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« on: July 29, 2009, 01:45:15 PM »

Joke country.
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 10:16:33 PM »

Good news. The ''right'' to bear arms is one of the biggest aberrations of the world. The right to kill people, too? Don't say than you use them for hunting, nobody hunts with an handgun.

I read once about a guy in St. Paul who was getting carjacked. He pulled out his handgun and killed the guy with a shot to his face. There's a valid use. Also various cases of women who have killed would-be rapists with them.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 10:20:23 PM »

Also I do find gun nuts and NRA types annoying. However I hate Ireland more.
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 10:29:47 PM »

Well I didn't mean that I hate the State as an institution or anything by that comment though I don't have much faith in it. I meant I hate Ireland the country. I would tolerate this more in a half-decent country, though still oppose it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 12:09:20 AM »

Ireland is an epic fail joke country. The whole place would be so much better off if the United Kindom of Great Britain and Ireland had never been dissolved.
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 10:43:19 AM »

Makes me think of the remark of a US politician after what happened in Virginia Tech, maybe it was Bush but not sure: teachers should have a weapon in class to defend themselves.

Ok, now why in Europe, in countries more or less demographically and socially similar to US, like France, UK, or Germany, people don't have that claim? Why in the same time the criminal rates are higher in US than in these countries in which people can't have that wonderful defense that is a firearm? What is that?

Take your pick as to the underlying cause of crime in the U.S. (drugs, socio-economic, etc), but it's not the ownership of guns by law abiding citizens.

Oh and skip the OMGZ WE NEED TO GET RID OF GUNZ CAUZ OF MADMEN1111!  That rallying cry is old an boring.  If you want to go down that road, ask the families on the Long Island Railroad massacre if they wish their loved ones were allowed to carry?  That guy would have got one shot off in Texas, that's why he went to Long Island.  He knew no on e would shoot back.

OK. Now there may be some differences between Europe and US societies that can explain that Europe handles better a society without guns for self-defense. Though for the matter of drugs and socio-economics, there may be some differences but not that huge.

But, sorry, I'll stay with my principle, and "traditions", cultures, societies, are here to evolve.

You're here, all the time, with "Law abiding citizens". Pardon, but do "Law abiding citizens" born and die like that? Would it be, or not, possible that someone who is a law abiding citizen one day, turns into something else latter? Then, you can't decide to release guns to "Law abiding citizens", you just release guns to human beings, and once they have it, then you have to hope that they will remain "Law abiding citizens". US releases guns to much more human beings than other Western countries, and thus has by far the highest rates of homicides of these countries. Look where is the US, it is the double of the first western country, Finland.

So considering the US is only #24, and considering some of the countries ahead of it, it's obvious that more is at work here than gun laws.

Finland actually has some pretty lax gun laws and high rate of ownership too. Oh, and note where Switzerland is on that list.
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