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minionofmidas
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« on: September 25, 2010, 04:15:00 AM »

No. Even if I think he would have done it if he'd ever had the capacity to think of it, George Bush was just too much of a dumb bastard to ever mastermind something that massive.
He would have lacked the imagination to think it up or agree to it.

Btw: Is anybody in the world besides me still aware of the fact that nobody including Al-Qaeda expected the towers to collapse if a plane flew into them? That nobody thought of it even while the towers were burning (which affected the number of victims upward)? Or that it wouldn't even have happened if the second plane had impacted as high up as the first one?
Or of the somewhat sad and bizarre jumbled story of how the things came to be viewed as a symbol for a number of things they have zilch to do with (America's perceived war on Islam and American world capitalist domination), which is what made them a target?

Thanks in advance.

(Oh, also: What that says about Western secret service's and armed forces' reaction to them - namely proving what peaceniks have always held about them. That they're dominated by wackjobs whom it's unsafe to give any sort of influence to, and abolishing them might well end up doing more good than harm.)
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2010, 04:38:43 AM »

I wasn't talking of the rank and file, Deado.
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 04:55:05 AM »

Roll Eyes

Politicians trust experts. Or rather "experts". (And wtf does Iraq even have to do with it? I'm talking of the crucial weeks after 9/11. I'm talking of what led to OEF's continued existence, and to hundreds of innocents-at-first-and-a-half glance being sent to Gitmo for years, etc etc...)
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 05:51:46 AM »

You are. Be sure of it.

You should at least remember Bin Ladin's gloating video message a few weeks after... with its whole "we succeeded beyond our wildest expectations at punishing the dirty dogs" angle.

Oh, and just a few irrelevant sidenotes:

Who by? Certainly not the statics expert I remember on German tv explaining, a few hours after, that it wasn't really all that surprising as everybody else was still thinking, and that he should have. And certainly nobody high up the chain of command of the NYC Fire Department.
(Oh, and yeah, anyone thinking of destroying the building would have been thinking to topple it - destroying more buildings in its path, as talked of in Fight Club for instance - rather than make it crumble. It was really rather unthinkable to the layman. But even dreaming of that as a best outcome - which of course Atta etc may well have done; we wouldn't know - is very, very different from planning.)

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I wouldn't ever think of blaming "a gun" or "a car"... but don't you think fewer such deaths would happen if such things weren't so easy to get access to? Most homicides happen in a drunken rage among family and friends. And robberies are - statistically demonstrably though I don't feel like drudging through the vast amounts of evidence, all of it analysed with partisan interest (by both sides), for a good link - more likely to end in fatalities where guns are more abundant, not that that should surprise anybody. Cars, even more than guns, are certainly too ubiquitous for anybody's good. Not that there's a realistic way of changing that, so I tend to just fuggetaboutit.

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minionofmidas
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2010, 04:12:48 AM »

Utility knives were allowed prior to 9/11 as long as the blade was 4 inches or less. The hijackers were actually abiding by the law.
So why, exactly, does America demonize them so if they did nothing illegal? Wink
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2010, 07:26:28 AM »

Everybody studying architecture in Germany does a basic statics course. Even those who specialize in landscape architecture, ie parks and such.

The idea of commercial airliners that we've all been on being hijacked so easily with box-cutters and then crashed into iconic American steel skyscrapers had a psychological effect on people. It unnerved them.
This is the crux of the matter, of course. (This and the quick way in which the far right wing of the establishment seized its chance.) This is the reason both why so many people went into such a rabid allbelieving mode and why it was inevitable that "Truthers" would emerge.
And alas, having to dissociate from Truthers didn't exactly help the remaining rational people's cause at all. Not that anybody planned it to play out that way, of course. Its just human nature.
*goes vomit at memory of last nine years*
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 10:01:05 AM »

*shrugs* They've made up their mind. Do not confuse them with facts.
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 04:26:46 AM »

Do truthers believe that security should go back to pre-911 days?

I think it is clearly better to run a tiny risk of being blown up than put up with the security.

Amen!

*signs petititonÜ
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