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« on: February 18, 2022, 05:15:51 PM »
Quote from: emailking on February 18, 2022, 05:04:24 PM
Biden just said in his press conference that he believes Putin has made the decision to invade.
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2022, 02:53:24 AM »
Quote from: TheReckoning on February 22, 2022, 02:41:58 AM
Ukraine should give up Donbass at this point, and give up NATO membership as well, in exchange for continued sovereignty. If Russia pushes further, surrender without fighting.

An analogy is this: when being robbed, you give up exactly what the robber asks for. Your possessions aren’t worth your life. Similarily, Ukraine’s sovereignty is not worth having hundreds of thousands of people die.

I guess, but going with that analogy, if someone is being robbed (and assuming they're alone) I think it's their choice whether they want to give up or fight.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2022, 04:41:20 AM »
Quote from: Meclazine on February 22, 2022, 03:47:30 AM
Quote from: emailking on February 22, 2022, 02:53:24 AM
Quote from: TheReckoning on February 22, 2022, 02:41:58 AM
Ukraine should give up Donbass at this point, and give up NATO membership as well, in exchange for continued sovereignty. If Russia pushes further, surrender without fighting.

An analogy is this: when being robbed, you give up exactly what the robber asks for. Your possessions aren’t worth your life. Similarily, Ukraine’s sovereignty is not worth having hundreds of thousands of people die.

I guess, but going with that analogy, if someone is being robbed (and assuming they're alone) I think it's their choice whether they want to give up or fight.

Implicit in Recoking's analysis is the fact that this is a fight they cannot win.

I'm not so sure about that. Russia could win if they really want to but the cost might not be worth it if they fight back hard.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2022, 12:26:55 PM »
I kept reading that as projectile instead of project and was very confused.
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2022, 02:07:05 PM »
The Secretary General is right. Peacekeeping troops have no business being in another country unless they are authorized by the UN or by that country's government.
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2022, 07:24:03 PM »
They won't be able to do anything because of Russia's veto.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2022, 09:35:21 PM »
« Edited: February 23, 2022, 09:53:06 PM by emailking »
Quote from: 👁️👁️ on February 23, 2022, 09:31:18 PM



This didn't work for me but I think this is the tweet you meant.



Edit: That tweet is apparently deleted now too, but it was:

Heavy RU strategic bombing activity. Opening airstrikes, including S/MRBM targeting, are imminent.

— The Intel Crab (@IntelCrab) February 24, 2022
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2022, 09:42:23 PM »
It's 5:40 AM in Moscow, I doubt many people are watching.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2022, 10:01:28 PM »
Fox is also saying Putin said that. The special military operation.
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2022, 10:11:34 PM »
CNN team in Kyiv hears explosions my goodness.
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2022, 10:15:30 PM »
NBC also confirming explosions in Kyiv.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2022, 11:09:56 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2022, 11:49:09 PM »
Quote from: Gass3268 on February 23, 2022, 11:46:04 PM
This is the way to go now, attack the oligarchs.



Does he mean Russian children that were adopted before they outlawed it?
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2022, 12:04:28 AM »
Attacking a partner country is not going to go over well. Hope it's not trie.
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2022, 12:09:01 AM »

I think slim. But they should try to do as much as they can. Make this as unpalatable to the Russian people as possible.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2022, 01:07:53 AM »
Quote from: NOVA Green on February 24, 2022, 01:04:51 AM
Anybody else leaning towards the concept that Russia is moving towards a full scale invasion and occupation?

Could be a great Putin bluff, but why go all out unless you are looking for the best position on the chessboard?

Yes it certainly seems like they are trying to take over the country in full.
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2022, 01:20:23 AM »
We shouldn't want anyone to die. The best thing would be if all fighting stopped right now. It won't, and so Ukraine has to defend itself. But the whole thing is a tragedy.
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2022, 01:23:00 AM »
Quote from: TheReckoning on February 24, 2022, 01:21:37 AM
Won’t Sactions just cripple the lives of everyday Russians instead of actually ending the war?

I think deterrence is part of the calculation there. Over time it might lead to Russia giving up if there is a long insurgency in Ukraine.
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2022, 01:25:06 AM »
After today, I'll take that technicality if it works.
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2022, 02:57:20 AM »
Bumper to bumper traffic trying to get out of Kyiv.
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2022, 03:56:51 AM »
The video, omg. I hope s/he makes it.
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2022, 12:48:15 AM »
FYI the site often goes down like that between 9 an 11 PM Eastern for some reason. It used to be literally every day around 9:45 PM but since the server upgrade I haven't noticed it as much.
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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2022, 02:00:27 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2022, 07:24:55 PM »
Is the tank thing legally a war crime?
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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2022, 07:32:49 PM »
Quote from: 2016 on February 25, 2022, 07:30:19 PM
Shockingly according to a new Poll Voters think Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President

Even if they are right, that doesn't mean it's Biden's fault or that Trump should have won.
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