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« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2021, 09:39:47 PM »

Wonder how the senate results are. 
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« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2021, 02:53:39 PM »

Surprised Texas was so close to single digits and surprised that T-Mac managed to keep Ohio as well .
Let’s hope this loss doesn’t lead to a tea party candidate like Cruz or Rand in 2020 as that would be the wrong lessons from the loss .


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« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2021, 03:00:48 PM »

Once President Johnson is fully done , I will be doing the next scenario which will be  Nixon vs Humphrey vs a Dixiecrat candidate in 1960 instead of 1968
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« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2021, 01:55:56 AM »

NBC's preview of the 1960 election:

Brinkley: As you all may know , tomorrow night is the election and due to that NBC News will be cancelling all regular programming to give you constant coverage of the election beginning at 7 PM Eastern Tommorow.  

Huntley: So what are somethings we will be looking for to give us a clue how the election is going. Well to make things easier we want to show a chart we created which maps out all 50 states in the union and as you can see we have colored each state as well and to let you know what each of these colors mean lets go to John Chancellor

Chancellor: Tomorrow night when we cover the election , we will be putting colored stickers on each of the states as we call them throughout the night : Blue for Vice President Nixon, Red for Senator Humphrey, Purple for Governor Faubus and Green for states we are unable to make projections in. Now to get a good idea where we think the election stands we have colored each state as of today in one of those 4 colors , with the lighter color meaning we believe it leans to a candidate and the darker color meaning we believe we can safely assume a candidate will win it. As you can see from our map this is arguably the most open race we have ever had in our lifetimes




Vice President Richard Nixon(R-CA)/Senator Everett Dirksen(R-IL) 122 44%
Senator Hubert Humphrey(D-MN)/Senator Stuart Symington(D-MO) 114 44%
Governor Orval Faubus(I-AR)/Former Governor Thomas Stanley(I-VA)

Brinkley: The goal of Mr.Faubus like the goal of Mr.Thurmond in 1948 is to get enough electoral votes to force the election in the house to delay actions on civil rights. Vice President Nixon in an attempt to stop that from happening has campaigned a lot in places like North Carolina , Tennessee and of course Texas as well as create a wider path to victory.


Huntley: My opinion is that one who wins 2 of the big industrial battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Illionis because I think whoever is in good shape for the presidency. Then later on Texas and California become critical and with a t total of 56 electoral votes could decude the whole ball game
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« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2021, 05:13:28 PM »

1960 NBC Election Night Coverage(Part 1):

7:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8dPRhuE1s&t=145s

Brinkley: Good Evening and Welcome to NBC's coverage of the 1960 election where we will be finding out whether Richard Nixon will fulfill his lifelong goal of becoming President of the United States or will Hubert Humphrey fulfill his goal of ushering in a new liberal age not seen since FDR or whether the Dixiecrats become successful in their efforts to throw the election to the House of Representatives.

Chancellor: To make it easy for all of you viewers at home when we call a state we will be putting stickers on a map and the code for the stickers will be a blue square if we project Vice President Nixon wins a state, a red rectangle if Senator Humphrey wins a state, a purple triangle if Governor Faubus wins a state and a green circle if we are unable to make a projection. This will make it easy for you whether you are watching in color or black and white so lets begin


Huntley: Yes as you can see we have already projected that Indiana has been won by Vice President Nixon and we can also project that the solidly Republican New England states of Vermont and New Hampshire will also be won by Vice President Nixon. At this moment we are unable to make projections in Florida, Georgia,  South Carolina, Virginia and Kentucky.



Nixon 20
Humphrey 0
Faubus 0


Brinkley: So Far no surprise in any of the states as so far we have been only been able to call the states that we had classified as solid.

Chancellor: The fact that Georgia and South Carolina havent been called at poll closing time does bode some good news for the Vice President but again we never were able to classify those states as solid either.


7:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8dPRhuE1s&t=145s



Nixon 20
Faubus 8
Humphrey 0

Brinkley: Its 7:30 PM in the East and so far we are unable to make a projection in Ohio, West Virginia or North Carolina but we can project that Governor Faubus will win the state of South Carolina giving the Dixiecrats their first state of the night.

Huntley: So Far in Georgia- Governor Faubus has run away to a pretty sizable lead but not much has come in yet so we would like to wait another 15-20 minutes before making a decision there, and also leads narrowly in Virginia thanks to strong performances in the rural parts of the state with the exception of the South West though Vice President Nixon is doing good in the Richmond Area, Virginia Beach and the northern part of the state so this state will be close. In Kentucky the Vice President leads but there is a lot left to go


7:48:

Brinkley: NBC News is able to project in the state of Georgia- Governor Faubus will win the state and with that is beginning to color the deep south in Dixiecrat Purple like expected.



