Voter suppresion/"stealing the election" megathread

[MR DARK BRANDON]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShannonBream/status/1336448932189265920

[BudgieForce]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShannonBream/status/1336448932189265920

PA had to respond in today's case too. Seems like a formality.

[jimrtex]

What does Trump mean when he talks about the signatures in Georgia?

When absentee ballots are processed, the signatures on the envelopes they arrive in are compared to the signatures on voter registration files. Only if there is a "match" is the ballot legitimate.

After matching, the envelopes are opened and the ballot itself is seperated from the envelope with the signatures to ensure voter secrecy.

Then the actual ballots are counted.

Trump wants to go back and rematch signatures, which is impossible since the ballots and the signatures are seperated after signature verification.

So basically, it is a completely ridiculous bad faith argument from Trump and his cronies. All they care about is making it seem like the election was fraudulent.

The signatures were not matched in accord with Georgia statute.

If large numbers of ballots were unlawfully accepted it could have affected the outcome of the election. Assuming ballots were fraudulently cast, the ballots would likely tilt one way. It would taint the result of the election, regardless whether you can identify the ballots.

You are the one making the bad faith argument:

You are arguing that even if it is determined that a crime was committed, that since we can not know who committed it, or what the effect of the crime was.

Show your work, Jim. SOS office says the process was the same as 2016 and 2018.

Second the above: provide evidence to back up the claim, or stop making it.

Also, the signature rejection rate in 2020 was similar to that in 2018.  Source

Read the last paragraph.

It is not relevant if the rejection rate in 2020 is similar to that in 2018.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/JacobRubashkin/status/1336468562572173313?s=20

[BudgieForce]

The AZ Supreme Court is all republican appointments too.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1336462217655496707

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

You guys don't understand. There's this thing called Ultra SCOTUS that Trump's going to appeal to and if that fails there, then it'll just go to Super Ultra SCOTUS. TRUMP IS STILL IN THIS!!!!! This is all part of the plan Libs 😎

It's 10D Chess, the liberal cucks aren't even on the same playing field. America's Mayor will save America again.

[Non Swing Voter]

Does this Texas lawsuit have any kind of merit or is it just more garbage?

In terms of the pile of garbage that is Trump's legal effort, this one is the smelly week old Chinese food at the bottom of the heap.  This is his audition for a pardon.

[IceAgeComing]

What does Trump mean when he talks about the signatures in Georgia?

When absentee ballots are processed, the signatures on the envelopes they arrive in are compared to the signatures on voter registration files. Only if there is a "match" is the ballot legitimate.

After matching, the envelopes are opened and the ballot itself is seperated from the envelope with the signatures to ensure voter secrecy.

Then the actual ballots are counted.

Trump wants to go back and rematch signatures, which is impossible since the ballots and the signatures are seperated after signature verification.

So basically, it is a completely ridiculous bad faith argument from Trump and his cronies. All they care about is making it seem like the election was fraudulent.

The signatures were not matched in accord with Georgia statute.

If large numbers of ballots were unlawfully accepted it could have affected the outcome of the election. Assuming ballots were fraudulently cast, the ballots would likely tilt one way. It would taint the result of the election, regardless whether you can identify the ballots.

You are the one making the bad faith argument:

You are arguing that even if it is determined that a crime was committed, that since we can not know who committed it, or what the effect of the crime was.

The issue is that they haven't presented any evidence that fraud happened at all: never mind on a scale required to change the results of the election.  If you seek to change the results of an election or to seek a re-run its not about presenting the potential of irregularities; you have to prove that they happened and that the number of affected votes could theoretically have changed the election.  Its not as simple as "well don't count mail in ballots" since that would disenfranchise those that voted legally: they'd need to find 12,000 votes that were counted illegally (or indeed 12,000 that were not counted that should have been) and present that if they sought to change things.  They haven't because they can't prove that happened and so the election result must stand: you can't overturn the result of a democratic vote just based on the potential that fraud happened since that would go against the basic principle that unless proven otherwise we trust that our elections are free and fair.

