Israel-Gaza war

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Israel will be done in Rafah in roughly 2 weeks, after which they will pause for negotiations to be attempted. When those negotiations fail, as they inevitably must imo, then Israel will launch a campaign across the northern border. This is highly like to be August 1st, as previously predicted.

There is absolutely no reason to believe Israel is going to invade Lebanon

[axiomsofdominion]

Israel will be done in Rafah in roughly 2 weeks, after which they will pause for negotiations to be attempted. When those negotiations fail, as they inevitably must imo, then Israel will launch a campaign across the northern border. This is highly like to be August 1st, as previously predicted.

There is absolutely no reason to believe Israel is going to invade Lebanon

Well, this is incorrect. But we'll see how it goes on August 1st.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Israel will be done in Rafah in roughly 2 weeks, after which they will pause for negotiations to be attempted. When those negotiations fail, as they inevitably must imo, then Israel will launch a campaign across the northern border. This is highly like to be August 1st, as previously predicted.

There is absolutely no reason to believe Israel is going to invade Lebanon

Would any military action against Lebanon help Bibi stay in power longer? Yes or no?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Israel will be done in Rafah in roughly 2 weeks, after which they will pause for negotiations to be attempted. When those negotiations fail, as they inevitably must imo, then Israel will launch a campaign across the northern border. This is highly like to be August 1st, as previously predicted.

There is absolutely no reason to believe Israel is going to invade Lebanon

Would any military action against Lebanon help Bibi stay in power longer? Yes or no?

No, an invasion of Lebanon would not. 

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Israel will be done in Rafah in roughly 2 weeks, after which they will pause for negotiations to be attempted. When those negotiations fail, as they inevitably must imo, then Israel will launch a campaign across the northern border. This is highly like to be August 1st, as previously predicted.

There is absolutely no reason to believe Israel is going to invade Lebanon

Would any military action against Lebanon help Bibi stay in power longer? Yes or no?

No

What makes you say so?

[CumbrianLefty]

Israel's last invasion of Lebanon went so brilliantly after all

[All Along The Watchtower]

I'm sorry but it is just completely delusional to believe the US would allow Israel to prevent the return of Gazans after the war.

Tell that to survivors of the attack on the USS Liberty.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'm sorry but it is just completely delusional to believe the US would allow Israel to prevent the return of Gazans after the war.

Tell that to survivors of the attack on the USS Liberty.

You mean the ship that everyone agrees was attacked by mistake? 

[Meclazine for Israel]

Noa Rescue Video (just released)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8P3DS-S3VF/

Imagine being at a music festival.

Nek minut. Palestinian terrorists kidnap you on a motorcycle and you become the screaming face of the Gazan war.

Held for 8 months with Palestinian civilians.

Then this moment being rescued by the IDF. Three Palestinian terrorists were neutralised in her rescue.

The most blessed success for the Israeli's and her family.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Israel release names and photos of 10 brave soldiers killed yesterday in Gaza.

IDF Soldiers Killed

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8RNhzNNuHm/

Thoughts with their families. R.I.P.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Israeli's are not giving up on this war anytime soon.

(a) Hostages returned
(b) Hamas dismantled

Soon to be:

(c) Hezbollah dismantled

Hezbollah Scratching and Poking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE7VVhJ2RhE

Supposedly Israel just assassinated one of the top 3 guys in Hezbollah.

Nah, the guy they killed two days ago wasn’t a nobody, but he wasn’t one of the very top guys (much less one of the top three) either.

No I mean as of that post they had literally just assassinated someone, according to early reports. We'll see if that is confirmed.

Holy crap, you’re right!  They just took out Hashim Safi Al-Din aka Hashem Safieddine.  He was third in command of Hezbollah and leader of its entire military wing.  

There was speculation that it was him or another guy at the very top level, Israel claimed they didn't assassinate anyone. There's still some dispute on if someone actually died since Hezbollah is covering up the attack zone. Some argument that Israel hadn't known he was there.

