are homosexuals more liberal than the general population?

[Richard]

Um... the right to marry?  The right to adopt?

*yawn* I can already do those.

[Joe Republic]

Perhaps now, but a large portion of the Republican Party would gladly take those rights away.

[Richard]

Perhaps now, but a large portion of the Republican Party would gladly take those rights away.

They want to take marriage away?  And adoption?  Unlikely.

[Joe Republic]

Don't be facetious.  You know I meant gay marriage and gay adoption.  Both of these are completely at odds with a large part of the GOP.

[Bono]

Don't be facetious.  You know I meant gay marriage and gay adoption.  Both of these are completely at odds with a large part of the GOP.

Gay have exactly the same marriage rights than straigh people: the right to marry a person of the oposite sex.
They can hook up with a same sex person, hell, I even agree they couples should be equally treated regardless of composition, but don't call it marriage, becuase it isn't such.

[Alcon]

Don't be facetious.  You know I meant gay marriage and gay adoption.  Both of these are completely at odds with a large part of the GOP.

Gay have exactly the same marriage rights than straigh people: the right to marry a person of the oposite sex.
They can hook up with a same sex person, hell, I even agree they couples should be equally treated regardless of composition, but don't call it marriage, becuase it isn't such.

They do not, however, have the right to marry someone they love.

[Bono]

Don't be facetious.  You know I meant gay marriage and gay adoption.  Both of these are completely at odds with a large part of the GOP.

Gay have exactly the same marriage rights than straigh people: the right to marry a person of the oposite sex.
They can hook up with a same sex person, hell, I even agree they couples should be equally treated regardless of composition, but don't call it marriage, becuase it isn't such.

They do not, however, have the right to marry someone they love.

No, because that's not marriage.
The treatment the left tries to give to the word marriage reminds me of the Ministry fo Truth.

[Alcon]

Don't be facetious.  You know I meant gay marriage and gay adoption.  Both of these are completely at odds with a large part of the GOP.

Gay have exactly the same marriage rights than straigh people: the right to marry a person of the oposite sex.
They can hook up with a same sex person, hell, I even agree they couples should be equally treated regardless of composition, but don't call it marriage, becuase it isn't such.

They do not, however, have the right to marry someone they love.

No, because that's not marriage.
The treatment the left tries to give to the word marriage reminds me of the Ministry fo Truth.

The "marriage is between a man and a woman" argument has always struck me like arguing against a tax decrease by saying "the current tax level is 17%." Well, yes. Isn't that sort of the point? When a law is trying to change something, defending it by stating the current situation is - to me - stupid.

[WalterMitty]

john kerry was *more* in favor of gay marriage than was bush?

how does one arrive at that conclusion.  if i remember correctly, john kerry endorsed the missouri constitutional amendment that banned gay marriage.

kerry wanted to ban gay marriage at the state level.  how in the hell is that being 'more' in favor of gay marriage?

[A18]

Definitions are not legislated. You don't decide you don't like what the word 'is' means, and pass a law to change it.

This is a matter of factual accuracy. The word 'marriage' has been treated much like the word 'gender' as of late.

[opebo]

Definitions are not legislated.

Yes, they are.  We legislate the definition of all sorts of politically created phenomena, like 'murder', 'marriage', and 'property'. 

[Alcon]

Definitions are not legislated. You don't decide you don't like what the word 'is' means, and pass a law to change it.

This is a matter of factual accuracy. The word 'marriage' has been treated much like the word 'gender' as of late.

"Is" is not a legal procedure. Marriage, on the other hand, is. "Is" is not within the pervue of the legislative system; but marriage laws are legislation.

[angus]

of course i vote no.

I voted no, but it's a guess, as I've seen no data.  It'd be rather hard to come up with it too, I imagine, given the small (~11% of the general population?) sample size.  That said, I've met gay men and women who are plutocrats, and those that were socialists, and everything in between, so it seems that there's no particular aversion to either Karl Marx or Marie Antionette among gays, in my anecdotal experience.

[bullmoose88]

of course i vote no.

I voted no, but it's a guess, as I've seen no data.  It'd be rather hard to come up with it too, I imagine, given the small (~11% of the general population?) sample size.  That said, I've met gay men and women who are plutocrats, and those that were socialists, and everything in between, so it seems that there's no particular aversion to either Karl Marx or Marie Antionette among gays, in my anecdotal experience.

Bingo.

[A18]

Definitions are not legislated. You don't decide you don't like what the word 'is' means, and pass a law to change it.

This is a matter of factual accuracy. The word 'marriage' has been treated much like the word 'gender' as of late.

"Is" is not a legal procedure. Marriage, on the other hand, is. "Is" is not within the pervue of the legislative system; but marriage laws are legislation.

It has a definition apart from the law, much like murder and theft. We're saying the law should match the definitions.

[opebo]

Definitions are not legislated. You don't decide you don't like what the word 'is' means, and pass a law to change it.

This is a matter of factual accuracy. The word 'marriage' has been treated much like the word 'gender' as of late.

"Is" is not a legal procedure. Marriage, on the other hand, is. "Is" is not within the pervue of the legislative system; but marriage laws are legislation.

It has a definition apart from the law, much like murder and theft. We're saying the law should match the definitions.

Why should it?  I would prefer to change the law and the 'definition'.

[A18]

You can amendment the Constitution to call the president the 'chief slave' if you want to, but it's pretty dumb.

[opebo]

You can amendment the Constitution to call the president the 'chief slave' if you want to, but it's pretty dumb.

Nah, it isn't 'dumb' to allow a large number of citizens access to a legal right because they want it badly, and providing such access has no effect at all upon other citizens.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

john kerry was *more* in favor of gay marriage than was bush?

how does one arrive at that conclusion.  if i remember correctly, john kerry endorsed the missouri constitutional amendment that banned gay marriage.

kerry wanted to ban gay marriage at the state level.  how in the hell is that being 'more' in favor of gay marriage?

He was against the FMA.

He voted against DOMA.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

The exit polls in 2000 and 2004 indicate that somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of gays voted for Bush.  I suspect that self-identifying Republicans would actually be a little higher than that (folks who regularly vote for GOP local candidates and moderate congressional candidates).

Gay men are probably more conservative than lesbians, though I actually know some very conservative lesbians.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

There was actually a poll done a couple of years ago among gays and lesbians and it covered political ID topics - I'll have to dig around to find that though.

[Platypus]

Socially more liberal, economically (slightly) more right wing on average, and usually peacniks. I'm a little bit of a hawk, so I don't quite fit the average, but hey.

[danwxman]

I would definetely say homosexuals are more liberal then the general population, only because conservatism is anti-gay rights. And that's really the only reason. Homosexuals on average have higher incomes then the general population, they *should* be voting Republican, but they are not voting for the anti-gay party.