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« Reply #175 on: October 31, 2023, 10:45:20 PM »

They've IDed and arrested a suspect in the Cornell posts and it's a student:

He apparently was a security guard at the university too. Yikes.
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« Reply #176 on: October 31, 2023, 11:42:33 PM »

They've IDed and arrested a suspect in the Cornell posts and it's a student:

He apparently was a security guard at the university too. Yikes.

Thank G-d he was as stupid as he was evil, then, to post about his sick plans on a public forum.
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« Reply #177 on: November 01, 2023, 08:38:57 AM »



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« Reply #178 on: November 01, 2023, 08:58:46 AM »

We've allowed a collection of tiny Maoist microstates to establish themselves on our soil. Seems bad.
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« Reply #179 on: November 01, 2023, 09:11:34 AM »

Some of us have been raising the alarm on this for years, just saying...
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« Reply #180 on: November 01, 2023, 09:17:49 AM »

We've allowed a collection of tiny Maoist microstates to establish themselves on our soil. Seems bad.

Radicals exisiting in university has always been a thing (see 60's), we've just allowed them to go unchecked and become the mainstream supported by segments of the faculty (sociology, ethnic studies etc)
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« Reply #181 on: November 01, 2023, 11:00:26 AM »

We've allowed a collection of tiny Maoist microstates to establish themselves on our soil. Seems bad.

Radicals exisiting in university has always been a thing (see 60's), we've just allowed them to go unchecked and become the mainstream supported by segments of the faculty (sociology, ethnic studies etc)

Radicalism in Universities started with the beginning of Universities themselves, back in Medieval times. Some things never really change.
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« Reply #182 on: November 01, 2023, 01:03:06 PM »

Some of us have been raising the alarm on this for years, just saying...

“If universities don’t get a blank check from taxpayers , it’s a violation of academic freedom” . The level of entitlement was gross and that type of entitlement should have brought a reckoning long before things got this bad but no having taxpayers subsidize university departments that literally do nothing to advance students careers (like ethnic and gender studies) was essential in maintaining academic freedom .

This argument was always beyond ridiculous and red state governors should start passing reforms changing this and should do it now . Youngkin should have also run the Virginia midterms on getting enough support to get these reforms passed as well but sadly decided not too.
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« Reply #183 on: November 01, 2023, 02:06:04 PM »

Some of us have been raising the alarm on this for years, just saying...

“If universities don’t get a blank check from taxpayers , it’s a violation of academic freedom” . The level of entitlement was gross and that type of entitlement should have brought a reckoning long before things got this bad but no having taxpayers subsidize university departments that literally do nothing to advance students careers (like ethnic and gender studies) was essential in maintaining academic freedom .

This argument was always beyond ridiculous and red state governors should start passing reforms changing this and should do it now . Youngkin should have also run the Virginia midterms on getting enough support to get these reforms passed as well but sadly decided not too.

If Republicans are serious and want to do a real cleanup of our elite institutions, they should work with moderate Dems on legislation. Trust me, there are plenty of left-leaning people who have simply had it with this Che Guevara junk happening at taxpayer funded schools.
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« Reply #184 on: November 01, 2023, 02:08:26 PM »

They've IDed and arrested a suspect in the Cornell posts and it's a student:

He apparently was a security guard at the university too. Yikes.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/patrick-dai-cornell-student-accused-of-threatening-jewish-peers/

It does feel like this might have been more a case of a depressed kid more than anything but it is still extremely alarming.
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« Reply #185 on: November 01, 2023, 02:11:36 PM »

Humanities are not bad just because some people at college suck.
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« Reply #186 on: November 01, 2023, 02:53:18 PM »



Holy s**t. Expel these people.
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« Reply #187 on: November 01, 2023, 02:53:53 PM »

Humanities are not bad just because some people at college suck.
Agreed, there's a lot of good and valuable stuff in the humanities. Only the grievance studies departments are inherently rotten and bad.
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« Reply #188 on: November 01, 2023, 05:39:56 PM »



Humanities are not bad just because some people at college suck.
Agreed, there's a lot of good and valuable stuff in the humanities. Only the grievance studies departments are inherently rotten and bad.

