South Carolina Republicans want death penalty for women who get abortions

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This is an unwarranted extrapolation.  

btw, SC has not executed any women for any crime in at least the past 5 decades.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/next-to-die/sc

Yet more of the nothing to see here crowd insisting everything is normal and this is totally okay.

BTW, 21 members of the State House co-sponsored this bill!

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My God. Watching Shua flail around trying to claim a bill sponsored by almost two dozen State House members saying that women obtaining abortions would be eligible for the death penalty, doesn't mean if passed women getting abortions in South Carolina will be eligible for the death penalty. "Because reasonz!!" (Chef's kiss)

That level of bad faith knee-jerk contrarianism --we have officially reached peak Shua.

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This isn't a courtroom, dingus.

Yes or no: does the bill make women who get abortions eligible to receive the death penalty?

There is only one correct answer here btw

Hurling insults won't give women who get abortions the death penalty, even though you clearly want it to happen. I feel truly sorry for you but it isn't going to.

He asked you "yes or no" several times and you won't give a straight answer. It's okay to admit when you're wrong. We're ALL wrong sometimes. It's okay.

I don't even know what "eligible" is supposed to mean in this question. That it isn't explicitly ruled out?   Where in the current law is it that explicitly rules it out, that this law would change?

No woman is going to get the death penalty due to this bill that wouldn't get it without it.  Is anyone going to argue otherwise?

Dude just take the L

Answer my questions.

This is sad. Just say you support this or don’t because you don’t support the DP for civilian crimes and support life imprisonment instead and move on.

I don't support this bill since abortion has distinctions as a form of homicide that it makes sense for the law to be specific about how this distinctiveness should play out in the law, and I have views of what that should include which this bill does not.  But the faults of this bill do not somehow mean that women who get abortions are therefore going to be treated more harshly than 99% of those judged guilty of other criminal homicides in South Carolina, and claims that it will are propaganda.   Ok., moving on.

Agreed to a point. Most people who kill someone aren't going to get the death penalty. Probably more people are eventually going to be paroled than executed.

Then again, what if there is some group of activists or anarchist/left-wing militia that has performed hundreds of abortions illegally that the police and NG have been trying to round up for years? What if there is someone who has had several abortions (they had pregnancy complications or were just a lazy thot, it doesn't matter at this point) since the law happened. All of these people are now serial killers.

Even if we make obtusly optimistic assumptions about the implementation of this law, are we really supposed to be any more pleased that women charged with capital murder for getting an abortion might "only" be sentenced to (e.g) 20 to life instead??

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Even if we make obtusly optimistic assumptions about the implementation of this law, are we really supposed to be any more pleased that women charged with capital murder for getting an abortion might "only" be sentenced to (e.g) 20 to life instead??

Exactly. That's why shua's entire act is so insultingly dishonest.

What's dishonest is pretending to care about women in South Carolina supposedly at risk of getting the death penalty when you really just want an excuse to be a jerk to people you disagree with.

No you disingenuous twit. I and every other person arguing against this bill in this thread are genuinely frightfully concerned for women in South Carolina who disagree with your fetus fetish about whether or not life begins a conception or not and are driven to get an abortion might actually be up for the death penalty, and if they're " lucky" they'll  be "allowed " 20 to life.

This entire thread you have been a thoroughly dishonest to an outright laughable degree. And now to accuse others in this thread of just trying to score points other than, God forbid not wanting to see women sent into prison for life or the electric chair for trying to control their own reproduction which offends you so highly, is just the final straw. Take the L, big guy. We get it that you believe 2 + 2 = 5 and nothing will change your pig-headed mind on the subject.

If you had a scintilla of backbone or intellectual honesty you would either come out and say yes I am okay with women being put on death row for abortions, or at least stay hey I'm pro-life but this is too far, I only want to see women tossed in prison for 15 or 20 years for such a thing because I'm one of the "nice" patriarchs. Sadly, in this thread you've demonstrated neither, instead attempted to play the socratic equivalent of patty cake and plugging your ears going "la la la la.la la I can't hear you!!"