[jimrtex]

What does Trump mean when he talks about the signatures in Georgia?

When absentee ballots are processed, the signatures on the envelopes they arrive in are compared to the signatures on voter registration files. Only if there is a "match" is the ballot legitimate.

After matching, the envelopes are opened and the ballot itself is seperated from the envelope with the signatures to ensure voter secrecy.

Then the actual ballots are counted.

Trump wants to go back and rematch signatures, which is impossible since the ballots and the signatures are seperated after signature verification.

So basically, it is a completely ridiculous bad faith argument from Trump and his cronies. All they care about is making it seem like the election was fraudulent.

The signatures were not matched in accord with Georgia statute.

If large numbers of ballots were unlawfully accepted it could have affected the outcome of the election. Assuming ballots were fraudulently cast, the ballots would likely tilt one way. It would taint the result of the election, regardless whether you can identify the ballots.

You are the one making the bad faith argument:

You are arguing that even if it is determined that a crime was committed, that since we can not know who committed it, or what the effect of the crime was.

The issue is that they haven't presented any evidence that fraud happened at all: never mind on a scale required to change the results of the election.  If you seek to change the results of an election or to seek a re-run its not about presenting the potential of irregularities; you have to prove that they happened and that the number of affected votes could theoretically have changed the election.  Its not as simple as "well don't count mail in ballots" since that would disenfranchise those that voted legally: they'd need to find 12,000 votes that were counted illegally (or indeed 12,000 that were not counted that should have been) and present that if they sought to change things.  They haven't because they can't prove that happened and so the election result must stand: you can't overturn the result of a democratic vote just based on the potential that fraud happened since that would go against the basic principle that unless proven otherwise we trust that our elections are free and fair.

An election in Austria was nullified because inferior glue was used for some envelopes. Or was that the one where some of the tellers did not show up to count ballots?

This is why ballots should be cast in person, on simple hand-written ballots and counted at the polling station after voting closes. Voters would show ID's, and there would greater confidence in the result.

What is wrong with checking signatures?

[Non Swing Voter]

What does Trump mean when he talks about the signatures in Georgia?

When absentee ballots are processed, the signatures on the envelopes they arrive in are compared to the signatures on voter registration files. Only if there is a "match" is the ballot legitimate.

After matching, the envelopes are opened and the ballot itself is seperated from the envelope with the signatures to ensure voter secrecy.

Then the actual ballots are counted.

Trump wants to go back and rematch signatures, which is impossible since the ballots and the signatures are seperated after signature verification.

So basically, it is a completely ridiculous bad faith argument from Trump and his cronies. All they care about is making it seem like the election was fraudulent.

The signatures were not matched in accord with Georgia statute.

If large numbers of ballots were unlawfully accepted it could have affected the outcome of the election. Assuming ballots were fraudulently cast, the ballots would likely tilt one way. It would taint the result of the election, regardless whether you can identify the ballots.

You are the one making the bad faith argument:

You are arguing that even if it is determined that a crime was committed, that since we can not know who committed it, or what the effect of the crime was.

The issue is that they haven't presented any evidence that fraud happened at all: never mind on a scale required to change the results of the election.  If you seek to change the results of an election or to seek a re-run its not about presenting the potential of irregularities; you have to prove that they happened and that the number of affected votes could theoretically have changed the election.  Its not as simple as "well don't count mail in ballots" since that would disenfranchise those that voted legally: they'd need to find 12,000 votes that were counted illegally (or indeed 12,000 that were not counted that should have been) and present that if they sought to change things.  They haven't because they can't prove that happened and so the election result must stand: you can't overturn the result of a democratic vote just based on the potential that fraud happened since that would go against the basic principle that unless proven otherwise we trust that our elections are free and fair.

An election in Austria was nullified because inferior glue was used for some envelopes. Or was that the one where some of the tellers did not show up to count ballots?

This is why ballots should be cast in person, on simple hand-written ballots and counted at the polling station after voting closes. Voters would show ID's, and there would greater confidence in the result.