It looks like it was him, Egyptian media is reporting his death and apparently unnamed Lebanese sources have started telling journalists the same (although Hezbollah appears to be trying to cover it up).  Unlike Al-Din, Naim Qassem (the other top guy who was rumored to be in the area) gave a public speech yesterday, so he’s fine.  

I wonder if part of why Al-Din was targeted was because he was quite vocal about pledging to make Israel pay for taking out that field commander in south Lebanon.  This could have easily been Israel essentially saying to the top Hezbollah leadership “don’t even think about crossing any red lines; we know where you live!”  

By many accounts, Nasrallah - despite how he presents himself - very much does not want to die and is genuinely afraid that his death would be inevitable in a true war between Israel and Hezbollah.  As such, this sort of “warning” could definitely be effective with someone like him in a way it wouldn’t be for someone like Yahya Sinwar, who has - for better or worse - committed himself to a fight to the death unless he gets everything he wants (not only will that obviously never happen, but the war will not end - regardless of who is in charge in Israel, the US, or anywhere else - while Yahya Sinwar is still alive; his death is one of several necessary conditions for the war to end along with Deif’s death, Hamas’ removal from power in Gaza, and the release of any surviving hostages*).

*An eventual Israeli military victory is basically inevitable and aside from the hostages (many of whom may simply be shot by Hamas to avoid rescue), all those things are gonna happen in the end.  It may take years, but it’s inevitable.  There may be one or more ceasefires first, but there is no path to victory for Hamas nor a path to long-term survival for Yahya Sinwar.  He’s like Ali Hassan Salamah or Bin Laden.  It may take ten years, but sooner or later (probably during the next few years), they’ll get him.  

[axiomsofdominion]

Israeli's are not giving up on this war anytime soon.

(a) Hostages returned
(b) Hamas dismantled

Soon to be:

(c) Hezbollah dismantled

Hezbollah Scratching and Poking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE7VVhJ2RhE

Supposedly Israel just assassinated one of the top 3 guys in Hezbollah.

Nah, the guy they killed two days ago wasn’t a nobody, but he wasn’t one of the very top guys (much less one of the top three) either.

No I mean as of that post they had literally just assassinated someone, according to early reports. We'll see if that is confirmed.

Holy crap, you’re right!  They just took out Hashim Safi Al-Din aka Hashem Safieddine.  He was third in command of Hezbollah and leader of its entire military wing.  

There was speculation that it was him or another guy at the very top level, Israel claimed they didn't assassinate anyone. There's still some dispute on if someone actually died since Hezbollah is covering up the attack zone. Some argument that Israel hadn't known he was there.

It looks like it was him, Egyptian media is reporting his death and apparently unnamed Lebanese sources have started telling journalists the same (although Hezbollah appears to be trying to cover it up).  Unlike Al-Din, Naim Qassem (the other top guy who was rumored to be in the area) gave a public speech yesterday, so he’s fine.  

I wonder if part of why Al-Din was targeted was because he was quite vocal about pledging to make Israel pay for taking out that field commander in south Lebanon.  This could have easily been Israel essentially saying to the top Hezbollah leadership “don’t even think about crossing any red lines; we know where you live!”  

By many accounts, Nasrallah - despite how he presents himself - very much does not want to die and is genuinely afraid that his death would be inevitable in a true war between Israel and Hezbollah.  As such, this sort of “warning” could definitely be effective with someone like him in a way it wouldn’t be for someone like Yahya Sinwar, who has - for better or worse - committed himself to a fight to the death unless he gets everything he wants (not only will that obviously never happen, but the war will not end - regardless of who is in charge in Israel, the US, or anywhere else - while Yahya Sinwar is still alive; his death is one of several necessary conditions for the war to end along with Deif’s death, Hamas’ removal from power in Gaza, and the release of any surviving hostages*).

