South Carolina Republicans want death penalty for women who get abortions

[Ferguson97]

inb4 blue avatars come in to tell us how we're being ridiculous and how this isn't going to go anywhere

[Ferguson97]

Show me a single one of them who said they support giving women who get abortions the death penalty.

All of them expressed support for giving women who get abortions the death penalty when they co-sponsored a bill that would give women who get abortions the death penalty.

"Co-sponsoring a bill doesn't mean they support the bill" is just hilariously bad-faith.

[Ferguson97]

They support a bill which says nothing about either the death penalty or criminally charging women for abortions. To say that supporting this bill implies support for such a thing is a flight of fancy.

Literally the second sentence of the article

The “South Carolina Prenatal Equal Protection Act of 2023” would amend the state’s code of laws, redefining “person” to include a fertilized egg at the point of conception, affording that zygote “equal protection under the homicide laws of the state” — up to and including the ultimate punishment: death.

How do you lie so effortlessly, particularly when your claims are so easy to disprove?

[Ferguson97]

What court has ever found that Equal Protection means that all homicide requires the death penalty? If so then South Carolina and every other state with a death penalty is already running afoul of it.

I don't know if you're just arguing in bad faith or if you genuinely lack reading comprehension.

Nobody here claimed that a death sentence would be the required punishment. In fact, the person who made this thread was very clear:

Members of the South Carolina State House are considering a bill that would make a woman who has an abortion in the state eligible for the death penalty.

Yes or no, do you acknowledge that this bill would make women who receive abortions eligible for the death penalty?

[Ferguson97]

Yes or no, do you acknowledge that this bill would make women who receive abortions eligible for the death penalty?

I will acknowledge it if someone makes a decent argument based on the actual bill text and not the specious reasoning of a partisan music magazine.

Do your arms get tired from having to constantly shift the goal posts?

Here's the language from the bill itself

TO AMEND THE SOUTH CAROLINA CODE OF LAWS BY ENACTING THE "SOUTH CAROLINA PRENATAL EQUAL PROTECTION ACT OF 2023"; BY ADDING SECTIONS 16-3-6, 16-3-105, 16-3-106, 16-3-107, AND 16-3-108 SO AS TO DEFINE "PERSON" TO INCLUDE AN UNBORN CHILD AT ANY STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT AND TO ENSURE THAT AN UNBORN CHILD WHO IS A VICTIM OF HOMICIDE IS AFFORDED EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE HOMICIDE LAWS OF THE STATE, WITH EXCEPTIONS; AND BY ADDING SECTIONS 16-3-760, 16-3-761, 16-3-762, AND 16-3-763 SO AS TO DEFINE "PERSON" TO INCLUDE AN UNBORN CHILD AT ANY STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT AND TO ENSURE THAT AN UNBORN CHILD WHO IS A VICTIM OF ASSAULT IS AFFORDED EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE ASSAULT LAWS OF THE STATE, WITH EXCEPTIONS.

The bill expands the definition of person to include the unborn.

The bill requires that all persons are treated the same under the state's homicide laws.

The state's homicide laws make someone who commits murder eligible for the death penalty.

Women who get abortions would then be eligible for the death penalty.

Like, are you seriously acting as if this is even up for debate or up to interpretation?

[Ferguson97]

The conditions where someone is eligible for the death penalty is limited in South Carolina, hence the reason it constitutes less than 1% of all murders. It certainly does not include all criminal homicides.

According to SC law: "Murder" is the killing of any person with malice aforethought, either express or implied."
Is a woman who has an abortion in that category?  Make the argument.

You seem to be under the impression that the burden of proof is on us here.

For a murder to warrant the death penalty under SC law there must also be an aggravating factor with no mitigating circumstances. The murder being of a child is an aggravating factor, but relevant mitigating factors include

(2) The murder was committed while the defendant was under the influence of mental or emotional disturbance.

and

(5) The defendant acted under duress or under the domination of another person.

If you are seeking an illegal abortion, good chance at least one of these apply.

And that's certainly what any competent defense attorney would argue.

Shua, you're not going to convince us that the bill doesn't really mean what it says.

[Ferguson97]

The conditions where someone is eligible for the death penalty is limited in South Carolina, hence the reason it constitutes less than 1% of all murders. It certainly does not include all criminal homicides.

According to SC law: "Murder" is the killing of any person with malice aforethought, either express or implied."
Is a woman who has an abortion in that category?  Make the argument.

You seem to be under the impression that the burden of proof is on us here.
 

Who is the burden of proof generally on when it comes to whether someone is legally guilty of murder?

This isn't a courtroom, dingus.

Yes or no: does the bill make women who get abortions eligible to receive the death penalty?

There is only one correct answer here btw

[Ferguson97]

This isn't a courtroom, dingus.

Yes or no: does the bill make women who get abortions eligible to receive the death penalty?

There is only one correct answer here btw

Hurling insults won't give women who get abortions the death penalty, even though you clearly want it to happen. I feel truly sorry for you but it isn't going to.

He asked you "yes or no" several times and you won't give a straight answer. It's okay to admit when you're wrong. We're ALL wrong sometimes. It's okay.

I don't even know what "eligible" is supposed to mean in this question. That it isn't explicitly ruled out?   Where in the current law is it that explicitly rules it out, that this law would change?

No woman is going to get the death penalty due to this bill that wouldn't get it without it.  Is anyone going to argue otherwise?

Dude just take the L

[Ferguson97]

This isn't a courtroom, dingus.

Yes or no: does the bill make women who get abortions eligible to receive the death penalty?

There is only one correct answer here btw

Hurling insults won't give women who get abortions the death penalty, even though you clearly want it to happen. I feel truly sorry for you but it isn't going to.

He asked you "yes or no" several times and you won't give a straight answer. It's okay to admit when you're wrong. We're ALL wrong sometimes. It's okay.

I don't even know what "eligible" is supposed to mean in this question. That it isn't explicitly ruled out?   Where in the current law is it that explicitly rules it out, that this law would change?

No woman is going to get the death penalty due to this bill that wouldn't get it without it.  Is anyone going to argue otherwise?

Dude just take the L

Answer my questions.

As soon as you start asking don’t good faith ones, I will.

[Ferguson97]

Even if we make obtusly optimistic assumptions about the implementation of this law, are we really supposed to be any more pleased that women charged with capital murder for getting an abortion might "only" be sentenced to (e.g) 20 to life instead??

Exactly. That's why shua's entire act is so insultingly dishonest.

What's dishonest is pretending to care about women in South Carolina supposedly at risk of getting the death penalty when you really just want an excuse to be a jerk to people you disagree with.

Hilarious that you're still pretending that this is up to debate or interpretation.