to run for President as a Democrat, he should register as a Democrat instead of being a giant man-baby about it.

Does it really matter though?

Either way, you guys are entirely missing the point. Pulling off shady bullsh**t like this does nothing but harm to trust in the DNC. At a time when faith in our institutions is at an all time low, and the Democratic Party is the only thing stopping us from fascism, that is not good.

[Hindsight was 2020]

The fact that this is being called “shady” and “corrupt” tells you how stupid our politics have become. Is it a petty shot at Bernie? Yeah it is. But is the beef with how Bernie flip flops from D to I a legit one? Also yes. There is nothing “shady” about this ruling and anyone who tries to argue as such just have their heads up their rear ends

[SteveRogers]

Guys, the rule just says this:


You literally just have to write a letter to the DNC saying, “Yes I’m a Democrat, yes I will accept the Democratic nomination if nominated (duh), and yes I will serve as a Democrat.”

[SteveRogers]

I am glad to see a rule that effectively bars Bernie Sanders from running for President again. His socialist ideas have already intoxicated 121 members of the house of representatives and 15 other members of the Senate, and must not be allowed to overtake America in any way, shape, or form.

It doesn't.

Jesus Christ.  Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

Key word is "effectively". I understand that Sanders could register as a Democrat to get around this, but he's been staunchly against ever doing such a thing for his entire political career.

Vermont doesn’t have party registration.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Guys, the rule just says this:


You literally just have to write a letter to the DNC saying, “Yes I’m a Democrat, yes I will accept the Democratic nomination if nominated (duh), and yes I will serve as a Democrat.”

So Berners were exaggerating and creating conspiracy theories once again? Cool.

[Xing]

And people say Bernie supporters/the progressive wing is unreasonable and spiteful. Jesus Christ, this rabid Bernie derangement syndrome that the DNC and many Democratic voters have is going to hand Trump a second term.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

So much for them thinking Bernie has no chance.

[Politician]

And people say Bernie supporters/the progressive wing is unreasonable and spiteful. Jesus Christ, this rabid Bernie derangement syndrome that the DNC and many Democratic voters have is going to hand Trump a second term.

[HillGoose]

that makes sense to me honestly

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

This is a great decision and makes 100% sense.

Nothing "corrupt" or "shady" about this. So much exaggerating in this thread. Disgusting.

[James Monroe]

And people say Bernie supporters/the progressive wing is unreasonable and spiteful. Jesus Christ, this rabid Bernie derangement syndrome that the DNC and many Democratic voters have is going to hand Trump a second term.

Giving that Bernie's base is so insignificant and fringe in the political world that nothing will be lose of consequence. The Bernie Bros will forever keep raging against a system by claiming how the elite is rigging the primary, while they barely get out to vote for Bernie or other supposedly "progressive". If the Bernie crew wants to have a place at the table appeal to our base or jump off the ship.

[YE]

And people say Bernie supporters/the progressive wing is unreasonable and spiteful. Jesus Christ, this rabid Bernie derangement syndrome that the DNC and many Democratic voters have is going to hand Trump a second term.

Giving that Bernie's base is so insignificant and fringe in the political world that nothing will be lose of consequence. The Bernie Bros will forever keep raging against a system by claiming how the elite is rigging the primary, while they barely get out to vote for Bernie or other supposedly "progressive". If the Bernie crew wants to have a place at the table appeal to our base or jump off the ship.

Huh. I thought Bernie cost Clinton the election.

PS: What if I told you that "POC" is not the base of the Democratic Party - at least in many states?

[James Monroe]

And people say Bernie supporters/the progressive wing is unreasonable and spiteful. Jesus Christ, this rabid Bernie derangement syndrome that the DNC and many Democratic voters have is going to hand Trump a second term.

Giving that Bernie's base is so insignificant and fringe in the political world that nothing will be lose of consequence. The Bernie Bros will forever keep raging against a system by claiming how the elite is rigging the primary, while they barely get out to vote for Bernie or other supposedly "progressive". If the Bernie crew wants to have a place at the table appeal to our base or jump off the ship.

Huh. I thought Bernie cost Clinton the election.

PS: What if I told you that "POC" is not the base of the Democratic Party - at least in many states?