*An eventual Israeli military victory is basically inevitable and aside from the hostages (many of whom may simply be shot by Hamas to avoid rescue), all those things are gonna happen in the end.  It may take years, but it’s inevitable.  There may be one or more ceasefires first, but there is no path to victory for Hamas nor a path to long-term survival for Yahya Sinwar.  He’s like Ali Hassan Salamah or Bin Laden.  It may take ten years, but sooner or later (probably during the next few years), they’ll get him.  

There were initial reports that he had been hit by the strike but lived, and that the Israelis hadn't known he was there. Egyptian media has been making statements in the last 24 hours that he had died? Wonder if the IDF will eventually make a statement.

[CumbrianLefty]

I'm sorry but it is just completely delusional to believe the US would allow Israel to prevent the return of Gazans after the war.

Tell that to survivors of the attack on the USS Liberty.

You mean the ship that everyone agrees was attacked by mistake? 

Everyone except the anti-Semites anyways.

So the survivors are all antisemites?

Accident or not, the bottom line is that it should never have happened.

[axiomsofdominion]

I'm sorry but it is just completely delusional to believe the US would allow Israel to prevent the return of Gazans after the war.

Tell that to survivors of the attack on the USS Liberty.

You mean the ship that everyone agrees was attacked by mistake? 

Everyone except the anti-Semites anyways.

So the survivors are all antisemites?

Friendly fire happens all the time, even 60 years later with much better communication and identification technology than existed at the time of the Liberty incident.

In 2011 NATO helicopters killed 24 Pakistani soldiers at a checkpoint for instance.

There's plenty more examples.

[MyLifeIsYours]

https://twitter.com/ndncollective/status/1802355845235102099

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Israeli's are not giving up on this war anytime soon.

(a) Hostages returned
(b) Hamas dismantled

Soon to be:

(c) Hezbollah dismantled

Hezbollah Scratching and Poking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE7VVhJ2RhE

Supposedly Israel just assassinated one of the top 3 guys in Hezbollah.

Nah, the guy they killed two days ago wasn’t a nobody, but he wasn’t one of the very top guys (much less one of the top three) either.

No I mean as of that post they had literally just assassinated someone, according to early reports. We'll see if that is confirmed.

Holy crap, you’re right!  They just took out Hashim Safi Al-Din aka Hashem Safieddine.  He was third in command of Hezbollah and leader of its entire military wing.  

There was speculation that it was him or another guy at the very top level, Israel claimed they didn't assassinate anyone. There's still some dispute on if someone actually died since Hezbollah is covering up the attack zone. Some argument that Israel hadn't known he was there.

It looks like it was him, Egyptian media is reporting his death and apparently unnamed Lebanese sources have started telling journalists the same (although Hezbollah appears to be trying to cover it up).  Unlike Al-Din, Naim Qassem (the other top guy who was rumored to be in the area) gave a public speech yesterday, so he’s fine.  

I wonder if part of why Al-Din was targeted was because he was quite vocal about pledging to make Israel pay for taking out that field commander in south Lebanon.  This could have easily been Israel essentially saying to the top Hezbollah leadership “don’t even think about crossing any red lines; we know where you live!”  

By many accounts, Nasrallah - despite how he presents himself - very much does not want to die and is genuinely afraid that his death would be inevitable in a true war between Israel and Hezbollah.  As such, this sort of “warning” could definitely be effective with someone like him in a way it wouldn’t be for someone like Yahya Sinwar, who has - for better or worse - committed himself to a fight to the death unless he gets everything he wants (not only will that obviously never happen, but the war will not end - regardless of who is in charge in Israel, the US, or anywhere else - while Yahya Sinwar is still alive; his death is one of several necessary conditions for the war to end along with Deif’s death, Hamas’ removal from power in Gaza, and the release of any surviving hostages*).

*An eventual Israeli military victory is basically inevitable and aside from the hostages (many of whom may simply be shot by Hamas to avoid rescue), all those things are gonna happen in the end.  It may take years, but it’s inevitable.  There may be one or more ceasefires first, but there is no path to victory for Hamas nor a path to long-term survival for Yahya Sinwar.  He’s like Ali Hassan Salamah or Bin Laden.  It may take ten years, but sooner or later (probably during the next few years), they’ll get him.  