Nixon 20
Faubus 20
Humphrey 0

Huntley: One good news for the Nixon camp in the South is that Governor Faubus is not doing that well in the Appalachian parts of the south like the Governor hopes which could be critical in close states such as Virginia, North Carolina or Tennessee in the end but we will have to see. As for West Virginia , Senator Humphrey is leading but not much of the vote has come in yet for us to call it at the moment


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« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2021, 01:52:14 AM »

1960 NBC Election Night Coverage(Part 2):



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0W4Dkl_mk

8:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8dPRhuE1s&t=145s

Brinkley: It is 8 PM in the East and we have a bunch of poll closing and NBC news can now project that Vice President Nixon will win the states of - Maine, Kansas and Oklahoma , Senator Humphrey will win the state of Massachusetts while Governor Faubus will win the deep south states of Alabama and Mississippi . We are currently unable to make projections in Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Michigan, Illinois, Missouri , Tennessee , Florida and Texas.



Nixon 41
Faubus 39
Humphrey 16


Huntley: We also have some breaking news to project at this time and that is

Breaking News: Democrats to Retain Control of the House of Representatives and United States Senate

Huntley: That is NBC News can now project that Democrats will retain Control of Both Houses of Congress, although their majoirty in the house will be reduced but by how much we dont know yet. In the Senate we can make that projection as Democrats like expected have swept the 7 southern states that have closed their polls so far and with them also projected to win the border state of West Virginia they will have the 8 they need to control the seante no matter what happens for the rest of the night.

Chancellor: Also in the House we are able to say that Democrats will have at least 250 house seats at the end of the night and that number could go as high as 270 so there will be losses but that is expected as sorta of a correction after the huge landslide win two years ago.

Huntley: Yes it is and one thing to add if the number is in the lower end of the spectrum , then very likely Vice President Nixon will have won but if its at the higher end then it will be more likely that Senator Humphrey will win

Brinkley: Back to the presidential race so far in Ohio - Vice President Nixon holds the lead and we are told he is doing good for a Republican in the Cleveland area so far but of course there is much of count, in West Virginia- Senator Humphrey currently holds a 5 point lead with nearly a third of the vote in and looks in good shape of taking that state, in North Carolina- so far its very close with Governor Faubus having a narrow lead but there is still more than 2/3 out and in Virginia- Governor Faubus leads so far but that is more with the rural parts of the state in. When Richmond and Virginia beach come in it likely will make it very close there . Northern Virginia we have no idea how it will go cause it usually a swing region in the state but if Senator Humphrey is able to hold up the democratic share of the vote their like he is doing in Appalachia than Northern Virginia could provide pretty decent margins for Vice President Nixon.

 

8:30

Brinkley: The polls have just closed in Arkansas and we can now project that Governor Faubus will carry his home state. We can also project at this time that Senator Humphrey will carry the state of West Virginia and take its 8 electoral votes and Vice President Nixon will take Kentucky and its 10 electoral votes



Nixon 51
Faubus 47
Humphrey 24

Huntley: Kentucky was a state while a tossup , out of all the tossups the state most likely to go to Vice President Nixon so this isnt really much of a surprise as remember Kentucky started counting votes two and a half hours ago so more than 70% of the vote has come in and we are able to say he will win the state.

Chancellor: I agree with that point. David how is it going in key states

Brinkley: Well so far like expected its expected to be a tossup with the suburban and rural parts of the state like expected going for Vice President Nixon and Chicago going for Senator Humphrey. This is a state that Vice President Nixon narrowly leads in at the moment but their is a long way to go and could potentially decide the president.


8:48

Huntley: NBC news can now project that Vice President Nixon will be the winner of Ohio and its 25 electoral votes while Senator Humphrey will carry the North Eastern state of Connecticut and its 8 electoral votes 




Nixon 76
Faubus 47
Humphrey 32


Brinkley: In Maryland so far Senator Humphrey is leading 45-41-13 so the state is definitely leaning in his column but we dont have enough information to project the state yet . So Chet what would you say are some of the keys to look in Texas which many consider to be a major swing state this year

Huntley: Well basically the fact is we know in Texas that the Senator Humphrey will really do well in Austin, San Antonio, El Paso and in the border counties , while Vice President Nixon will do well   in  Dallas, do well in Houston and the Texas Panhandle while Governor Faubus will do really well in Eastern Texas and could potentially also do well in the outer suburbs of Dallas . Now the question is in Texas is the rural western counties that could decide the state , and of course the margins as well in the strongholds. Ill say one key margin is does Harris County vote for the Republicans by double digits or not cause if it does then its very likely they win the state.



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« Reply #56 on: April 08, 2021, 02:11:47 PM »

If Nixon takes Ohio and Kentucky that early on, he's absolutely going to win.

Well to be fair Nixon did win both states  by 7 and in those days I think they were much more quicker to call states .

