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Poll
Question: in the Austrian "conscription referendum" in January 2013 ?
#1
Keep the mandatory 6-month draft and 9 month civil service		  
#2
Abolish the draft & civil service and create a professional army		  
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Partisan results
Total Voters: 99

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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« on: January 15, 2011, 01:34:09 PM »
What the hell, they still have conscription in Austria ? Shocked

Horrendous. Abolish it immediately.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 06:10:21 AM »
Quote from: Franzl on January 15, 2011, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: Senator Antonio V on January 15, 2011, 01:34:09 PM
What the hell, they still have conscription in Austria ? Shocked

Horrendous. Abolish it immediately.

We still do in Germany as well......until the 1st of July officially Smiley

So you actually did your military service ? Well, congratulations. Wink

The two only good things Chirac has ever done were abolishing conscription and opposing the Irak war.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 08:43:12 AM »
Quote from: Franzl on January 16, 2011, 08:20:23 AM
No, Antonio....I have a good lawyer. I didn't do military service Smiley

You dirty privileged... Grin

Seriously though, I would also probably have tried any possible way to escape it. Wink
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 10:35:50 AM »
Quote from: Franzl on January 16, 2011, 08:45:46 AM
Quote from: Senator Antonio V on January 16, 2011, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: Franzl on January 16, 2011, 08:20:23 AM
No, Antonio....I have a good lawyer. I didn't do military service Smiley

You dirty privileged... Grin

Seriously though, I would also probably have tried any possible way to escape it. Wink

Yeah it's pretty crazy, the way it works in Germany right now. Only about 50% of 18-year olds are declared "medically fit" to serve......and of those, only about 50% ever actually get a letter telling them to report for duty.

Unfortunately, I was unlucky on both Smiley

What do you need to be "mentally fit" to serve in the military ? I thought officers prefered when their soldiers don't think too much. Grin
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2011, 02:29:19 PM »
Quote from: Tender Branson on January 16, 2011, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: Senator Antonio V on January 16, 2011, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Franzl on January 16, 2011, 08:45:46 AM
Quote from: Senator Antonio V on January 16, 2011, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: Franzl on January 16, 2011, 08:20:23 AM
No, Antonio....I have a good lawyer. I didn't do military service Smiley

You dirty privileged... Grin

Seriously though, I would also probably have tried any possible way to escape it. Wink

Yeah it's pretty crazy, the way it works in Germany right now. Only about 50% of 18-year olds are declared "medically fit" to serve......and of those, only about 50% ever actually get a letter telling them to report for duty.

Unfortunately, I was unlucky on both Smiley

What do you need to be "mentally fit" to serve in the military ? I thought officers prefered when their soldiers don't think too much. Grin

In Austria, about 15% of those drafted each year are determined "unfit" for service due to medical or psychlogical reasons, including me. That's why I had the luck to do neither service: military, nor civil service ... Wink

Do you take a test or something like that to be deemed unfit ? How does than work.

And @belgiansoc : It was supposed to be a joke. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2011, 05:15:50 AM »
Why did the opinion shift so much ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2011, 10:49:52 AM »
Quote from: Tender Branson on February 07, 2011, 05:52:53 AM
Quote from: Franzl on February 07, 2011, 05:43:36 AM
98% like slave labor?

Why do so many Austrians hate freedom? Wink

Because they think that other systems of professional armys will be much more expensive (see NATO countries), natural disaster relief more complicated and the social safety net more porous, so they favor the current system.

And there's probably also the "if I had to do it when I was young and it didn't kill me, the young people of today should have to do it as well"-mentality ... Wink

This explains why some people oppose it, not why people initially supported it then changed their minds. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2011, 11:20:15 AM »
Oh well, thanks. Smiley
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2011, 02:02:21 PM »
>30 year olds and women want to keep the draft ? Huh
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2011, 02:37:52 PM »
Oh, that makes a lot more sense now... Tongue

So the question asked is basically "do you want not to abolish the draft ?". Grin Looks quite retarded.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2011, 02:50:13 PM »
But referendums are to make a change, and traditionally the option "yes" indicates change while "no" indicates continuity.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2011, 09:17:36 AM »
Oh, so that just means the poll phrased the question stupidly. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 02:48:11 AM »
So it won't be abolished eventually...

I HATE REFERENDUMS.
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