Multiple Victims Reported Shot In San Bernardino

[DrScholl]

No one has ever damn well said there are no terrorists that are Muslims. The problem has always been there are people who generalize all Muslims for what an individual does.

At this point, it looks like this was a workplace shooting, so any argument that it was an attack by ISIS is a stretch.

Yeah just like the Fort Hood attack was "workplace violence"

The term would be yes, not "yeah". From what we know about this case, there was so sort of dispute at a holiday party and the shooter came back with a gun. That sounds like a workplace shooting, not an attack by ISIS.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Sheriff Joe and this New York Sheriff are thinking too much alike.

[DINGO Joe]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

I guess Sayed radicalization came via the internet, so the Trump Tards will now clamour for cutting the overseas cables.

[Green Line]

No one has ever damn well said there are no terrorists that are Muslims. The problem has always been there are people who generalize all Muslims for what an individual does.

At this point, it looks like this was a workplace shooting, so any argument that it was an attack by ISIS is a stretch.

Yeah just like the Fort Hood attack was "workplace violence"

The term would be yes, not "yeah". From what we know about this case, there was so sort of dispute at a holiday party and the shooter came back with a gun. That sounds like a workplace shooting, not an attack by ISIS.

It was clearly premeditated.  You think he went home, made a pipe bomb in an hour, and came back to work?  They found thousands of rounds of ammo and 12 pipe bombs in his house! This wasn't just a spur of the moment thing, you crazy.   And its already been confirmed he was radicalized, stop grasping at straws

[DrScholl]

No one has ever damn well said there are no terrorists that are Muslims. The problem has always been there are people who generalize all Muslims for what an individual does.

At this point, it looks like this was a workplace shooting, so any argument that it was an attack by ISIS is a stretch.

Yeah just like the Fort Hood attack was "workplace violence"

The term would be yes, not "yeah". From what we know about this case, there was so sort of dispute at a holiday party and the shooter came back with a gun. That sounds like a workplace shooting, not an attack by ISIS.

It was clearly premeditated.  You think he went home, made a pipe bomb in an hour, and came back to work?  They found thousands of rounds of ammo and 12 pipe bombs in his house! This wasn't just a spur of the moment thing, you crazy.   And its already been confirmed he was radicalized, stop grasping at straws

As pointed out by others, why would ISIS attack a random holiday party? The idea that this was an ISIS attack doesn't add up.

[Mr. Reactionary]

No one has ever damn well said there are no terrorists that are Muslims. The problem has always been there are people who generalize all Muslims for what an individual does.

At this point, it looks like this was a workplace shooting, so any argument that it was an attack by ISIS is a stretch.

Yeah just like the Fort Hood attack was "workplace violence"

The term would be yes, not "yeah". From what we know about this case, there was so sort of dispute at a holiday party and the shooter came back with a gun. That sounds like a workplace shooting, not an attack by ISIS.

It was clearly premeditated.  You think he went home, made a pipe bomb in an hour, and came back to work?  They found thousands of rounds of ammo and 12 pipe bombs in his house! This wasn't just a spur of the moment thing, you crazy.   And its already been confirmed he was radicalized, stop grasping at straws

Check your privilege. This wasn't some evil white Christian terrorist. This poor man was likely harassed at work because of structural racism. And also guns.

[Reaganfan]

No one has ever damn well said there are no terrorists that are Muslims. The problem has always been there are people who generalize all Muslims for what an individual does.

At this point, it looks like this was a workplace shooting, so any argument that it was an attack by ISIS is a stretch.

Workplace shooting by a Muslim with pipe-bombs and weapons filling his home and a radical Muslim girlfriend who came over with a Pakistani visa.

[Sbane]

Dont try to trivialize random tweets from people on the internet?

What I'm suggesting is that you are a hack trying to spin a terrorist attack by picking out random internet quotes.

Edit: Im actually giving you too much credit because you havent even provided any evidence

Not worth engaging dude ... they're turning it into a race thing.

It's your side that wants to turn this into "OMG ISIS" before we even know all the facts and what motivated this attack. Not that this couldn't be terrorism inspired by ISIS or similar groups, but the target just seems odd. Regardless of what the motive ultimately turns out to be, I predict Trump or some other Republican will be out there calling for more Muslims to be targeted/registered or perhaps there might even be a call for a "final solution".

I did not and still have not speculated on motive, as opposed to the multiple "OMG white republican terrorist." "I hope he's a white christian terrorist"

I said your side has been doing it, not you specifically. Just look above my post.

Except its not speculation anymore.  Its a fact

It is still speculation. Why would he target a holiday party? The fort hood shooting could be terrorism since the victims were US military personnel. Why would he shoot up his own place of work when it's just a random government department in the armpit of California? Obviously this was premeditated, no doubt about that. It still doesn't mean this was "terrorism". Although please tell me, why does it matter if it was Islamic terrorism or not?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

[Zache]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

 A terrorist incident by foreign Muslims or refugees could definitely propel Trump to the presidency, but I don't know about domestic terrorism. We'll see.

[Sbane]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

[DINGO Joe]

 A federal law enforcement source told The Times Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik bought the guns at Annie's Get Your Gun, a firearms retailer in nearby Corona that advertises itself as a "family-friendly gun store."

A person who identified themselves as the owner denied that the store sold the weapons to the suspects.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

[Tender Branson]

It's also possible that the couple were Far Right-Wing nuts.

[Badger]

Folks, can we kindly cease dichotomizing whether this was an act of workplace violence "versus" one of radicalization-inspired terrorism ? The two are hardly mutually exclusive.