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« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2021, 07:47:07 PM »

1960 NBC Election Night Coverage(Part 3):



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0W4Dkl_mk

9:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8dPRhuE1s&t=145s

Brinkley: Its 9 PM in the East and NBC can now project Vice President Nixon will carry the states of Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, South Dakota and Wyoming, while Senator Humphrey will carry the states of Rhode Island , Minnesota and also will carry the home state of his running mate Missouri . We are unable to make a projection in New York, Wisconsin , Louisiana, New Mexico and North Dakota at the moment



Nixon 99
Humphrey 60
Faubus 47

Huntley: So Far in Pennsylvania , Senator Humphrey still holds a solid lead but remember much of suburban and rural parts of Pennsylvania havent come in yet which will almost certainly tighten up the margin and looking at these results, it looks like it will be close even though at this moment Senator Humphrey has the edge here in Pennsylvania. In Michigan , Vice President Nixon currently holds a lead but there is still much of Detroit left out and in Illionis currently Vice President Nixon holds the lead due to a strong performance in the Collar Counties and Downstate but remember there is still much to count. In Texas Vice president Nixon holds a 3 point lead so far but there is still much to count but in one bad news for the Vice President in the south is in Virginia where it seems like in northern virginia , Mr.Faubus is pulling votes from both camps which could put more pressure for Richmond and Virginia Beach to deliver the state for Vice President Nixon. In Tenneesse though so far Vice President Nixon is leading thanks to a strong performance in the Eastern half of the state but their is of course a long way to go.


9:33

Huntley: NBC News is now able to project that Senator Humphrey will carry Maryland, Governor Faubus will carryLouisiana and Vice president Nixon will carry North Dakota




Nixon 103
Humphrey 69
Faubus 57

Chancellor: So far in Illionis , Vice President Nixon is still leading by a point or two but only 60% of th vote is in so far so there is still much to go. In Texas again Vice President Nixon is ahead but as more preceients come in , his lead continues to drop here as more of the democratic areas of the state reports in. In Wisconsin Vice President Humphrey holds a narrow lead so far but there is still obvisouly much of the state to report.

We do have some major news to project so far and that is in the senate race in Wyoming the Republican Edwin Thompson will be elected marking the first senate flip so far as every other race so far has seen the party currently holding it win.


Brinkley: One interesting state so far is Florida as out of all the southern states it is the best state Mr.Nixon is doing in

Huntley: Well much of that is out of all the southern states, Florida is the least southern so its not a surprise that Governor Faubus isnt doing as well here outside the panhandle and I wouldnt be surprised if we could soon call it for Mr.Nixon


9:48:

Brinkley: We have a major state we can project for Senator Humphrey and it is a big won as we can project he will win New York an its 45 electoral votes. We also can project that Vice President Nixon will take his first southern state of the night and that is Florida and its 10 electoral votes




Humphrey 114
Nixon 113
Faubus 57


Huntley: Wow the electoral total is so close with only 1 electoral vote separating Mr. Humphrey and Mr.Nixon . I think at this point the question has to be asked whether or not any side will even win a majority of electoral votes cause if it stays this close , that is probably what the outcome will be.


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« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2021, 01:36:58 AM »

1960 NBC Election Night Coverage(Part 4):



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0W4Dkl_mk

10:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8dPRhuE1s&t=145s

Brinkley: Its 10 PM in the east and we can project Vice President Nixon will carry the states of Utah and Idaho as expected and with that retakes the lead in the electoral college race. We are though unable to project the states of Iowa, Montana or Nevada at the moment



Nixon 121
Humphrey 114
Faubus 57


Brinkey: So Chet were are some of the updates in the major industrial battlegrounds and Texas


Huntley: In Illionis with nearly 3/4 of the vote , Vice President Nixon has expanded his lead to nearly 1.5 points but the most of the remainder vote will be in Chicago metro the question is it will it be int the city or suburbs or a mix so we will wait on this state for another hour and a half to two hours. In Wisconsin Senator Humphrey leads by 2 points right now, in Michigan Vice President Nixon is still up 2 points but we are told that most of the votes outstanding will be from the Detroit area, in Pennsylvania Vice President Humphrey is still up by 4 points, and in New Jersey both candidates are trading leads as results come in so that will go down to the wire. The really good news here for Mr.Nixon is in Texas where he holds a 3 point lead even after many of the Democratic areas have started to come in . So at this point John what would you say are the pathaways to the white house.


Chancellor: Well taking my calculator here and if you added the 3 uncalled races in the west and Iowa what are expected to go for Mr.Nixon then you get to 142 electoral votes for the Vice President and then given out of all these battleground states he is doing the best in Texas which has 24 electoral votes and Illionis which has 27 you get to Mr.Nixon having 193 electoral votes. Now id say any path probably involves the 3 states on the west coast to California, Oregon and Washington so if you add those electoral votes to the Vice President column , he gets to 240 electoral votes which is just 29 short. So at that point you can have different pathways to get there. From there id say the easiest path is a hybrid path of taking one southern state and for sake of argument lets say Tennessee which gets him to 251, one in the North East New jersey which gets him to 267 and from there he just needs any one state to get over the top .