There were initial reports that he had been hit by the strike but lived, and that the Israelis hadn't known he was there. Egyptian media has been making statements in the last 24 hours that he had died? Wonder if the IDF will eventually make a statement.

He hasn't been seen since the strike and Egyptian media is reporting he's dead and that his death has been confirmed by sources in Lebanon close to Hezbollah.  This reminds me of Issa where it is just a question of how long until the group admits they lost one of their top guys.

[axiomsofdominion]

Israeli's are not giving up on this war anytime soon.

(a) Hostages returned
(b) Hamas dismantled

Soon to be:

(c) Hezbollah dismantled

Hezbollah Scratching and Poking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE7VVhJ2RhE

Supposedly Israel just assassinated one of the top 3 guys in Hezbollah.

Nah, the guy they killed two days ago wasn’t a nobody, but he wasn’t one of the very top guys (much less one of the top three) either.

No I mean as of that post they had literally just assassinated someone, according to early reports. We'll see if that is confirmed.

Holy crap, you’re right!  They just took out Hashim Safi Al-Din aka Hashem Safieddine.  He was third in command of Hezbollah and leader of its entire military wing.  

There was speculation that it was him or another guy at the very top level, Israel claimed they didn't assassinate anyone. There's still some dispute on if someone actually died since Hezbollah is covering up the attack zone. Some argument that Israel hadn't known he was there.

It looks like it was him, Egyptian media is reporting his death and apparently unnamed Lebanese sources have started telling journalists the same (although Hezbollah appears to be trying to cover it up).  Unlike Al-Din, Naim Qassem (the other top guy who was rumored to be in the area) gave a public speech yesterday, so he’s fine.  

I wonder if part of why Al-Din was targeted was because he was quite vocal about pledging to make Israel pay for taking out that field commander in south Lebanon.  This could have easily been Israel essentially saying to the top Hezbollah leadership “don’t even think about crossing any red lines; we know where you live!”  

By many accounts, Nasrallah - despite how he presents himself - very much does not want to die and is genuinely afraid that his death would be inevitable in a true war between Israel and Hezbollah.  As such, this sort of “warning” could definitely be effective with someone like him in a way it wouldn’t be for someone like Yahya Sinwar, who has - for better or worse - committed himself to a fight to the death unless he gets everything he wants (not only will that obviously never happen, but the war will not end - regardless of who is in charge in Israel, the US, or anywhere else - while Yahya Sinwar is still alive; his death is one of several necessary conditions for the war to end along with Deif’s death, Hamas’ removal from power in Gaza, and the release of any surviving hostages*).

*An eventual Israeli military victory is basically inevitable and aside from the hostages (many of whom may simply be shot by Hamas to avoid rescue), all those things are gonna happen in the end.  It may take years, but it’s inevitable.  There may be one or more ceasefires first, but there is no path to victory for Hamas nor a path to long-term survival for Yahya Sinwar.  He’s like Ali Hassan Salamah or Bin Laden.  It may take ten years, but sooner or later (probably during the next few years), they’ll get him.  

There were initial reports that he had been hit by the strike but lived, and that the Israelis hadn't known he was there. Egyptian media has been making statements in the last 24 hours that he had died? Wonder if the IDF will eventually make a statement.

He hasn't been seen since the strike and Egyptian media is reporting he's dead and that his death has been confirmed by sources in Lebanon close to Hezbollah.  This reminds me of Issa where it is just a question of how long until the group admits they lost one of their top guys.

Ah good to know that it is basically confirmed. I know the other potential guy gave a speech so we know he is alive.

[Meclazine for Israel]

This thread is so much better with people who understand the truances and intricacies regarding the history of this conflict.

It has been on for young and old since I was born, and a bit of knowledge goes a long way.

Nice work Axiom.

[Ancestral Republican]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/16/middleeast/israel-west-bank-settlements-intl-latam/index.html

CNN
 —
Israel’s government says it is looking to “strengthen” Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank after several countries unilaterally recognized a Palestinian state.

