1988 United States Presidential Election

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

No reason to abandon Bayh.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Ooh! Shall it go to the House?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Liberals, remember that McCarthy referred to Ronald Reagan as "the best president ever". And also remember that, if you don't like the two-party system, you also have Ross Perot and Ralph Nader, the latter of whom I am really considering voting for.

And Tony, remember that Paul is also costing Kemp votes. And, to round out the candidates, who voted for Duke?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Liberals, remember that McCarthy referred to Ronald Reagan as "the best president ever". And also remember that, if you don't like the two-party system, you also have Ross Perot and Ralph Nader, the latter of whom I am really considering voting for.

And Tony, remember that Paul is also costing Kemp votes. And, to round out the candidates, who voted for Duke?

Knowing this forum, I'm surprised Paul isn't actually leading Kemp.

Oh gosh. Don't jinx it!

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Why do the elections where we can see the votes always end up being the closest?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Kemp's winning! Come on, guys, I want to break the 1900-1916 election winning streak!

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The first day tricked me into thinking this would be an interesting election.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Looks like the corrupt, racist, right-wing "Democratic" party has surged back into the lead.

I like the bit where you called the party that recently had a black Vice-President and elects its leaders by popular vote racist and corrupt because they didn't nominate exactly whom you wanted them to nominate.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

It'd be fun if this were to go to the House.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Looks like the corrupt, racist, right-wing "Democratic" party has surged back into the lead.

I like the bit where you called the party that recently had a black Vice-President and elects its leaders by popular vote racist and corrupt because they didn't nominate exactly whom you wanted them to nominate.

Maybe he just doesn't like how we broke the glass ceiling for Italian-Americans in US politics.  If anything, our party is becoming even more diverse. 

True. The Republicans seem to still be riding on Frederick Douglass as evidence that they aren't racist, just like a certain poster I could name.

If Ron Paul costs the Republicans a win, I think I'll just break down and cry.

If Eugene McCarthy and that Fulani lady cost the Democrats a win, I think I'll do the same.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

McCarthy, the Democratic party is too right-wing now.

Do you know what McCarthy actually stood for?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

McCarthy, the Democratic party is too right-wing now.

Do you know what McCarthy actually stood for?

Protest vote is protest vote.

You could vote for, say, Lenora Fulani.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The only real protest vote is a vote for Kemp to end the sclerotic one-party rule of the right-wing Democratic party. Then we can elect a left-winger in 1992.

Cuomo?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Yeah... down with those horrible right wing democrats that supported equal rights for women and minorities, pro choice policies, lowering the voting age to 18, repealing "right to work" laws, and abolishing the electoral college in favor of a direct popular vote.  All clearly horrible policies that will bring us back to the stone age.

As if Jesse Jackson didn't stand for those things and more?

So is anyone who disagrees with you on any issue at all right-wing? If so, you have a very strange definition of left vs. right.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Yeah... down with those horrible right wing democrats that supported equal rights for women and minorities, pro choice policies, lowering the voting age to 18, repealing "right to work" laws, and abolishing the electoral college in favor of a direct popular vote.  All clearly horrible policies that will bring us back to the stone age.

As if Jesse Jackson didn't stand for those things and more?

So is anyone who disagrees with you on any issue at all right-wing? If so, you have a very strange definition of left vs. right.

And that's how we ended up with modern day Democratic party. Also I voted strategically for the Democrats or Progressives a couple times earlier instead of Socialist party, and I didn't vote for Socialist Labor against the Socialists despite agreeing more with their platform.

I'm not sure how this answers my question...

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I think this is over, I don't see Kemp getting an extra 9 votes.

It seems the Democrats have had an absolutely rock solid 25-30 votes recently. The GOP is so close, yet so far!

Maybe what you need is Ross Perot's charts of destiny. 

Yes, I think Perot and Nader could be a big thorn in the side of the Democrats. We may not see President Cuomo or President Bradley.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I think this is over, I don't see Kemp getting an extra 9 votes.

It seems the Democrats have had an absolutely rock solid 25-30 votes recently. The GOP is so close, yet so far!

Maybe what you need is Ross Perot's charts of destiny. 

Yes, I think Perot and Nader could be a big thorn in the side of the Democrats. We may not see President Cuomo or President Bradley.

I'm not a protectionist, but I could definitely back Perot depending on the Republican candidate. Nader? Well, perhaps not. (Of course, Democrat over Nader if the GOP nominee is rubbish!)

I'm predicting Cuomo v. Bush v. Perot '92, Cuomo v. Kemp v. Perot '96 (assuming Cuomo wins the GE '92), Bradley v. Nader v. McCain '00. Then I don't know at all really.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Look people, let's make a deal. Can we have Cuomo from 1993-1997 and then Perot 1997-2005? I really want at least one term of Cuomo.

How about two terms of Cuomo, one of Nader, two of Dean, and then Cain 2012?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Any way we can get Teddy to run?

Only if he's someone's VP. The best way I can think to work him in would be a Cuomo/Kennedy ticket '93-'01, then Teddy '01-'09, then possibly Nader '09-'13 (he got 0.56% in '08, is that below the cutoff? Do we have a cutoff?), then the Cain Train '13-Forever.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Any way we can get Teddy to run?

Only if he's someone's VP. The best way I can think to work him in would be a Cuomo/Kennedy ticket '93-'01, then Teddy '01-'09, then possibly Nader '09-'13 (he got 0.56% in '08, is that below the cutoff? Do we have a cutoff?), then the Cain Train '13-Forever.

You know what? I'm officially endorsing this as the Alfred F. Jones Approved Sequence of Presidents for the Future.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Any way we can get Teddy to run?

Only if he's someone's VP. The best way I can think to work him in would be a Cuomo/Kennedy ticket '93-'01, then Teddy '01-'09, then possibly Nader '09-'13 (he got 0.56% in '08, is that below the cutoff? Do we have a cutoff?), then the Cain Train '13-Forever.

You know what? I'm officially endorsing this as the Alfred F. Jones Approved Sequence of Presidents for the Future.

I officially anti-endorse it.  Also I will support any Republican ticket running against any Democratic ticket with Ted Kennedy on it.  I don't care what his politics are, the man proved himself to be unfit for elected office when Chappaquiddick happened.

We can do Bradley 2000 then.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Come on, Birch!

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Can we please not 'plan' presidencies, it makes it awfully boring.

Derp.

Also this

Did you not, on IRC, tell me that you voted unpledged '64 so the Republicans would get the blame for Vietnam and we could elect McGovern '68? That seems planned to me.

Also, Birch is 0.6 points below the lowest percentage of the popular vote with which a person won: Margaret Chase Smith '64 with 40.3%.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Can we please not 'plan' presidencies, it makes it awfully boring.

Derp.

Also this

Did you not, on IRC, tell me that you voted unpledged '64 so the Republicans would get the blame for Vietnam and we could elect McGovern '68? That seems planned to me.

Also, Birch is 0.6 points below the lowest percentage of the popular vote with which a person won: Margaret Chase Smith '64 with 40.3%.

I recall TR getting a ridiculously low percentage in 1916.

As a matter of fact, you are right, Mr. God. He got 35.8%.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Damn, we almost did it. Don't worry guys, next year!

So you're actively campaigning for the Republicans now? Tell me, how and why is the Democratic Party racist and corrupt?