For Vice President Humphrey id say is by adding to his column these 4 states and they are a must , New Jersey with with 16,  Pennsylvania with 32, Michigan with 20 and Wisconsin with 12 which would take him to 194 electoral votes. Now from there id say he must win either Illionis or Texas , and right now Illinois is looking better for him than Texas so lets give him Illinois which would give him 221 electoral votes. Then from there id say he must win California  , Washington and probably even Oregon which then would give him 268 electoral votes. From there all Senator Humphrey would need either Hawaii or Alaska and he gets over.


Though as you can see its very probably that neither men get to 270 as it requires taking many of the big states.


10:36:

Huntley: NBC News is now able to project Vice President Nixon in the winner of 3 states, two of them that really arent surprising which are the states of Iowa and New Mexico but we can also project him the winner of a battleground state as well and while it is a small state , in an election like this it could be critical and that is we can now project with all the ballots being counted, that the state of Delaware will be won by Vice President Nixon now.



Nixon 138
Humphrey 114
Faubus 57

Huntley: So David how are things looking in the 3 southern states that are close between Mr.Nixon and Mr.Faubus

Brinkley: Well lets look at the results and so far we can see with nearly 80% in Tennessee at the moment Vice President Nixon currently leads Mr.Faubus 39%-36% there , with nearly 85% in North Carolina , Mr Faubus currently holds a 42% to 37% lead and with a little more than 90% in Virginia Mr.Faubus holds a 37% to 35% lead . At this point in Tennessee i would say Mr. Nixon is favored but only sightly so , while in Virginia its gonna be a nail biter but in North Carolina its  hard to see how Mr.Faubus doesnt win the state at this point.

Huntley: Well yes I agree and it seems like our team calling these states also agrees as  they have just called North Carolina and its 14 electoral votes for Governor Faubus.




Nixon 138
Humphrey 114
Faubus 71


Chancellor: Now we will send it back to your local stations so you can have coverage of your local results and we will be back at the top of the hour when polls in the west coast close.

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« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2021, 09:26:54 PM »

1960 NBC Election Night Coverage(Part 5):



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0W4Dkl_mk

11:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8dPRhuE1s&t=145s

Brinkley: The polls have just closed in the west and currently we are unable to make a projections in any of the states of California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii . We though will be able to project that Vice President Nixon will carry the western state of  Nevada and its 3 electoral votes



Nixon 141
Humphrey 114
Faubus 71


Huntley: With polls have basically closed in every state lets look at our updated House forcast where we are able to say that the Democrats will have anywhere from 253-263 seats at the end of tonight meaning Republicans will gain at least 21 house seats but could gain as much as 31. Also remember due to Alaska and Hawaii being admitted as states there will be a total of 437 house seats for just this cycle given redistricting will happen after this one and once it does the house will return to having 435 seats.

Chancellor: Despite this year being far better for the Republicans than it was in 1958 , the losses in 1958 still very well may have cost them an ability to get the majority this cycle or even close really.
Getting back to the Presidential race in two key battlegrounds , we can see that in Texas Vice President Nixon currently holds a lead of 4 points and in Pennsylvania Senator Humphrey has taken a 2 point lead so at this moment both those states very likely be called soon.

Huntley: Well we will take a commercial break and we will see when we come back if we can call those states


11:12

Brinkley: Welcome back and NBC news is ready to make projections in two huge battleground states , one for each candidate and that is in Pennsylvania - we can project that Senator Humphrey will take the state and its 32 critical electoral votes and in Texas we can project that Vice President Nixon will take the state and its 24 critical electoral votes.




Nixon 165
Humphrey 146
Faubus 71


Joining us now is an top aide to Vice President Nixon's campaign and he is with John

Chancellor: How are you feeling looking at the results so far

Nixon Aide: At this point I believe we are in good shape to win though there is still some time to go.

Chancellor: How would you outline your path to victory at this moment

Nixon Aide: Well first looking at some of these outstanding battlegrounds I believe the lead we have in Illionis is safe at this point and we will cary that critical state along with Montana for sure giving us 196 electoral votes . Now while its way to early to say what will happen in the west , I am confident we will win California ,  Oregon and Washington from what we saw in our internal polling before election day and on election day itself even though by narrow margins. So if you do that it get us to 243 electoral votes just 26 short of the magic number of 269. Add in Tennessee where things are looking good and we get to 254 votes which just makes us 15 short.

Now its from that point where Id say the rest of the states are up in the air but either Michigan or New Jersey alone would put us over the top or winning either Virginia or Wisconsin along with wither Alaska or Hawaii would do it .


