If Public Health Care is great?

[politicaladdict]

If Universal Healthcare is great, why not go to other Countries?
I got a good idea about people who can't get good health insurance under our U.S. healthcare system. Why don't non-profit organizations like Kaiser and others actually form a coalition to support those with no insurance and give tickets to fly to other countries with a public care system like Canada or Britain? I mean, Canadian and British governments do it and send there citizens to our country for care.

Anybody agree with this notion?

[Meeker]

Some of us have this strange notion that people - even poor people - should be able to get quality medical care in the city in which they live.

[Lunar]

I don't think foreign citizens necessarily get unlimited access to other country's national healthcare systems...right?

I know people do go to some other countries to get cheaper surgeries, such as sex changes or cosmetic surgeries in Asia.  I remember hearing of cosmetic surgery tours where you get to fly to Korea, be taken around sightseeing and whatnot, get your surgery, and return, all for about the same price as the surgery would cost here, although I never looked it up and could be wrong.

[dead0man]

Don't Americans go to Canada and Mexico all the time for cheaper drugs?

[politicaladdict]

Don't Americans go to Canada and Mexico all the time for cheaper drugs?

Ask this girl who came to America to get the care she needed for her baby and such.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrQWadE2YpE&feature=related

[Lunar]

So, Americans go to other places for some care and other people come to America for other care?

I am confused.

[dead0man]

Yeah, I'm not seeing what the problem is.  We certainly shouldn't stop people from going to other countries for care, but I find it hard to blame pro-Public Health Care peeps for not going to other countries for care.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

no. But you are on to something, if canada can do it and Britain can do, we we should be able to do it.
Also i would want to to move to some other country for health care. But i still want it. People should not be forced to move to get healthcare.

[politicaladdict]

Don't Americans go to Canada and Mexico all the time for cheaper drugs?

I do have an example of someone who went Mexico for Care. Read the whole thing, carefully and you'll see why.  Alot of these tourist come from Canada... HMMM.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/11/19/newsweek-american-refugees-head-mexico-health-care-fleeing-ailing-u-s-

Again, to dead0man

Yeah, I'm not seeing what the problem is.  We certainly shouldn't stop people from going to other countries for care, but I find it hard to blame pro-Public Health Care peeps for not going to other countries for care.

We shouldn't have to nationalize it if Non-profit organizations smarter than me didn't come up with this idea to go to other countries with so-called better care. And if it's really urgent, go to Medicaid...(TOO SOON?) and if they can wait, they can go to other countries to get care other citizens do it when there sent here.



To SF maccabi 09

no. But you are on to something, if canada can do it and Britain can do, we we should be able to do it.
Also i would want to to move to some other country for health care. But i still want it. People should not be forced to move to get healthcare.

People shouldn't be whining about moving away for a while to get urgent care.

That's the problem, Canada and Britain can't do it better than our system. You don't have to move there, you just need care, besides, I thought  there was no rationing, that's what those bureaucrats claim.

And I don't suppose you have evidence of people who have died solely because our healthcare system, that socialist medicine would have done better.

[Хahar 🤔]

Uh, you don't get government healthcare unless you pay for it. Americans don't fund other countries' health care systems.

[politicaladdict]

I didn't know they denied healthcare to foreigners. Are you telling me they deny care over there if your just visiting and have an accident?

[Хahar 🤔]

I didn't know they denied healthcare to foreigners. Are you telling me they deny care over there if your just visiting and have an accident?

Just visiting and having an accident is different from actively going over to take advantage of the system.

[politicaladdict]

I didn't know they denied healthcare to foreigners. Are you telling me they deny care over there if your just visiting and have an accident?

Just visiting and having an accident is different from actively going over to take advantage of the system.

I thought it was free. What's there to be afraid of?

[Meeker]

I didn't know they denied healthcare to foreigners. Are you telling me they deny care over there if your just visiting and have an accident?

Just visiting and having an accident is different from actively going over to take advantage of the system.

I thought it was free. What's there to be afraid of?

