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« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2009, 04:38:02 PM »

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« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2009, 05:08:46 PM »

Nay, I'm a bit upset a vote was called in the midst of a discussion.
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« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2009, 05:11:13 PM »

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« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2009, 05:11:34 PM »

Okay, Happy Warrior, you convinced me.

Nay.
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« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2009, 09:47:11 PM »

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« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2009, 03:55:31 PM »

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« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2009, 08:02:09 PM »

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« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2009, 11:47:34 AM »

Afleitch and Franzl still to vote.
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« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2009, 12:41:49 AM »

I am undecided on whether to sign or veto this bill if it passes, for what it's worth. I share many of the reservations put forward by my SoEA and the Senators voting nay on this bill, but at the same time Turkey has taken many steps to liberalize and become a full member of the democratic, Western community. I'll give this some thought.
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« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2009, 03:12:05 AM »

Aye.

I understand the reasons given by many in the Senate for opposing this bill; they are justifiable and reflect Turkey's 'anomaly' status. The state itself has been recently lax in becoming more open and accountable though, of course by no stretch is it a pariah state. I vote aye on the basis that the EU has formalised trade relations with Turkey and Atlasia has long standing post war military ties with Turkey. I can't support witholding free trade with Turkey particularly in light of the other free trade deals we have with more repressive nations.
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« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2009, 07:35:12 AM »

This bill has enough votes to pass. Senators now have 24 hours to change thier votes.
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« Reply #61 on: August 07, 2009, 07:35:38 AM »

With 5 Ayes, 3 Nays and 1 Abstention this bill has passed. I hereby present it to the President for his signature.
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« Reply #62 on: August 11, 2009, 07:43:30 AM »

bump.
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« Reply #63 on: August 11, 2009, 07:27:19 PM »

Still deliberating.
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« Reply #64 on: August 11, 2009, 08:30:19 PM »


I ask the President to sign the legislation and give Turkey a chance. No one in the Senate denies that there have been and remain injustices in Turkey; however, this bill is perhaps our best chance to show the rest of the Arab world that there are tangible benefits for modernization and liberalization.

In the event that Turkey regresses into a repressive regime, I would happily support a repeal of this legislation. I simply ask that you give it a chance and see what comes of it.
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« Reply #65 on: August 11, 2009, 08:47:21 PM »

Perhaps when I see evidence that free trade actually liberalizes a country and causes them to develop properly with fair and developed-world labor protections, as opposed to either doing nothing to develop or modernize their labor standards or reacting violently to American/Atlasian influence, I'll implore the President to sign such trade agreements.

Given that no one has given me examples, however..
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« Reply #66 on: August 11, 2009, 08:52:33 PM »

Perhaps when I see evidence that free trade actually liberalizes a country and causes them to develop properly with fair and developed-world labor protections, as opposed to either doing nothing to develop or modernize their labor standards or reacting violently to American/Atlasian influence, I'll implore the President to sign such trade agreements.

Given that no one has given me examples, however..

Regardless of the various criticisms one may make, NAFTA has resulted in a better standard of living for many Mexican workers, including higher income for factory workers and the growth of urban centers throughout Mexico.
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« Reply #67 on: August 11, 2009, 09:35:16 PM »

Don't forget the Turkish hackers!
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« Reply #68 on: August 11, 2009, 11:58:29 PM »

No one in the Senate denies that there have been and remain injustices in Turkey; however, this bill is perhaps our best chance to show the rest of the Arab world that there are tangible benefits for modernization and liberalization.

Hmm?
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« Reply #69 on: August 12, 2009, 12:00:22 AM »

No one in the Senate denies that there have been and remain injustices in Turkey; however, this bill is perhaps our best chance to show the rest of the Arab world that there are tangible benefits for modernization and liberalization.

Hmm?

Sorry for the mischaracterization. But Turkey has been very involved in peace talks and other negotiations between Middle Eastern and Central Asian nations, so it would send a better message than, say, Albania which you mentioned elsewhere.
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« Reply #70 on: August 12, 2009, 12:01:33 AM »

No one in the Senate denies that there have been and remain injustices in Turkey; however, this bill is perhaps our best chance to show the rest of the Arab world that there are tangible benefits for modernization and liberalization.

Hmm?

Sorry for the mischaracterization. But Turkey has been very involved in peace talks and other negotiations between Middle Eastern and Central Asian nations, so it would send a better message than, say, Albania which you mentioned elsewhere.

Max, not me.

Just pointing it out before you make a real gaffe.
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« Reply #71 on: August 12, 2009, 12:29:15 AM »

No one in the Senate denies that there have been and remain injustices in Turkey; however, this bill is perhaps our best chance to show the rest of the Arab world that there are tangible benefits for modernization and liberalization.

Hmm?

Sorry for the mischaracterization. But Turkey has been very involved in peace talks and other negotiations between Middle Eastern and Central Asian nations, so it would send a better message than, say, Albania which you mentioned elsewhere.

I mentionned Albania.
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« Reply #72 on: August 12, 2009, 09:47:44 AM »

Considering some of the regimes that Atlasia has these one-sided "agreements" with, it's absurd that an "agreement" with Turkey should be the one to cause trouble.
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« Reply #73 on: August 12, 2009, 03:28:30 PM »

Alright.

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« Reply #74 on: August 12, 2009, 05:18:03 PM »

Disappointing.
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