Huntely: Yes and at this point Senator Humphrey cannot afford to lose any state he has a chance he can win in as if you take out Tenneesse and Virignia from the outstanding electoral votes you can see only 132 electoral votes are left outstanding , out of which Mr.Hunmphrey needs 123 to get over the top.


Brinkley: As if you remember we asked Senator Humphrey earlier what hed do in a deadlocked election knowing the South could hold the balance in the house. Heres what he said


Humphrey: Well in that case there are many things we believe we can do from the election to when the electoral college meets to procure the extra electoral votes needed to get to a majority but even if the worst comes to worst and the election gets thrown to the House I will stick with my principles and hope the House elects me cause I can tell you that I will not under any circumstance reverse my position on civil rights to win.

Brinkley: What if the house is unable to pick a winner due to nobody able to get to 26 state delegations

Humphrey: well then the senate will effectively pick who our next President is and given the fact that only the top 2 candidates move on in a senate election , I believe Stuart Symington would win and be our next President and I am confident he will do a great job as President.


11:35:

Huntley: Humphrey headquarters must be able to breath a sigh of relief for now as NBC News can project that Wisconsin and its 12 electoral votes will be won by Senator Humphrey .



Nixon 165
Humphrey 158
Faubus 71


Chancellor: Some more good news for the Humphrey camp is that Senator Humphrey has just taken the lead in Michigan though he currently narrowly trails in New Jersey though the state still is anyone's ball game. In Virginia with 95% in , Vice President Nixon trails and the outcome will largely depend on how the rest of Northern Virginia comes in. Early on it didnt seem like Vice President Nixon was getting the numbers he needed there but other batches of votes has shown he has so if the batches are more similar to how they were early on hed narrowly lose , if they are more similar to how they have been later on he will narrowly win thanks to a dominant performance in Richmond.
Tennessee Vice President is still up by slightly more than 3 points so it definitely looks like he will win the state.


11:47

Brinkley: Some huge news for people in the Nixon camp and that is he will carry the state of Tennessee and its 11 electoral votes marking another win in the South for the Vice President



Nixon 176
Humphrey 158
Faubus 71


Huntley: That is big cause if he wins the states on the west coast , and Illionis he will just need either Michigan or New Jersey to win the election.

Brinkley: Well Illionis at this point seems almost certain but we will wait till the top of the hour before calling that so the question is how is he doing out west.

Chancellor: Not so much has come in yet but a piece of good news is he is leading in Los Angeles County the largest county in California so far and a county Democrats must win to win the state while its not a county Republicans necessarily need . In Oregon , similarly in their largest county which is Multnomah County Vice President Nixon is up which again is a county Democrats need to win the state but not the Republicans and the same is true in Washington where he is leading in King County the largest county in the state and a county considered a bellwether there. So at the moment the west is looking good for him.

Brinkley: So at this point it looks like our next President will be Richard Nixon or Stuart Symington

Huntley: I wouldnt be so sure of that cause even if Governor Faubus wins Virginia he will end up with only 83 electoral votes and if Senator Humphrey takes Michigan like he is expected to he will have 178 more than double Governor Faubus

Brinkley: But in that case its still sent to the house were it likely will be deadlocked

Huntley: Not Necessarily as remember the house takes the top 3 candidates after the electoral college votes and what we know tonight is how many electoral votes are pledged to one candidate but not know exactly how it will end up. Reason is with 178 electoral votes Senator Humphrey can have 85 of his electoral votes votes for Symington for President and Humphrey for vice President meaning the house will choose from Nixon Humphrey and Symington and not Faubus .

So really we will have to see how it goes but that is a possible scenario

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« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2021, 12:23:05 AM »

1960 NBC Election Night Coverage(Part 5):



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0W4Dkl_mk

12:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8dPRhuE1s&t=145s

Brinkley: Its midnight meaning the polls have closed in Alaska but we are unable to make a projection at this moment but we are ready to make a major projection and that is Vice President Nixon will carry the critical state of Illionis and its 27 electoral votes and also the home state of his running mate Everett Dirksen. We are also able to project he will win Montana and its 4 electoral votes



Nixon 207
Humphrey 158
Faubus 71


Huntley: Senator Humphrey has now taken an one point lead in Michigan with 95% of the vote in , and in New Jersey again remains a virtual dead heat and its looking like at this point either New Jersey or Virginia will decide whether Vice President Nixon crosses the threshold or not though a win out west espically in California could change that calculation.

Chancellor: Yes it very much could and dont forget Alaska and Hawaii the two new states which could be critical as well.


12:38:

Brinkley: We have a projection that will bring a temporary sigh of relief to people in the Humphrey camp as we can now project he will win the state of Michigan and its 20 major electoral votes. On the other hand, we can now project that Vice President Nixon will carry Oregon and its 6 electoral votes and with it carrying another Western state.



Nixon 213
Humphrey 178
Faubus 71

Chancellor: The rest of the west looks good for Mr.Nixon as well but due to the size of California we are gonna wait till the top of the next hour to really see if we can make a projection but we have another projection we can make and that is the Republican Orvin B. Fjare will be the next senator of the state meaning they will have two more senate seats when the night is all over.