It's not free, you twat. It's a service provided to taxpayers just as police protection, fire protection and a public education are provided to taxpayers here.

[politicaladdict]

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EXACTLY, It's not free.

police departments and fire stations and to some extent, public schools should be founded by tax-payers

But can you give me sincere evidence(besides polls of 18,000 die without evidence) on how public healthcare would be better?

Can somebody explain how we have the best "Cancer Survival Rate" without public healthcare.

And can you give me evidence of people leaving the U.S. to get better care?

And can you give me evidence of people(names and such) who have died under our U.S. health system solely because of our system or went to another country for better care because he couldn't get insurance?

[Brandon H]

Uh, you don't get government healthcare unless you pay for it. Americans don't fund other countries' health care systems.

And pretty soon you'll be paying for it whether you get it or not.

[Lunar]

...anyway, you can't go visit another country and get a major, expensive surgery any more than you can go to another country and, say, run for parliament, right?  I'm not even sure what the procedure is for accidents in other countries.  I went to the doctor for the flu here in Indonesia and it cost $4, including the random assortment of pills they gave me, haha.  The entire hospital did sort of look like a United States WW2 Pacific army field hospital though, shrug.

this thread has an extremely poor premise and all of the evidence relies on anecdotes, much like Michael Moore showing people who have to choose which fingers they want to keep in the USA and then showing people without that problem in Cuba...


and yes, people do go to Canada and Mexico for basic drugs all the time, and cosmetic and other surgeries in Asia that are relatively cheap over there.  That doesn't validate or invalidate the logic for a public health care option.  Everyone knows the US has some of the best health care in the world for advanced procedures, if one has the money, so it's of no surprise whatsoever that some international people come here for the very best. 

and I don't feel like I'm arguing for or against public health care in this thread at all, only weird logic

[Marokai Backbeat]

Uh, you don't get government healthcare unless you pay for it. Americans don't fund other countries' health care systems.

And pretty soon you'll be paying for it whether you get it or not.

just as police protection, fire protection and a public education

[politicaladdict]

...anyway, you can't go visit another country and get a major, expensive surgery any more than you can go to another country and, say, run for parliament, right?  I'm not even sure what the procedure is for accidents in other countries.  I went to the doctor for the flu here in Indonesia and it cost $4, including the random assortment of pills they gave me, haha.  The entire hospital did sort of look like a United States WW2 Pacific army field hospital though, shrug.

this thread has an extremely poor premise and all of the evidence relies on anecdotes, much like Michael Moore showing people who have to choose which fingers they want to keep in the USA and then showing people without that problem in Cuba...


and yes, people do go to Canada and Mexico for basic drugs all the time, and cosmetic and other surgeries in Asia that are relatively cheap over there.  That doesn't validate or invalidate the logic for a public health care option.  Everyone knows the US has some of the best health care in the world for advanced procedures, if one has the money, so it's of no surprise whatsoever that some international people come here for the very best. 

and I don't feel like I'm arguing for or against public health care in this thread at all, only weird logic

If I last recall, Cuba had lower life expectancy then the U.S.

And yes, people are flocking to Mexico for surgery. Please look at the link about an elderly women named Dorthea who went to Mexico, read the link below carefully and you'll soon know why. She went to a PRIVATE AMERICAN HOSPITAL in Mexico an order to avoid the health-warning in Mexico which is why she was denied insurance in the U.S..
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/11/19/newsweek-american-refugees-head-mexico-health-care-fleeing-ailing-u-s-

So I guess some can't explain that alot of those tourists also come from Canada, aswell.

And yes, Mexico is an exception. Look at the map below.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.gadling.com/media/2007/07/healthcareworldbig.jpg

Notice that Mexico isn't quite Public, but will be one soon(although, shocked that Venezuela isn't with Hugo Chavez) the public part does exist but rarely used, you know why? The government actually encourages THE ILLEGAL TO CROSS THE BORDER TO THE U.S.! I'm not making this up! So this saves Mexico some burden.  But there's also no real risk warnings, compared to the U.S. who are afraid to get sued.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I didn't know they denied healthcare to foreigners. Are you telling me they deny care over there if your just visiting and have an accident?

