🇬🇷 Greek politics and elections

[Mike88]

Polls are now closed across the country and counting is under way.

Municipal elections results page

Regional elections results page

[Mike88]

The only interest in Mayorships is who comes 2nd in Athens, but that's a formality due to a lack of organised opposition parties.

So far PASOK is in 2nd, but less than 1% counted.

[Mike88]

Results of the 4 Major cities:

Athens: (82.1% reporting)

41.3% Bakogiannis (ND) - Runoff
14.3% Doukas (PASOK) - Runoff
13.3% Zachariadis (Syriza)
12.8% Sofianos (KKE)
  8.3% Kasidiaris (Spartans)
  6.1% Papadikis (MeRA25)
  3.8% Paoadopoulou (Ind.)

31.8% Turnout

Thessaloniki: (68.6% reporting)

27.3% Zervas (ND) - Runoff
25.8% Angeloudis (Ind/PASOK) - Runoff
20.8% Pegkas (Syriza)
  6.9% Tompoulidis (KKE)
  5.5% Keki (Ind./MeRA25)
  5.5% Tsavlis (Ind./ND)
  4.6% Kalogiros (Ind./ND)
  1.6% Ziampazis (Ind.)

40.7% Turnout

Patras: (69.0% reporting)

40.3% Peletidis (KKE) - Runoff
25.8% Svolis (Ind./ND) - Runoff
19.3% Aivalis (PASOK/Syriza)
14.6% Psomas (Ind.)

53.8% Turnout

Piraeus: (86.3% reporting)

69.8% Moralis (Ind./ND/PASOK)
14.0% Gavrilis (Syriza)
11.6% Ampatielos (KKE)
  2.5% Diavolakis
  2.2% Nizamis (Ind.)

34.9% Turnout

[Mike88]

Results of the 5 main regions:

Attica: (76.2% reporting)

46.5% Chardalias (ND)
15.7% Ioakeimidis (Ind./Syriza)
14.0% Protoulis (KKE)
13.2% Sgouros (PASOK)
  3.2% Kampouris (Ind.)
  2.9% Dimitriou (Ind.)
  2.5% Tsichli (LAE - ΑΑ)
  2.0% Toulgaridis (ANT.AR.SY.A)

45.3% Turnout

Central Macedonia: (69.7% reporting)

60.0% Tzitzikostas (ND)
10.7% Papastergiou (PASOK)
  8.0% Avramopoulos (KKE)
  7.2% Mylopoulos (Syriza)
  4.0% Kyrilidis (Spartans)
  3.9% Rokos (Ind.)
  2.5% Gkanoulis (Ind.)
  2.0% Charalampidou (LAE - ΑΑ)
  1.8% Agapitos (ANT.AR.SY.A)

52.0% Turnout

Thessaly: (70.6% reporting)

41.4% Agorastos (ND) - Runoff
34.1% Kouretas (Ind./PASOK/Syriza) - Runoff
12.9% Tsiaples (KKE)
  9.4% Tzanakouli (Ind./ND)
  2.2% Talachoupis (ANT.AR.SY.A)

58.1% Turnout

Western Greece: (67.3% reporting)

58.5% Farmakis (ND)
13.2% Skiadaresis (PASOK)
12.1% Karpetas (Ind./Syriza)
  9.7% Parisis (KKE)
  2.9% Chatzilamprou (LAE - ΑΑ)
  2.2% Kolliopoulos (Ind.)
  1.4% Kosinas (ANT.AR.SY.A)

57.8% Turnout

Crete: (67.4% reporting)

78.3% Arnaoutakis (PASOK/ND)
10.9% Danellis (Syriza)
  8.4% Marinakis (KKE)
  2.4% Zampoulakis (ANT.AR.SY.A)

60.4% Turnout

[Mike88]

Regional elections, Popular vote*:

46.1% ND
15.0% PASOK
10.0% KKE
  9.7% Syriza
  1.6% Antarsya
  1.3% LAE-AA
16.3% Independents

  6.5% Blank/Invalid ballots

52.5% Turnout

* Independents count also as candidates who ran on their own but that received party support.

Also, Oldtimer and Landslide Lyndon is there any data of municipalities won by each party?

[Mike88]

Regional elections, Popular vote*:

46.1% ND
15.0% PASOK
10.0% KKE
  9.7% Syriza
  1.6% Antarsya
  1.3% LAE-AA
16.3% Independents

  6.5% Blank/Invalid ballots

52.5% Turnout

* Independents count also as candidates who ran on their own but that received party support.