12:52:

Brinkley: Yet another Western state will go in the Nixon column as we can project he will carry the state of Washington and its 9 electoral votes



Nixon 222
Humphrey 178
Faubus 71

Huntley: Vice President Nixon in California has taken a 4 point lead and leads in LA County but the biggest news is Mr.Nixon has just taken the lead in Virginia which means if he holds on to his lead in California he will have 266 electoral votes and if he loses New Jersey, either Alaska or Hawaii will decide whether or not he can win outright or not. Not bad for a new state
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« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2021, 06:59:07 PM »

1960 NBC Election Night Coverage(Part 6):



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0W4Dkl_mk

1:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8dPRhuE1s&t=145s

Brinkley: We can now project another state for the Vice President and that is his home state of California and its 32 electoral votes as he inches closer to the finish line with the only question now will he get there



Nixon 254
Humphrey 178
Faubus 71

Huntley: In Virginia the Vice President has a quarter of a percentage lead with 99% of the vote and in New Jersey , Senator Humphrey has a similar lead with around of the 97% in

Chancellor: Well if they go the way they are trending right now that means we will be waiting on Hawaii and Alaska before we know who has won the presidency which means we will not have a winner until at least 10 ET tomorrow morning due to how slow votes are counted there.


Brinkley: One big thing I would note is this election does show the power of the West as the West really is what propelled the Vice President to this point and if he wins , to victory as without basically sweeping the West , there is no shot hed have swept the West. On the flip side it seems like other than upper new England the North East is becoming Democratic territory even in close elections so it seems with the Midwest being split with the plains and places like Indiana and Ohio Republican with the upper Midwest Democratic. The South though is the real question mark


Huntley: Well the South could very much be a volatile region where we see huge swings back and forth but after the way it deserted the Democratic party this time around with every state voting for Mr.Nixon or Mr.Faubus I dont think it will every be as solidly Democratic as it used to be at the presidential level. So really id say the South and Illinois will be the battleground we will probably be looking at for the next decade or two.


Chancellor: Yes i definitely agree with that


1:48:

Brinkley: We have a major projection to make and that is Virginia the home state of Governor Faubus's running mate will be carried by Vice President Nixon and with it he will carry its crucial 12 electoral votes meaning as long as he carries any one of the outstanding states he will be President-Elect.



Nixon 266
Humphrey 178
Faubus 71


Huntley: A fun fact is that if this was under the old math , then Mr.Nixon would have exactly the amount of EV he needs to be elected but this year you will need 269 meaning he just needs one more state to win the election.

Chancellor: New Jersey is looking more and more unlikely as Mr.Nixon trails there and according to our decision desk more of the Democratic areas areas are still to come in so really id say we wont know the winner until 10 in the morning at least



2:07:

Huntley: Well with 99% of the vote in New Jersey and with Mr.Humphrey up by a fourth of a percentage point we can project that Senator Humphrey will carry New Jersey and its 16 electoral votes



Nixon 266
Humphrey 194
Faubus 71


Brinkley: That means that the election will come down to either Alaska or Hawaii , with the Vice President needing just one of them and Senator Humphrey needing the both of them to have a chance to potentially win in the house.

Chancellor: In the House of Representatives the final numbers will be 255 Democrats to 182 Republicans, meaning the Republicans will have picked up a net of 29 seats tonight in the House. Alright since Alaska and Hawaii we are told we wont be able to make a projection until 10 AM Eastern time, we will take a break and continue our election coverage this morning at 9:45 AM Eastern time so we will see you then.
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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2021, 07:15:42 PM »

1960 NBC Election Night Coverage(Part 7):



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0W4Dkl_mk

9:45
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Brinkley: Welcome back to NBC's coverage of the 1960 election where we are waiting for the results of Alaska and Hawaii to see whether or not Vice President Nixon will get to the 269 electoral votes he needs to be elected or whether this election will be decided by Congress or faithless electors. To remind of how the election has gone so far lets look at the map




Nixon 266
Humphrey 194
Faubus 71


Huntley: As you can see the Vice President only needs one of Alaska or Hawaii to be elected and right now he currently leads in Alaska by 4 points with 45% of the vote in and we are told at around 10 Am another 35 to 40% of precincts will be reported so we will have a better idea of who won the state then. In Hawaii with 40% of the vote in , the Vice President leads by 2 points and similarly we are told 35% to 40% of precients will come in the next 15 minutes.

Chancellor: We are also told that all of Alaska will be in by 11:45 and Hawaii by noon so we should know the final outcome in the next couple of hours.


10:00:


Brinkley: A huge batch of votes have just come in and so far the Vice President leads by 4 points with 82% of the vote in Alaska and 2 points with 78% of the vote in marking not much of a change with this batch.