In a statement issued on Sunday, the Prime Minister’s Office said all of the proposals for strengthening settlements in what Israel biblically refers to as Judea and Samaria would be voted on at the next Security Cabinet meeting.

Norway, Ireland, Spain and Slovenia have each recognized an independent Palestinian state in recent weeks, a move motivated at least in part by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s open refusal to commit to a two-state solution.

Israel’s Foreign Ministry said the move was a reward for terrorism and would strengthen Hamas.

The statement also said Israel would look at what actions to take against the Palestinian Authority as it took actions against Israel in international bodies.

Earlier this month, the Palestinian Authority applied to join South Africa’s case against Israel at the International Court of Justice.

Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, said in May that Israel should approve 10,000 settlements in the West Bank, establish a new settlement for every country that recognizes a state of Palestine, and cancel travel permits for Palestinian Authority officials.

It is unclear if any of these radical ideas are part of the proposals currently under consideration in Israel.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I don’t just support Israel cause it’s in American interests too . I also believe it’s the moral position as well. I believe supporting Palestine is immoral and fully believe that Palestinian nationalism as it currently exists needs to be destroyed

Then your problem is just one of dumb logic as Palestinian Nationalism only tends to get STRONGER with what Israel is doing, also with increased global sympathy.

In that case, Israel actions are counterproductive to your established goals and you would position yourself against them.

Unless what you mean is destroying Palestinians (cut the nationalism) altogether and in that case that’s simply not the objective Moral position at all as you cannot argue for ethnic cleansing to be the moral position.

It can be the more convenient to you (which puts you again in the realist purists camp), but definitely not the moral one even if you try to convince yourself about it.

I mean I have compared Palestinian Nationalism as it exists today to how Prussian Nationalism and have stated that I think similarly how we completely defeated and occupied Germany, Gaza needs to be completely occupied first.

I dont even think Israel has to be the ones who do it as I am perfectly fine if Egypt does it as well or if the UN does it . Someone has to do it though because the fact is I simply do not thing countries based on the most radical and militant form of Islamism (also one thats directly tied to Nazism) should be allowed to remain independent.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Someone has to do it though because the fact is I simply do not thing countries based on the most radical and militant form of Islamism (also one thats directly tied to Nazism) should be allowed to remain independent.

Wasn't aware that you were in favor of the colonization of Saudi Arabia but ok.

[Meclazine for Israel]

550 Hamas Militants Killed

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-half-of-hamass-forces-in-rafah-dismantled-at-least-550-gunmen-killed/

"The Israel Defense Forces said Monday it has dismantled about half of Hamas’s fighting force in Rafah, killing at least 550 gunmen in the area, as the operation against the terror group in the Gaza Strip’s southernmost city continued."

"The IDF said it has killed at least 550 gunmen in the Rafah operation — that is, those it was able to physically identify following battles."

[Meclazine for Israel]

Meanwhile in Ireland



Tell us what you really think.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

I realize this has been a common accusation, but there seems to be some new corroborating evidence coming out today in regards to Israel having knowledge of the October 7th attack.

3 weeks before Oct. 7, IDF Gaza Division warned of Hamas plan to attack, take 250 hostages

And this far worse claim that Israel approved the rave for extra nights in opposition to local commanders who felt the approval itself was 'out of regular procedure' and made no sense.

https://twitter.com/BoltzmannBooty/status/1802786708288651452

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Meanwhile in Ireland

Tell us what you really think.

Genuine question, is there anyway to boycott Israeli goods that wouldn't be anti-semitic in the eyes of firmly zionist people? I've stopped buying Sabra Hummus after a Muslim friend told me about it (this was a year or two before October 7th, btw) sooo are my Hummus choices innately anti-semitic?

I have never understood the fierceness against BDS on its face, especially places like Texas that literally make it illegal to collectively boycott essentially, which is funny cause they love corporate personhood in every other facet.

Any way, I don't really expect an answer but these allusions are fairly gross.