Also, Oldtimer and Landslide Lyndon is there any data of municipalities won by each party?

What you did was a good try, but there isn't accurate data about municipalities, because dejure support from Parties was mostly in large municipalities not small ones, plus the local mobster boss angle makes it even blurrier.

Even the regional vote is a bit misleadiing since Independent candidates had unofficial support from parties and some candidates even from multiple parties, but it does reflect local party membership strength.

It's better to compare local greek results with the previous ones.

A quick comparison gives me a picture of continued organizational decline of opposition parties apart from the Communists, and that the Right hasn't split off from ND on the local level yet.

Yeah, I found some results in which there was no party indication to the candidates. I know that local elections in Greece are more non-partisan unlike the majority of EU countries, but still, it was worth the shot. You say that ND is losing support in, for example, rural areas? Where do you think those votes are going to?

[Mike88]

So far, very low turnout in the local elections runoff. At 2.30pm, just 23.1% had cast a ballot, compared with the 30.8% last Sunday at the same hour.

There are 84 runoffs out of the 332 municipalities, and 6 runoffs out of the 13 regions. The main races are Athens and Thessaloniki cities and the Thessaly region.

[Mike88]

Polls close in 15 minutes. At 5:30pm, turnout stood at just 31.2%.

[Mike88]

Still early, but the first returns show that official ND candidates are performing quite badly.

[Mike88]

Thessaloniki seems lost for ND. In Athens, Bakogiannis (ND) is behind the PASOK supported candidate 45-55%.

Thessaly region is also trending in favour of the Opposition, with the ND candidate trailing 47-53%.

[Mike88]

Athens is also lost for ND. 62% counted and it's 56-44% in favour of Charis Doukas (PASOK).

Thessaloniki is a "humilliation" for ND. 52% counted and Angeloudis (Ind/PASOK) is trouncing the incumbent ND mayor, Kostas Zervas, 67-33%.

Thessaly region is now official, ND has lost: 59% counted and Kostas Agorastos (ND) is trailing against the Ind/Syriza/PASOK candidate Dimitrios Kouretas, 41-59%.

ND incumbents/official candidates have also lost the Western Macedonia region, the Eastern Macedonia & Thrace region, the North Aegean region and the Ionian Islands. The only bright spot for ND is the region of Peloponnese, where the ND candidate is ahead 52-48%.

[Mike88]

Results of the 3 Major cities: (nationwide turnout 40.7%)

Athens:

56.0% Doukas (PASOK)
44.0% Bakogiannis (ND)

26.7% Turnout

Thessaloniki:

67.3% Angeloudis (Ind/PASOK)
32.7% Zervas (ND)

32.6% Turnout

Patras:

56.7% Peletidis (KKE)
43.3% Svolis (Ind./ND)

44.4% Turnout

[Mike88]

Regions: (nationwide turnout 35.2%)

Thessaly:

59.7% Kouretas (Ind./PASOK/Syriza)
40.3% Agorastos (ND)

39.4% Turnout

Peloponnese:

52.8% Ptochos (ND)
47.2% Tatoulis (Ind.)

33.0% Turnout

Easter Macedonia & Thrace:

50.9% Topsidis (Ind./ND)
49.1% Metios (ND)

35.3% Turnout

[Mike88]

That was a real shellacking for the candidates of ND and the first decisive defeat for Mitsotakis since 2016.
PASOK in now clearly the opposition party while SYRIZA can be at best described as its junior partner.

It was invevitable, someone can win power with just 37% of the vote, but when they need 50%+ they usually lose unless genuinely popular.

However neither PASOK or SYRIZA are a credible or popular opposition, at least right now, and the center-left is too small to win a Parliamentary election.

Even Kasselakis has fled to America after just 2 weeks on the job, full of collisions, internal fighting, and public ridicule.

I think the election results are a way for voters to not put all the "eggs in the same basket", and for ND to have some kind of counterbalance, at least on the local level.

[Mike88]

It seems that Kasselakis has started to expel party members. He accuses them of being "TV sponsors" of Mitsotakis. Many are warning that the Syriza is on the verge of disintegration.

[Mike88]

Latest poll:

https://twitter.com/GreeceElects/status/1717274767999291502

[Mike88]

Removed the local election dates from the title.

Syriza’s disintegration seems to have started according to twitter.