[Sbane]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

What's over? Is this more tragic if it's terrorism versus workplace violence? And as Badger points out, this could be a combination of both. Guy gets radicalized. Throw in some badgering at work due to his religion and viola. I don't see how this can be more tragic whether it was terrorism, workplace violence or a combination of both.

Of course people need to find out what it is so they can properly respond to it. For conservatives it's "isolated incident by crazy guy" vs "all the muslims are terrorists!!!!" For liberals it's " we need gun reform!!!" vs "isolated incident by crazy muslim guy".

As for me, I find the "all the muslims are terrorists" thinking to be most dangerous to America right now so......

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

What's over? Is this more tragic if it's terrorism versus workplace violence? And as Badger points out, this could be a combination of both. Guy gets radicalized. Throw in some badgering at work due to his religion and viola. I don't see how this can be more tragic whether it was terrorism, workplace violence or a combination of both.

Of course people need to find out what it is so they can properly respond to it. For conservatives it's "isolated incident by crazy guy" vs "all the muslims are terrorists!!!!" For liberals it's " we need gun reform!!!" vs "isolated incident by crazy muslim guy".

As for me, I find the "all the muslims are terrorists" thinking to be most dangerous to America right now so......

No one here is saying that besides one deleted post.

However, ignoring the fact that this is an organized strike against innocent civilians by foreign influenced radicals is just silly at this point. A spree shooting with no larger cause is very different.

This was a strike by our enemy in a war. Global terrorism hit home again, and yes, there is a significant difference.

[Reaganfan]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

What's over? Is this more tragic if it's terrorism versus workplace violence? And as Badger points out, this could be a combination of both. Guy gets radicalized. Throw in some badgering at work due to his religion and viola. I don't see how this can be more tragic whether it was terrorism, workplace violence or a combination of both.

Of course people need to find out what it is so they can properly respond to it. For conservatives it's "isolated incident by crazy guy" vs "all the muslims are terrorists!!!!" For liberals it's " we need gun reform!!!" vs "isolated incident by crazy muslim guy".

As for me, I find the "all the muslims are terrorists" thinking to be most dangerous to America right now so......

Nobody is saying "all Muslims".

[Green Line]

The only people who ever talk about all Muslims are the liberals!  I haven't seen a single conservative ever say all Muslims are terrorists. 

[Sbane]

The only people who ever talk about all Muslims are the liberals!  I haven't seen a single conservative ever say all Muslims are terrorists. 

The frontrunner in your party wants to register ALL muslims!

[Sbane]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

What's over? Is this more tragic if it's terrorism versus workplace violence? And as Badger points out, this could be a combination of both. Guy gets radicalized. Throw in some badgering at work due to his religion and viola. I don't see how this can be more tragic whether it was terrorism, workplace violence or a combination of both.

Of course people need to find out what it is so they can properly respond to it. For conservatives it's "isolated incident by crazy guy" vs "all the muslims are terrorists!!!!" For liberals it's " we need gun reform!!!" vs "isolated incident by crazy muslim guy".

As for me, I find the "all the muslims are terrorists" thinking to be most dangerous to America right now so......

No one here is saying that besides one deleted post.

However, ignoring the fact that this is an organized strike against innocent civilians by foreign influenced radicals is just silly at this point. A spree shooting with no larger cause is very different.

This was a strike by our enemy in a war. Global terrorism hit home again, and yes, there is a significant difference.

Again, it remains to be seen how organized this was. If the shooters had shot up say, the Ontario Mills mall (large outlet mall in the area), I would be the first to acknowledge this was part of a larger plot to terrorize America. Some facts are showing this guy was getting radicalized, but why shoot up his own workplace? Just seems odd. Just because he had "contact" with some extremists doesn't necessarily mean he was part of larger plot or people outside the country told him to do what he did. There is a rush to close up ranks into an "us vs them" mentality by conservatives.

[DrScholl]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

What is over? There is no evidence that this was some coordinated ISIS attack. It seems like some people want this to be tied to ISIS in order to blame Obama. You don't have any evidence.

[SteveRogers]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

What's over? Is this more tragic if it's terrorism versus workplace violence? And as Badger points out, this could be a combination of both. Guy gets radicalized. Throw in some badgering at work due to his religion and viola. I don't see how this can be more tragic whether it was terrorism, workplace violence or a combination of both.

Of course people need to find out what it is so they can properly respond to it. For conservatives it's "isolated incident by crazy guy" vs "all the muslims are terrorists!!!!" For liberals it's " we need gun reform!!!" vs "isolated incident by crazy muslim guy".

As for me, I find the "all the muslims are terrorists" thinking to be most dangerous to America right now so......

Nobody is saying "all Muslims".

Were you or were you not speaking positively about Japanese internment in this thread last night?

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

What's over? Is this more tragic if it's terrorism versus workplace violence? And as Badger points out, this could be a combination of both. Guy gets radicalized. Throw in some badgering at work due to his religion and viola. I don't see how this can be more tragic whether it was terrorism, workplace violence or a combination of both.

Of course people need to find out what it is so they can properly respond to it. For conservatives it's "isolated incident by crazy guy" vs "all the muslims are terrorists!!!!" For liberals it's " we need gun reform!!!" vs "isolated incident by crazy muslim guy".

As for me, I find the "all the muslims are terrorists" thinking to be most dangerous to America right now so......

Nobody is saying "all Muslims".

Except when you did, just last night.

[Joe Republic]

All we know for sure is that the circumstances of this shooting are far too muddy to know which side's narrative won, although it appears to be leaning in favor of the Right.