Chancellor: At this point id say its almost certian Vice President Nixon will win Alaska and take the presidency

Huntley: Yes it looks likely but are decision desk has said they will wait another 30 minutes before marking a decision


10:32:

Breaking News: Richard Milhous Nixon elected the 35th President of the United States
Brinkley: At 10:32 AM Eastern Time Vice President Nixon was elected President of the United States as the NBC decision team has just given Alaska to Nixon and that gives him the election



Nixon 269
Humphrey 194
Faubus 71


Huntley: Well it was one of the closest elections ever but we finally have an outcome and it will be up to the task of President-Elect Nixon to bring the country together after this close election. No doubt being the sitting Vice President should make that job easier as that should mean and easier transition but due to the closeness of this election he will have a tougher first 100 days then any president has had in a long time especially with a Democratic congress

Chancellor: No doubt about it but being the sitting Vice President could mean the easiest transition of power we have had this century as well


Brinkley: We have just gotten word that Senator Humphrey has called Vice President Nixon to concede the election so we now can officially call Mr.Nixon the President-Elect of the United States.

Huntley: What about Governor Faubus

Brinkley: We are told that Governor Faubus will be challenging the results in Virginia given the closeness of the state but given Senator Humphrey concession it doesnt matter as we are told he is ready to ask his electors in Wisconsin to vote for Nixon if something goes on in Virginia so no matter what happens in Virginia, Richard Nixon will be the President-Elect of the United States.

Chancellor: Senator Humphrey is a very decent man and an honorable man and Im not surprised he has done this and besides with this result even if Virginia went to Mr.Faubus , it would be really difficult to argue that Senator Humphrey should be elected given not only will he have lost the popular vote but have lost the electoral vote by a significant amount too and if Mr.Fabus didnt run he still would have lost Virginia along with probably other southern states so this is the correct decision.

Huntley:  I will like to point out that even his support in the south isnt as great as people think it is. He will have lost Florida, Texas , Tennessee and we believe Virginia as well and even in North Carolina barely get a plurality so I dont think he can clame he has a mandate from the south where he has only receive in 5 of the 11  southern states he hasnt come close to getting a majority and if you include Oklahoma, West Virginia and Kentucky as the south ,he got less than 20% in Oklahoma and Kentucky and failed to even get 7% of the vote in West Virginia. So other than the deep south and his home state of Arkansas he really didnt do well in the south either.


11:51


Brinkley: We can call the final outstanding state and that is we can project Hawaii will also go in the column for President-Elect Nixon.



Nixon 272
Humphrey 194
Faubus 71


Brinkley: That will do it for out coverage of Election Night 1960, and join us this evening at 5 for a special 30 minute election results special. Thank You and have a nice day
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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2021, 07:54:00 PM »

1972 Election Results:

Presidential Results:



Vice President Richard Nixon(R-CA)/Senator Everett Dirksen(R-IL) 272 45.77%
Senator Hubert Humphrey(D-MN)/Senator Stuart Symington(D-MO) 194 43.85%
Governor Orval Faubus(I-AR)/Former Governor Thomas Stanley(I-VA) 71 10.16%


State by State Results: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b-ZSnhmW9ompp8Xbf-d1ZinRUfaxewev/view?usp=sharing


Senate Results:



Democratic Party 63(-3)
Republican Party 37(+3)


House of Representatives:

Democratic Party 255(-28)
Republican Party 182(+29)


Gubernatorial Elections :





Democrats Gain 1 Seat
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« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2021, 03:20:28 PM »

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« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2021, 07:27:59 PM »

The race looks so far tighter than what polling has said. Go Rubio
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« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2021, 01:40:29 PM »

While it’s still early , if Hillary loses Bucks county she will lose the election
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« Reply #67 on: July 05, 2021, 02:36:30 PM »

Good work, although I don't like where the election is going here.

it’s actually ironic in a way that Hillary is going down running for a 4th term for the Dems  by around 5-6 points given that is similar to the margin that HW went down running for a 4th term for the GOP.


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« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2021, 01:05:42 PM »

How does MI votes to the left of PA and NH?

Well MI did vote to the left of PA in OTL 2016 and 2020, and while it did vote considerably to the right of NH in 2020 it barely did so in 2016 so I think with Rubio as the nominee NH would vote to the right of MI
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« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2021, 08:38:47 PM »

Since President Johnson has informed me he won’t be doing the next TL on here , S019 will be doing the next TL on here
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« Reply #70 on: July 20, 2021, 04:58:38 PM »
« Edited: July 20, 2021, 05:04:42 PM by Old School Republican »

My prediction is :




Hillary Clinton wins the election by flipping VA Democratic for the first time since 1964. I think I’m the republicans pickup control of the senate though by flipping ND , SD , IN , KY , and  NC
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« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2021, 10:56:52 PM »

If Palin is losing in FL I doubt she would win WI so she must win FL or Hillary will win . As for the senate seems like it will either be 50-50 or 51-49 for the gop
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« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2021, 07:20:22 PM »

Seems like Palin was able to speeden trends ITTL where the map kinda looks like a potential OTL 2016 map which makes sense given the type of candidate she was. I do think though that the GOP caucus will be more moderate than OTL so Hillary should be able to get parts of her agenda passed congress here as well.