Seriously, your attempts to deny that this bill putting women who get abortions on death row is somehow fantasy because you really really really want to believe it , and then even try to characterize this as a game of Internet gotcha is just Craven. Truly Craven. Drink your long overdue glass of STFU juice and crawl out of this thread having forfeited ounce of dignity and respectability you ever had in Atlas. A truly deplorable performance throughout this thread of which you should be ashamed.

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Even if we make obtusly optimistic assumptions about the implementation of this law, are we really supposed to be any more pleased that women charged with capital murder for getting an abortion might "only" be sentenced to (e.g) 20 to life instead??

Exactly. That's why shua's entire act is so insultingly dishonest.

What's dishonest is pretending to care about women in South Carolina supposedly at risk of getting the death penalty when you really just want an excuse to be a jerk to people you disagree with.

No you disingenuous twit. I and every other person arguing against this bill in this thread are genuinely frightfully concerned for women in South Carolina who disagree with your fetus fetish about whether or not life begins a conception or not and are driven to get an abortion might actually be up for the death penalty, and if they're " lucky" they'll  be "allowed " 20 to life.

This entire thread you have been a thoroughly dishonest to an outright laughable degree. And now to accuse others in this thread of just trying to score points other than, God forbid not wanting to see women sent into prison for life or the electric chair for trying to control their own reproduction which offends you so highly, is just the final straw. Take the L, big guy. We get it that you believe 2 + 2 = 5 and nothing will change your pig-headed mind on the subject.

If you had a scintilla of backbone or intellectual honesty you would either come out and say yes I am okay with women being put on death row for abortions, or at least stay hey I'm pro-life but this is too far, I only want to see women tossed in prison for 15 or 20 years for such a thing because I'm one of the "nice" patriarchs. Sadly, in this thread you've demonstrated neither, instead attempted to play the socratic equivalent of patty cake and plugging your ears going "la la la la.la la I can't hear you!!"

Seriously, your attempts to deny that this bill putting women who get abortions on death row is somehow fantasy because you really really really want to believe it , and then even try to characterize this as a game of Internet gotcha is just Craven. Truly Craven. Drink your long overdue glass of STFU juice and crawl out of this thread having forfeited ounce of dignity and respectability you ever had in Atlas. A truly deplorable performance throughout this thread of which you should be ashamed.

You've spent way more time insulting me than you have in trying to provide evidence that women are going to suffer because of this bill or specifying how it would occur. You even moved the goalposts from capital punishment to several years in prison when it suited you. No, I don't support either of those for women who've had abortions, but it seems like an important difference if women are actually going to go through one or the other. You find the difference immaterial. That is all I the evidence I need to see what it is you really care about.

No you contrarian hack. I'm insulting your views and rampant dishonesty. There is no debate about women suffering under this bill when it literally says they would be eligible for execution under the law! Only someone arguing and complete bad faith or a literal illiterate, and I'll assume for benefit of argument you're merely the former, would seriously clean this.

And no, I have never once so-called moved the goal posts here. This bill explicitly says execution! Death penalty! Explain exactly how you say the death penalty doesn't actually mean the death penalty but could just mean 30 lashes with a wet noodle? You can't explain this because that's what it says in black and white, genius! My only point is that with the threat of a death penalty suddenly these women will might be offered, emphasis MIGHT, plea Bargains which "merely" result in them doing life without parole or maybe release after 20 to 30 years. I'm going to break this down into nice tiny little words so that even you can't misconstrue them. My point here is first, no, that is by no means a given and some women according to prosecutorial discretion can and will be subject to the death penalty under this law, period end of sentence. Secondly, if you somehow think it's a good thing that women will only see sentences of 20 years, 30 years, life imprisonment as a result of plea negotiations arising out of this horrendous literal hands-made tail level law, then that is every bit as grotesque and utterly reprehensible of you as saying put them to death.

The only key here, big mouth, is that you have the other lack of backbone to Simply acknowledge that yes, what this bill says it's going to do will actually happen if it is passed. You further lack the moral fortitude to acknowledge either that you support it, or that you think at least 20 years plus let alone the death penalty is too tough. We get. You're perfectly okay with this outcome. And that's why you are sneered at quite justifiably throughout this thread, in your own disingenuousness doesn't help.