Oh, Bernie was part of the smear campaign that help Clinton get defeated. I just think misogyny and Russia had a greater overall impact on deflecting Hillary from becoming president.


You'll be right in your statement, though it's the people that needs have to be most listen to if you want to win the party nomination.

[JA]

And people say Bernie supporters/the progressive wing is unreasonable and spiteful. Jesus Christ, this rabid Bernie derangement syndrome that the DNC and many Democratic voters have is going to hand Trump a second term.

Giving that Bernie's base is so insignificant and fringe in the political world that nothing will be lose of consequence. The Bernie Bros will forever keep raging against a system by claiming how the elite is rigging the primary, while they barely get out to vote for Bernie or other supposedly "progressive". If the Bernie crew wants to have a place at the table appeal to our base or jump off the ship.

Huh. I thought Bernie cost Clinton the election.

PS: What if I told you that "POC" is not the base of the Democratic Party - at least in many states?

Oh, Bernie was part of the smear campaign that help Clinton get defeated. I just think misogyny and Russia had a greater overall impact on deflecting Hillary from becoming president.


You'll be right in your statement, though it's the people that needs have to be most listen to if you want to win the party nomination.

Hillary lost because she was an awful campaigner, her team was incompetent, and the majority of Americans (rightfully) didn't like or trust her. Quit making excuses for a shitty candidate.

[DrScholl]

So what's the point of symbolic bullsh**t like this? to drive the far left away from the Democratic Party? to decrease the confidence in the Democratic party institutions?  It's not like it's gonna convince Bernie Sanders to all of a sudden run or not run for president.

The far left hardly supports the Democratic Party. The bulk of Sanders supporters in 2016 probably wouldn't even qualify as far left. With that said, the man is 80 so the chances of him being President are slim to none. The public is not going to support such an old person in the presidential primary or the election.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

And people say Bernie supporters/the progressive wing is unreasonable and spiteful. Jesus Christ, this rabid Bernie derangement syndrome that the DNC and many Democratic voters have is going to hand Trump a second term.

Giving that Bernie's base is so insignificant and fringe in the political world that nothing will be lose of consequence. The Bernie Bros will forever keep raging against a system by claiming how the elite is rigging the primary, while they barely get out to vote for Bernie or other supposedly "progressive". If the Bernie crew wants to have a place at the table appeal to our base or jump off the ship.

Huh. I thought Bernie cost Clinton the election.

PS: What if I told you that "POC" is not the base of the Democratic Party - at least in many states?

Oh, Bernie was part of the smear campaign that help Clinton get defeated. I just think misogyny and Russia had a greater overall impact on deflecting Hillary from becoming president.


You'll be right in your statement, though it's the people that needs have to be most listen to if you want to win the party nomination.

White people are still 58% of democratic voters in presidential (even higher % in midterms), and democratic primary voters are probably slightly more white (around 60%).

So yes, white people are still the base of the democratic party. Bernie actually did pretty poorly with some white people he should have been able to win (midwestern & appalachian-besides WV- whites).

[DrScholl]

No Democrat is going to win the presidency without winning the votes of minorities by large margins. Without minorities Democrats wouldn't even have a chance at winning several swing states (if you remove large diverse cities from purple states they will turn red).

[Rookie Yinzer]

So yes, white people are still the base of the democratic party. Bernie actually did pretty poorly with some white people he should have been able to win (midwestern & appalachian-besides WV- whites).

There was really no excuse for Bernie to lose Missouri, Kentucky, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Hell, he even could have kept Tennessee closer. There were swaths of white voters who he didn't appeal to so I'm not sure why that other poster went out of his way to declare POC were not the base... ok, and Bernie didn't appeal to enough white people either lol

No Democrat is going to win the presidency without winning the votes of minorities by large margins. Without minorities Democrats wouldn't even have a chance at winning several swing states (if you remove large diverse cities from purple states they will turn red).

The black, Latino, and young Obama '12 non-voters were more consequential than the "Obama -> Trump WWC voter" who supposedly would have voted for Bernie if he were on the ballot. Hopefully Senator Sanders can evolve in his rhetoric on how the Democratic Party should galvanize voters moving forward. I have been very turned off by some of his assertions. I have seen him turn the corner a bit on that, so thankfully someone has gotten in his ear.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

So yes, white people are still the base of the democratic party. Bernie actually did pretty poorly with some white people he should have been able to win (midwestern & appalachian-besides WV- whites).

