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[Keystone Phil]

And here comes the right-wing PC brigade, just in time to put out the fun-fire.

Ah, yes, it is so PC to stick up for people now (especially when those people happen to be unquestionably the kindest people here). You wouldn't know anything about that though.

By the way, you ought to give us some of your advice on this topic. Oh...wait. Er...sorry, buddy. Nevermind. The experiences with your "girl"friend wouldn't help with this conversation.

[Scam of God]

And here comes the right-wing PC brigade, just in time to put out the fun-fire.

Ah, yes, it is so PC to stick up for people now (especially when those people happen to be unquestionably the kindest people here). You wouldn't know anything about that though.

It most certainly is, as you've made a habit of only "sticking up" for the lowest-rent white trash here.

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Ho noez! A useless hot-headed Dago just insulted my sexuality! But hey, at least I wasn't the one getting pounded under the altar.

[Keystone Phil]

It most certainly is, as you've made a habit of only "sticking up" for the lowest-rent white trash here.

BushOK is lower rent white trash? Wow. You're just too kind.

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Really? That wasn't you getting it? Hmmm...I figured that could explain that giant stick up your ass attitude...

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Other than Einzige, Phil, everyone here is supportive of BushOK in their postings, albiet a bit frustrated and somewhat pointed (myself included)....even Flyers.

You really dont need to defend BushOK - we're all behind him.

[Gustaf]

I don't say this very often, but I'm with Phil. Flyers is certainly not helping and I doubt he even believes that himself.

BushOK, all I can say is that I sympathize with you and with the information that the rest of us have putting an ultimatum before her NOW is the best course of action. This is true regardless of whether there is actually a chance of your relationship working out, or whether it is better for you to move on. I've been in similar situations before - girls always want to take breaks and stuff like that (remember Friends!), but you shouldn't go along with that. There is no point. Either you win her back directly, or you scare her enough to run back, or you break it off. But you do it ASAP. You've given it enough time allready.

At the same time, it is your life to live. You should do what you feel is best for you, not what some guys on the internet tell you to do. I'm sure you can find someone nicer than this girl.

[Boris]

I wonder what would happen if BushOK showed his fiancée this thread

[Rob]

I wonder what would happen if BushOK showed his fiancée this thread

"I never met nobody who could figure out that Interweb before. You write real good."

[TeePee4Prez]

I don't say this very often, but I'm with Phil. Flyers is certainly not helping and I doubt he even believes that himself.

BushOK, all I can say is that I sympathize with you and with the information that the rest of us have putting an ultimatum before her NOW is the best course of action. This is true regardless of whether there is actually a chance of your relationship working out, or whether it is better for you to move on. I've been in similar situations before - girls always want to take breaks and stuff like that (remember Friends!), but you shouldn't go along with that. There is no point. Either you win her back directly, or you scare her enough to run back, or you break it off. But you do it ASAP. You've given it enough time allready.

At the same time, it is your life to live. You should do what you feel is best for you, not what some guys on the internet tell you to do. I'm sure you can find someone nicer than this girl.

Phil's basically on this thread as my PC message board police officer.  You do realize that? 

[Citizen James]

I find myself (somewhat surprisingly) siding with Phil here.  Feel free to call me names if you wish, but I think that some of the comments here show a general lack of emotional maturity in their postings.

I am well aware how the semi-anonymity of the internet gives some the sense that they can act rudely toward others with impunity (and a lack of empathy), or even allow them to convince themselves that the target of their abuse "isn't real" to them in some way.

This is known as the Online disinhibition effect, or more informally as the Greater Internet F***wad Theory.

[TeePee4Prez]

I find myself (somewhat surprisingly) siding with Phil here.  Feel free to call me names if you wish, but I think that some of the comments here show a general lack of emotional maturity in their postings.

I am well aware how the semi-anonymity of the internet gives some the sense that they can act rudely toward others with impunity (and a lack of empathy), or even allow them to convince themselves that the target of their abuse "isn't real" to them in some way.

This is known as the Online disinhibition effect, or more informally as the Greater Internet F***wad Theory.

I think myself and even AHDuke mean well, but sometimes a guy needs a kick in the ass to realize his needy ways, myself included.  I know I've become so enamored with dating at times I lose sight of my own pride and self-esteem.  This is CLEARLY the case with BushOK.  Sometimes other people need to keep certain things in check.  I have friends tell me I'm doing sh**t wrong all the time.

For me this is painful as hell to watch considering me and BushOK have a lot of similarities barring the religious stuff.

[J-Mann]

I think myself and even AHDuke mean well, but sometimes a guy needs a kick in the ass to realize his needy ways, myself included. I have friends tell me I'm doing sh**t wrong all the time.

Absolutely no offense intended Flyers, as I really do like you, but maybe now is one of those times you need a kick in the ass for being needy. You've said your piece and made your point several pages ago -- you can stop now. This entire thread would be half as long and considerably more substantive if it hadn't devolved into a ridiculous back-and-forth between you, Phil and a few others. We all wanted to help BushOK, but our advice -- regardless of the tone it took -- has been lost beneath several pages of a few very selfish and needy people trying to make their points, not in support of BushOK, but against each other.

