Character education

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I vote 'no'. Respect cannot be legislated.

Well, it can't be legislated obviously but it obviously SHOULD be taught by parents to their children. As a southerner you should know that NCLib.

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Respect should be earned!

Respect for adults should be earned when it comes to children? I think not. Respect for adults is EXPECTED. At least in this household it is.

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Why, States, should I respect someone for simply being older than me? I give due respect to those who I believe deserve it. But I will not respect someone like Opebo soley because they are older, and thus "more wise" than me. I judge people on their intellect, virtue, morals, and wiseness. I believe that respecting people just because of their age is taking the easy way out of life.

Well, it really doesnt apply to 15-16 year olds as much as it does to 5-10 year olds.

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Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

Because respect for your elders is the foundation of a polite society.

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It's obviously impolite not referring to people by their proper names/titles, but politeness shouldn't have to be enforced. It should be taught by parents at home, not in schools. If you don't know how to address your professor properly by the time you're in college, I don't know what to say - it's your parents' fault most likely, not the grade schools'.

True enough and I agree. But I always use sir and ma'am, on a day to day basis.

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Respect should be earned!

Respect for adults should be earned when it comes to children? I think not. Respect for adults is EXPECTED. At least in this household it is.

So, you expect your kids to respect Michael Jackson?

Most good parents would not let their children spend time with a animal like him.

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Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

Because respect for your elders is the foundation of a polite society.

Care to elaborate?

Respect for your elders generally leads to a respect for others later on in life. Do you think a child who sasses his grandmother or other family member and does "what they feel" is going to have much respect for other human beings as they get older? I am a firm believer in "spare the rod; spoil the child".

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Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

Because respect for your elders is the foundation of a polite society.

Care to elaborate?

Respect for your elders generally leads to a respect for others later on in life. Do you think a child who sasses his grandmother or other family member and does "what they feel" is going to have much respect for other human beings as they get older? I am a firm believer in "spare the rod; spoil the child".

Maybe, maybe not. It is interesting to note that since the 1950s the importance of respecting your elders has decreased and respect for human rights (blacks, women, gays, etc.) has increased.

Respecting your elders and respecting other races can't go hand in hand? You must have never spent anytime in the black community, especially in the south.

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I do, however, think that the words "sir" or "ma'am" are really kind of out of place in the modern world.  I don't know of anyone, young or old, who uses the terms "sir" or "ma'am" in a serious context.  If you're going to have the kids be respectful, at least make them be respectful in a way that actually exists in the real world.  Let's just keep it at "Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss (last name)"; if we take it too far, people are going to be looking at these kids very strangely after they get out of school.

Maybe in Canada but certainly not here.

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Wow, from the response here it sounds like the Northeast and northwest are terrible places to live. No one says "sir" or "ma'am". Do you people even bother to hold doors open for women or open car doors for women anymore? No wonder they say northerners are so brash.

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Hah, yeah supporting allies is consistent with wanting to do what the leader of that country does. Okay, Nice work there

If you support him in power, then you have to face the consequences of that support. Period.

So having a picture of him in my signature means I support what he does. Okay, by the same token, you showing a Democratic avatar means you support all of their policies.

Avatars are a part of the site, duh. Karimov is a little-known third world dictator whose picture you prominently started displaying right around the time of the Andijan massacre. Figure it out.

Were these protestors Muslim extremists?

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Wow, from the response here it sounds like the Northeast and northwest are terrible places to live. No one says "sir" or "ma'am". Do you people even bother to hold doors open for women or open car doors for women anymore? No wonder they say northerners are so brash.

Opening doors for women is condescending to them.

Ok, I'll let it slam in their face then. lol Even my wife hates that kind of extreme feminism. She says, "What kind of rude jerk wouldn't hold a door for a lady?"

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Wow, from the response here it sounds like the Northeast and northwest are terrible places to live. No one says "sir" or "ma'am". Do you people even bother to hold doors open for women or open car doors for women anymore? No wonder they say northerners are so brash.

I'm polite to women.  I just don't call them "ma'am" because everyone I know would look at me very strangely if I did.

I've had several supervisors (female) who got very upset with me when I called them "Ma'am."  It was considered inappropriate.

My oldest daughter says "yes sir" and "yes ma'am" to every grown adult whenever they ask her a question. I don't see how I am doing "the wrong thing" in teaching her that.

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Wow, from the response here it sounds like the Northeast and northwest are terrible places to live. No one says "sir" or "ma'am". Do you people even bother to hold doors open for women or open car doors for women anymore? No wonder they say northerners are so brash.

I'm polite to women.  I just don't call them "ma'am" because everyone I know would look at me very strangely if I did.

I've had several supervisors (female) who got very upset with me when I called them "Ma'am."  It was considered inappropriate.

My oldest daughter says "yes sir" and "yes ma'am" to every grown adult whenever they ask her a question. I don't see how I am doing "the wrong thing" in teaching her that.

Well, at least in many areas of the U.S., it is considered archaic and stuck-up or even sarcastic.

What's wrong with good manners?

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Wow, from the response here it sounds like the Northeast and northwest are terrible places to live. No one says "sir" or "ma'am". Do you people even bother to hold doors open for women or open car doors for women anymore? No wonder they say northerners are so brash.

I'm polite to women.  I just don't call them "ma'am" because everyone I know would look at me very strangely if I did.

I've had several supervisors (female) who got very upset with me when I called them "Ma'am."  It was considered inappropriate.

My oldest daughter says "yes sir" and "yes ma'am" to every grown adult whenever they ask her a question. I don't see how I am doing "the wrong thing" in teaching her that.

Well, at least in many areas of the U.S., it is considered archaic and stuck-up or even sarcastic.

What's wrong with good manners?

You should be aware that  number of people would not being addressed as "sir" or "ma'am" as being appropriate.  I really would prefer a younger child to refer to me as "J. J." or as "Mr. J. J." than being called "sir," for example. 

They do things much differently in the North.

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They do things much differently in the North.

I would say that they do much differently in the South.  This is Northeast, Southwest, West, Mid West.

I'm just mocking you. Every year yankees come down here saying "Well we don't do it this way up NORTH". Such condescending bastards...just leave your money and go the hell up north..That's what I always say to myself.