There was really no excuse for Bernie to lose Missouri, Kentucky, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Hell, he even could have kept Tennessee closer. There were swaths of white voters who he didn't appeal to so I'm not sure why that other poster went out of his way to declare POC were not the base... ok, and Bernie didn't appeal to enough white people either lol

Exactly.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Oh boy, weird of the DNC to bar candidates from Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin, the states that don’t allow partisan registration.

Oh they’re not? Well then however do they expect to determine who is a Democrat and who isn’t?

And if not, why would they make such a vague and unenforceable rule?

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

No Democrat is going to win the presidency without winning the votes of minorities by large margins. Without minorities Democrats wouldn't even have a chance at winning several swing states (if you remove large diverse cities from purple states they will turn red).

The black, Latino, and young Obama '12 non-voters were more consequential than the "Obama -> Trump WWC voter" who supposedly would have voted for Bernie if he were on the ballot. Hopefully Senator Sanders can evolve in his rhetoric on how the Democratic Party should galvanize voters moving forward. I have been very turned off by some of his assertions. I have seen him turn the corner a bit on that, so thankfully someone has gotten in his ear.

If we're talking about pure numbers, this is incorrect. There were about 6 million Obama --> Trump voters. If they all voted for Hillary instead of Trump, that would be a net gain of 12 million in Hillary's margins. You can turn out twice as many Latinos (which is almost impossible b/c that would be 92% turnout) and you still wouldn't get the same net gain as simply keeping all of the Obama --> Trump voters.

Turning out black people is a slightly better strategy, but even a whopping 100% black turnout would not give the same margin as simply keeping all of the Obama --> Trump voters.

I'm not saying what strategy the democratic party should do. I am just saying this strategy of trying to turn out young people + miniorities (and good f'ing luck turning out young latinos...) without focusing on swing voters is OK in the Popular Vote, poor in the electoral college, and bad in midterms... and a complete disaster in the Senate, which is comprised of many rural white states. The democratic party relies on a ton of old white people (they get about 40% of the old white vote). Even Obama got a lot of old white people to vote for him in 2008. Not as much in 2012, but still got plenty of them to vote for him.


Granted, I am of the opinion that by Nov 2020, Trump will be so damaged that anyone even marginally better than Hillary would easily win. But the educated white + young + miniority coalition is not as effective as people hype it up to be... you need to add something else to it. Obama added midwestern whites to this coalition.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

No Democrat is going to win the presidency without winning the votes of minorities by large margins. Without minorities Democrats wouldn't even have a chance at winning several swing states (if you remove large diverse cities from purple states they will turn red).

The black, Latino, and young Obama '12 non-voters were more consequential than the "Obama -> Trump WWC voter" who supposedly would have voted for Bernie if he were on the ballot. Hopefully Senator Sanders can evolve in his rhetoric on how the Democratic Party should galvanize voters moving forward. I have been very turned off by some of his assertions. I have seen him turn the corner a bit on that, so thankfully someone has gotten in his ear.

If we're talking about pure numbers, this is incorrect. There were about 6 million Obama --> Trump voters. If they all voted for Hillary instead of Trump, that would be a net gain of 12 million in Hillary's margins. You can turn out twice as many Latinos (which is almost impossible b/c that would be 92% turnout) and you still wouldn't get the same net gain as simply keeping all of the Obama --> Trump voters.

Turning out black people is a slightly better strategy, but even a whopping 100% black turnout would not give the same margin as simply keeping all of the Obama --> Trump voters.

I'm not saying what strategy the democratic party should do. I am just saying this strategy of trying to turn out young people + miniorities (and good f'ing luck turning out young latinos...) without focusing on swing voters is OK in the Popular Vote, poor in the electoral college, and bad in midterms... and a complete disaster in the Senate, which is comprised of many rural white states. The democratic party relies on a ton of old white people (they get about 40% of the old white vote). Even Obama got a lot of old white people to vote for him in 2008. Not as much in 2012, but still got plenty of them to vote for him.


The educated white + young + miniority coalition is not as effective as people hype it up to be... you need to add something else to it. Obama added midwestern whites to this coalition.