And for those of you who regularly do this to threads -- you're not changing each others' minds. In fact, you're just egging each other on and perpetuating the type of posting that you claim to dislike so much. Grow up, get over the personal insults and learn to ignore those posts that irritate you. This type of garbage would have ended on this thread already if all of you would just quit replying to each other.

[TeePee4Prez]

Good luck with everything BushOK.

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[Eraserhead]

I've grown to hate just about everything involved in this thread.

[Gustaf]

When you put your life out there on the interwebs you're vulnerable to the interpretations of many people.  Many of those people care, more do not.  There are two possible reactions one could have to this babying:

1. The people "protecting" BushOK have an incredibly inflated sense of self worth, thinking that what any of us internet strangers actually has a serious effect on someone's real life.

2. BushOK does take it to heart and he needs to learn to take things like the opinion of those on the internet into perspective.

My suspicion is a combination of the two, both being exhibited in far too high proportions.  That's also why I've suggested BushOK take some time off from the computer and focus on his face to face socialization.

I don't really understand what you mean, but I wanted to make clear that to me it is irrelevant whether BushOK is actually hurt by what anyone here says. Being cruel is not excused by the fact that the person doesn't or shouldn't care about the cruelties.

And I also understand that harsh advice is sometimes needed. But that's something you give out to people you actually know well enough to talk to them that way. And there is a line between harsh but honest on the one hand and mean and disrespectful on the other.

For the record, I don't think everyone here who were "harsh" were over the line. I named Flyers. I think there were a couple of others who didn't even pretend to be caring (like Rob or Einzige).

Anyway, I hope you can pick yourself up from this, BushOK. Good luck with that.

[dead0man]

YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE A "NICE GUY"

REMEMBER, NICE GUYS DON'T GET ANY

YOU'VE GOTTA BE A JERK, OR ELSE SHE'LL BE "PROCESSING"

I once thought this way as well and there is some merit to it...but in my experience it seems to not be a Nice Guy vs Jerk thing and women go for the Jerk...no.  It's a Pussy vs Jerk thing.  Don't be a carpet.  Some women may want that, but not the kind you'd want as a wife.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I've grown to hate just about everything involved in this thread.

But i bet you've read every posting 

[Joe Biden 2020]

Let me throw another monkey wrench into the fire.  Another reason I know we're going to make it through this together and stronger than ever. 

Here it is:  In 8 months from now, putting it in the late March time frame, if all goes well, I will be a father.  I'm not talking about a step-father, I'm talking about a REAL, biological father.  We went all the way while we were in Arkansas in late June, so that's why I put 8 months, instead of 9, because its already been nearly one month.

I may seem like a goody-two-shoes pious Christian man, but I am definitely not one of those, and I do have my faults.

Plus, every hint I keep getting from her; and I am getting small, subtle hints; are all positive.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Let me throw another monkey wrench into the fire.  Another reason I know we're going to make it through this together and stronger than ever. 

Here it is:  In 8 months from now, putting it in the late March time frame, if all goes well, I will be a father.  I'm not talking about a step-father, I'm talking about a REAL, biological father.  We went all the way while we were in Arkansas in late June, so that's why I put 8 months, instead of 9, because its already been nearly one month.

I may seem like a goody-two-shoes pious Christian man, but I am definitely not one of those, and I do have my faults.

Plus, every hint I keep getting from her; and I am getting small, subtle hints; are all positive.

WHAT

[J-Mann]

Let me throw another monkey wrench into the fire.  Another reason I know we're going to make it through this together and stronger than ever. 

Here it is:  In 8 months from now, putting it in the late March time frame, if all goes well, I will be a father.  I'm not talking about a step-father, I'm talking about a REAL, biological father.  We went all the way while we were in Arkansas in late June, so that's why I put 8 months, instead of 9, because its already been nearly one month.

I may seem like a goody-two-shoes pious Christian man, but I am definitely not one of those, and I do have my faults.

Plus, every hint I keep getting from her; and I am getting small, subtle hints; are all positive.

Do you know she's pregnant? Late-June to July 21 is a pretty short time-frame to positively find out such a thing.

If so, congratulations -- as ill-timed and accidental as it may be. Regardless of how things work out with her (and I am one of those who believes that couples should not force themselves to stay together), your commitment to the child is critical, and I have no doubt you'd do all you can to care for it, whether you're married or not.

[WalterMitty]

so i take it you were hoping to impregnate this woman during this sexual encounter?

[Meeker]

omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg

This can't be happening.

[Aizen]

Haha, I've been coming to the Atlas Forum recently just for this topic. What a twist.

[Platypus]

This is better than Gossip Girl.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Are we being Punk'd?

I'm beginning to think BushOK is an elaborate troll.

[Jake]

lol