From what I read in Greek press, 4 MPs have left the party and 43 members of party's central committee have also left. Euclid Tsakalotos, former Finance minister and former leadership candidate, is one of them.

[Mike88]

First poll in 11 years in which PASOK is the second biggest party:

Opinion Poll for Action24:

38.5% ND (-0.6)
16.0% PASOK (+3.7)
14.7% Syriza (-2.6)
10.6% KKE (+1.1)
  5.9% EL (nc)
  3.9% NIKI (-0.7)
  3.0% Spartans (-0.6)
  2.5% PE (-0.9)
  2.4% MeRA25
  2.5% Other parties (-1.8 )

Poll conducted between 13 and 15 November 2023. Polled 1,011 voters.

[Mike88]

Parts of Syriza's youth movement are also leaving the party.

https://twitter.com/ekathimerini/status/1726223441223876806

[Mike88]

In this week's episode, 9 MPs leave Syriza as a new poll puts the party tied with KKE at 3rd place:

https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1727699944692121991

ATHENS — Greece’s main opposition party Syriza continues to dissolve, with another exodus of members, accusing the party leader of “authoritarian behavior.”

Nine lawmakers, including ex-ministers and senior party officials, announced on Thursday they are leaving the party, leaving Syriza with just 36 MPs in the 300-seat parliament, just four more than the third party, the socialist Pasok party.
(...)

Prorata poll: (after 15.5% of undecideds are excluded)

40.2% ND (+1.7)
14.2% PASOK (+1.4)
12.4% KKE (+1.8 )
12.4% Syriza (-4.9)
  4.7% EL (-2.0)
  4.1% PE (+1.9)
  3.0% NIKI (-0.4)
  3.0% Spartans (-0.9)
  2.4% MeRA25
  3.6% Other parties (-1.0)

Poll conducted between 15 and 20 November 2023. Polled 1,000 voters.

[Mike88]

I think this talk of Misotakis going to an EU post is just completely stupid, besides being just out of this world, and not sure if it has any ground.

In another topic, PASOK, according to polls, has slipped to third place and "car crash" Syriza is back in second place. Is Androulakis leadership being contested?

[Mike88]

I think this talk of Misotakis going to an EU post is just completely stupid, besides being just out of this world, and not sure if it has any ground.

In another topic, PASOK, according to polls, has slipped to third place and "car crash" Syriza is back in second place. Is Androulakis leadership being contested?

Looks like Antonio Costa and Leo Varadkar might have competition, seems an EU post is the dream of PM's lately.

As for PASOK, it's probably just a blip from Andreas Loverdos (serial loser of the PASOK leadership who failed to even get elected as an MP) founding his own party and getting 2% initially.

Maybe. I just think it's weird that talk, as he just won a major landslide a few months ago. Oh, there was a split in PASOK. Still, it's a bit embarrasing to be behind current day Syriza, but it seems that Greek politics is morfing into a one major party system with tons of minor opposition parties.

[Mike88]

I think this talk of Misotakis going to an EU post is just completely stupid, besides being just out of this world, and not sure if it has any ground.

In another topic, PASOK, according to polls, has slipped to third place and "car crash" Syriza is back in second place. Is Androulakis leadership being contested?

Looks like Antonio Costa and Leo Varadkar might have competition, seems an EU post is the dream of PM's lately.

As for PASOK, it's probably just a blip from Andreas Loverdos (serial loser of the PASOK leadership who failed to even get elected as an MP) founding his own party and getting 2% initially.

Maybe. I just think it's weird that talk, as he just won a major landslide a few months ago. Oh, there was a split in PASOK. Still, it's a bit embarrasing to be behind current day Syriza, but it seems that Greek politics is morfing into a one major party system with tons of minor opposition parties.

The landslide was articifial.

If you go back and see the posts on this thread, you will see that initially he had trouble getting re-elected, under the weight of all the scandals and disasters.

It was only when Varoufakis+Katrougalos scared people into rallying behind ND, that his re-election became certain.

As for the current party system, it's still similar to Portugal's, just with the PS being split in 2 equal parts for now.

Artificial or not, it was a landslide still, but it its what it is. Curious trend of incumbent PMs just wrecking their "surprise" majorities, first it was Trudeau, then Boris, Costa and now Misotakis.

There's a difference, Portugal is nowadays a three major party system, in which gridlock is the norm, but that's talk for the Portuguese thread.