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« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2021, 07:31:05 PM »

The next election I plan to do is President George HW Bush vs Mario Cuomo in 1992(No Perot)
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« Edited: September 11, 2021, 06:34:45 PM by Old School Republican »

NBC News Special Report : 1992 Election Preview:

Brokaw: This has been one of the most exciting races in recent memories , a race which started with the President almost guaranteed to lead his party to a 4th consecutive term in the White House for nearly all of 1991 and for the first few months of 1992, faltered hard beginning in April and Governor Mario Cuomo of New York surged ahead of the President in the polls. From that point on the Governor with the exception of the immediate aftermath of the Republican National Convention has seemed like the heavy favorite to unseat the President .

The race though has tightned in the last 3 weeks as the 8 point the Governor enjoyed in September has dropped to 4 points but if you look at our polling map you can see how much of an uphill path the President will have tommorow.

To give you a better understanding of the polls we not only have the normal Blue for Republicans , Red for Democrats, Grey for Pure Tossup but different shadings as well with a light shading indicating a 2-5 point lead for a candidate, a medium shading indicating a 5-10 point lead and a dark shading indicating a double digit polling lead.




New York Governor Mario Cuomo (D-NY)/Senator Al Gore(D-TN) 267 50%
President George Bush(R-TX)/Vice President Dan Quayle 215 46%



Brokaw: As you can see the President will have to sweep the tossups in order to be reelected while the Governor only needs one of those tossups. Due to this the President is trying very hard to keep California a state that has gone Republican 9 of the last 10 presidential elections in his column

Russert: Yes California is a state that at the Presidential level has gone Republican in every election since 1952 with the exception of 1964 and is a huge prize with 54 electoral votes which would make all the tossups but one irrelevant if the President wins it but it seems to be difficult. The polls indicate a 3 to 3 and a half point lead for the Governor here and even though its down from the near double digit lead the Governor , remember those polls were showing massive amount of voters as undecided . An example of this is the polls a month ago showed the Governor up here 48-39 while now he is up 49-45/46ish . Now former President Ronald Reagan who is very popular here has been barnstomping the state for President Bush and the both of them are due for a joint rally in Los Angeles in 30 minutes and Republicans have put a tough on crime measure called the three strikes and you are out measure and are hoping that measure can carry the President over but according to polls it seems hard to see.


Brokaw: What about other midwestern battlegrounds like Ohio, Michigan, Missouri


Russert: Again bad news for the President again as while he is not as behind as he was a month ago , that is more cause he got more of the undecided voters back home rather than cause any voters leaning Governor Cuomo's way to vote for him. For example in Detriot in places like Macomb and Oakland places where while he is up he isnt running up the numbers anywhere to the extent Republicans have for the past two decades and their margins in rurals areas have decreased too. In Missouri the same seems true where Republicans arent getting the margins they typically put up in Republican counties here.

Ohio on the other hand , the President leads 49-48 but again no Republican has won the Presidency without Ohio and thats keeping it awfully close for comfert.


Brokaw: John , what about the senate races

Chancellor: Ok lets look at our senate battleground which has exactly 10 battlgrounds , 5 held by each party which means no matter what the Democrats are basically guaranteed to hold the senate come January.


Vulnerable Republican Seats:

New Hampshire- Likely Republican
New York- Tossup
Pennsylvania- Lean Republican
Wisconsin- Tossup
California- Likely Democratic

Vulnerable Democratic Seats:

North Carolina- Lean Republican
South Carolina- Tossup
Georgia- Tossup(Lean Runoff)
Ohio - Likely Democratic
California- Tossup
Washington- Likely Democratic


Chancellor: So as you can see both parties basically are expected to gain one senate seat each and both parties also have to seats the possibly can lose as well. Those tossups are New York where Democrat Robert Abrams is hoping to ride Governor Cuomo coatails to potentially upset Republican senator Al D'Amato though he is currently tailing there by around a point to point and a half. In Wisconsin Republican Senator Bob Kasten is in a surprinsgly competive race against Democratic Senator Russ Feingold and now trails Mr.Feingold by 1.

Democrats are worried they could also lose South Carolina where Senator Fritz Hollings who seemed to be safe for a long time could be doomed by Governor Cuomo weakness here, and in California where Senator Barbara Boxer is tied with her Republican opponent.


Brokaw  : That does it for our special report previewing the 1992 election , and tomorrow night beginning at 7 PM ET we will provide full coverage of the election  and we hope you will join us
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