Just visiting and having an accident is different from actively going over to take advantage of the system.

I thought it was free. What's there to be afraid of?

*Roll eyes*

It isn't free, we pay for it by taxes. If you do not pay taxes in that country, you have to pay anyway. So if you have an accident in Sweden, Spain, Australia... add most of the countries that have universal healthcare, you'll have to pay afterwards. I know this because when an EU citizen travel to another country in the Union we have to have a special ID card with us to show that we are EU citizen, or we will have to pay for health care.

I purchased such a card when I went to Germany, so that if I was in an accident and needed to be taken care of, I wouldn't have to pay for it. 

If an American want Swedish healthcare they can get it, but we're not letting you abuse our system. Sorry

EDIT: I also know this because my best friend went to New Zealand earlier this year, and since her sister is ill, it was brought up that she wouldn't get healthcare there for free. Fortunatley enough since their mother is from there so they have dual citizenship, so it all worked out in the end.
   

[politicaladdict]

If an American want Swedish healthcare they can get it, but we're not letting you abuse our system. Sorry

I agree, don't ruin our U.S. system.

It's illegal to turn someone down based on income, so, I think if there's an unnecessary reason to turn someone down, then we would clearly hear about it and they would be in trouble.




You know what I dislike the most, is when people from Canada say there's nothing wrong with there Canadian system and Americans are just propagandist.

I don't see anything wrong with my system either, so how bout that!

WELL, IF CANADIANS COME OVER HERE FOR THERE CARE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET IT OVER THERE, THEN THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG IN THERE SYSTEM OR SHOULD I SAY GOVERNMENT.

You know what's propaganda? When critics of our U.S. system say stuff like 18000 die a year without evidence explaining these numbers. What also makes MAD is when people say 16% are uninsured when in actuality, almost most consist of illegals aliens who don't have to be insured but get benefits from by taxing, anyways(whole reason why California is the way it is)

And why isn't the SUPEROIR GOVERNMENT-RUN MEDICARE AND MEDICAID NOT DOING WELL WITH THE CHILDREN AND ELDERLY? I MEAN, THERE TALKING WE NEED UNIVERSAL HEALTH THAT THEY ACTUALLY EVEN CONTROL BY REGULATIONS

Full-single-payer Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security and about 10 to 20% government burden in the Health Care that does exist makes up practicly 85% of government control.

[politicaladdict]

Please, anybody who wants or doesn't want Public Health Care, look at this video about the uninsured that liberals never really mention?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKCWbq18bNk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freemarketcure.com%2Funinsuredinamerica.php&feature=player_embedded

[politicaladdict]

Here's another video of two women and a guy who had a sex change. NOT KIDDING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2n8JxYXgs&feature=channel_page

SEX CHANGE, IS THIS THE KIND OF URGENCY THAT CANADA NEEDED TO SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY ON?

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

People shouldn't be whining about moving away for a while to get urgent care.

That's the problem, Canada and Britain can't do it better than our system. You don't have to move there, you just need care, besides, I thought  there was no rationing, that's what those bureaucrats claim.

And I don't suppose you have evidence of people who have died solely because our healthcare system, that socialist medicine would have done better.

Have you watched Sicko? talk to me when you have.

[politicaladdict]

Tell me a little more about this SICKO named MICHAEL MOORE and his movie.

I never see is movies, he's just a bunch of hog. Especially that 9/11 crap he seemed to take seriously

Besides, I've seen clips about Kaiser from his movie, in which he pointed out that Kaiser(government health insurance) denied care to a girl and actually died. But he never pointed that Kaiser is a NON-PROFIT(GOVERNMENT OWNED) ORGANIZATION.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afro9SzNlK0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthespisjournal.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F06%2F23%2Fdebunking-michael-moores-latest-follies%2F&feature=player_embedded

Give me some important clips about the movie and maybe I can find relevent sources to go with that. Which part is so important for me to know