What is wrong with checking signatures?

Funny how this is all of a sudden a concern from you even though Republicans have been voting absentee in large numbers in places like Florida for years.  Why not just admit to yourself that Trump is a loser and move on with your life?

[SteveRogers]

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What is wrong with checking signatures?

The signatures were checked at the time the ballots were processed.

The only thing the Georgia settlement changed was 1) requiring multiple election officials to agree that a signature mismatch existed before rejecting a ballot, and 2) requiring election officials to more promptly notify voters of a signature mismatch to give the voter a chance to resolve the issue.

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336666810742149120
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336668083822473221

[SteveRogers]

Sounds like Trump’s ace legal team will be bringing some ironclad arguments to the #SupremeCourt
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1336691981981016066?s=21

[Former President tack50]

It's about getting a pardon, not constitutional law.

Shredding the nation's constitutional fabric and the bonds of trust that hold us together not only as a country but as a people, to impress somebody with the ability to get you out of jail free. This from self-identified "conservatives"! Hope he sees this, bro.

I know self-pardons are iffy constitutionally, but can't Trump just resign, then have Pence pardon him. Or Trump pardon himself and hope the stacked SC ratifies that if it is tested?

If it was all for just a Trump pardon, why do all of this and try to cast doubts in the election?

[Wiz in Wis]

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What is wrong with checking signatures?

The signatures were checked at the time the ballots were processed.

The only thing the Georgia settlement changed was 1) requiring multiple election officials to agree that a signature mismatch existed before rejecting a ballot, and 2) requiring election officials to more promptly notify voters of a signature mismatch to give the voter a chance to resolve the issue.

Also, and I cannot stress this enough, the signatures were checked TWICE. Once a person registered to vote absentee, their signature was compared to the one on file (usually a drivers license) to serve as ID, and then again when the ballot envelope was received.

And, for the record, signature matching should probably be considered dubious if multiple people don't reject the match. Otherwise you'd get inter-coder reliability issues. What if Bob decides to be a real stickler on dotted i's but Jerry doesn't care... that creates due-process issues. If both Bob and Jerry have to reject it... that's a better system.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Sounds like Trump’s ace legal team will be bringing some ironclad arguments to the #SupremeCourt
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1336691981981016066?s=21

Trump is an LBJ ballot stuffing/Cook County Daley machine 1960 truther, I see.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

No Republican won without VT or ILL prior to 2000, either.



Such meaningless statements but the uninformed are going to lap it up like nobody's business.

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336691515398250498
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336695746029121537

[Bootes Void]

No president won the election without Missouri until 2008. At some point streaks end

[Battista Minola 1616]

Sounds like Trump’s ace legal team will be bringing some ironclad arguments to the #SupremeCourt
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1336691981981016066?s=21

Trump is an LBJ ballot stuffing/Cook County Daley machine 1960 truther, I see.

The obvious correlation between Catholicism and winning elections while losing both Florida and Ohio makes me think he's just a bigot.

[compucomp]

I've said this before, but Democrats really should have been organizing large scale "Honor the Vote" protests. We only hear the MAGA voices and Trump insisting the election was stolen and it could easily reach (maybe already reached?) a point where it distorts public opinion. There needs to be a public reminder that Biden won the freaking election and that the will of the American people must be respected.

[Hammy]

I've said this before, but Democrats really should have been organizing large scale "Honor the Vote" protests. We only hear the MAGA voices and Trump insisting the election was stolen and it could easily reach (maybe already reached?) a point where it distorts public opinion. There needs to be a public reminder that Biden won the freaking election and that the will of the American people must be respected.

Yes, organize protests against something that isn't succeeding in the first place so we can kill more people with COVID. Brilliant logic.

[Non Swing Voter]

Trump's mental breakdown is even more glorious than I dreamed of.  Kind of glad it wasn't an early night blowout now.  Made his devastating loss more stinging for him and his supporters.

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336733602902659075

Because they fell for the red mirage and didn't do the math.