It is true that only the grievance studies departments are inherently rotten and bad, but many other humanities departments still promise students a ticket to a better life and fail to deliver. The humanities existed before the modern university system, and will exist after it, and I think the argument that a divorce would be better for the humanities is a serious one.
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« Reply #189 on: November 01, 2023, 06:16:04 PM »



Humanities are not bad just because some people at college suck.
Agreed, there's a lot of good and valuable stuff in the humanities. Only the grievance studies departments are inherently rotten and bad.

It is true that only the grievance studies departments are inherently rotten and bad, but many other humanities departments still promise students a ticket to a better life and fail to deliver. The humanities existed before the modern university system, and will exist after it, and I think the argument that a divorce would be better for the humanities is a serious one.

 Most Humanities majors don't lead to jobs right after college, it's usually stepping stone for grad school, law, social work,


The problem is is that this System, only works if you go to.... well... the Ivy Leagues. Since Law for example is super saturated at the bottom levels.


The US is the only country that does it this way, Most other countries have undegraduate law, social work programs.
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« Reply #190 on: November 01, 2023, 07:00:49 PM »



Holy s**t. Expel these people.

Wow this guy could have gotten any legal job he wanted after graduation and now his life’s ruined lol
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« Reply #191 on: November 01, 2023, 09:01:05 PM »

There's a lot of talk about humanities majors, but I think it's telling that this is happening most at elite universities, and also with those that study Law. These tend to be very smart students, who will in the future go into Big Law. How do you fix that problem?
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« Reply #192 on: November 01, 2023, 10:17:06 PM »


Holy s**t. Expel these people.

Wow this guy could have gotten any legal job he wanted after graduation and now his life’s ruined lol
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« Reply #193 on: November 02, 2023, 11:14:08 AM »

There's a lot of talk about humanities majors, but I think it's telling that this is happening most at elite universities, and also with those that study Law. These tend to be very smart students, who will in the future go into Big Law. How do you fix that problem?

elite university does not mean smart students IMO, but putting that aside, Vosem made a good point about McCarthyism sort of worked so maybe we need to bring back tribunals on unamerican activites and loyalty oaths for certain professions
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« Reply #194 on: November 02, 2023, 12:34:05 PM »

There's a lot of talk about humanities majors, but I think it's telling that this is happening most at elite universities, and also with those that study Law. These tend to be very smart students, who will in the future go into Big Law. How do you fix that problem?

elite university does not mean smart students IMO, but putting that aside, Vosem made a good point about McCarthyism sort of worked so maybe we need to bring back tribunals on unamerican activites and loyalty oaths for certain professions

I absolutely did not make this point. McCarthyism as a political movement was such an abysmal failure that 70 years later it is still taught as an example in schools of what not to do. Inasmuch as it kind of got what it wanted (Soviet spy activity did decrease), this was either through the efforts of those actually hostile to it, like Truman or Dulles, or through the general decline in the competence of Soviet intelligence after Stalin's death and the decline in international sympathy for the Soviet state after 1956.

I said that McCarthyism's complaints about the government and society were in broad strokes correct and justified. That does not mean it "sort of worked". (I also said -- and I remember saying this in 2016-2019 when this was very controversial on the right -- that there is a difference between policing random ordinary people's free speech and removing people with harmful ideas from positions of power. The former is authoritarianism, but the latter is just politics. Mr. Bharmal should not be the editor of a law review, but he also should not be banned from Twitter.)
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« Reply #195 on: November 03, 2023, 01:34:53 PM »

DISGUSTING! Time to start primarying these bigots.

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« Reply #196 on: November 04, 2023, 01:40:34 PM »

It's a resolution, you can interpret it however you want. No reason not to vote for it unless you actually believe yourself to support terrorism or antisemitism.
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« Reply #197 on: November 04, 2023, 05:29:37 PM »

DISGUSTING! Time to start primarying these bigots.



I assume the mods will delete this for hyperbole in about five minutes, but IMO every single person who voted against this hates Jewish people.

What possible argument could you have for voting against? It's a resolution- it doesn't commit law enforcement resources or whatever.
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« Reply #198 on: November 04, 2023, 06:45:24 PM »

Humanities are not bad just because some people at college suck.

Republicans have wanted to effectively eliminate all education that doesn't involve learning to do manual labor for a long time. They're using situations like this to make that a reality.
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« Reply #199 on: November 04, 2023, 07:30:09 PM »

Very disappointed in Jayapal. I might have to write someone in next year.
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