Mike Castle says Palin and Gingrich are no saviors

[justfollowingtheelections]

and praises Pawlenty and Crist.

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/48839502.html

"I'm worried about the Republican Party," Castle said. "The Republican message is getting a little old. We're still talking about Ronald Reagan," who was president "before some of the voters were born."

Unpopular stands on "social issues" may have hurt the party. But "what hurt the most was the eight years of President Bush in which the very issues we're talking about today were not addressed. That has been a very strong negative for the Republican Party.

"My vision for the Republican Party is a presidential candidate who can be a good leader. . . . I know it's not Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich or Dick Cheney."

The Republicans need "a manager." Maybe Minnesota Gov. "Tim Pawlenty, or Florida Gov. Charles Crist . . . someone who can say, 'Here's what we should be doing for Social Security or health care.' " And get back on the national agenda.

 

[WalterMitty]

castle 2012!

[Keystone Phil]

Well, I agree with him about Pawlenty. I really agree with him on Palin and Gingrich but probably for different reasons.

Again, I must say the constant whining about the GOP looking back to Reagan is annoying. Meanwhile, across the rest of America, there's still a love fest for a President that served for a little under three years during the 1960s.

[WalterMitty]

Again, I must say the constant whining about the GOP looking back to Reagan is annoying.

1.  you were still soiling your nappys (as opebo would say) when reagan was winding down his second term.  in other words, a lot of voters (who arent political buffs) no very little about reagan.

2.  he wasnt a good president. 

[Keystone Phil]

Again, I must say the constant whining about the GOP looking back to Reagan is annoying.

1.  you were still soiling your nappys (as opebo would say) when reagan was winding down his second term.  in other words, a lot of voters (who arent political buffs) no very little about reagan.

And your Great, Great Uncle Rufus was fighting against Lincoln's Army before you were even a thought and you still like Lincoln. So what's the point here?

A lot of voters know very little about JFK but that hero worship has gone on for decades. Again, what's your point?

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Sorry, Walter, but your opinion won't convince a single Republican to think otherwise.

[WalterMitty]

Again, I must say the constant whining about the GOP looking back to Reagan is annoying.

1.  you were still soiling your nappys (as opebo would say) when reagan was winding down his second term.  in other words, a lot of voters (who arent political buffs) no very little about reagan.

And your Great, Great Uncle Rufus was fighting against Lincoln's Army before you were even a thought and you still like Lincoln. So what's the point here?

A lot of voters know very little about JFK but that hero worship has gone on for decades. Again, what's your point?

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Sorry, Walter, but your opinion won't convince a single Republican to think otherwise.

actually it was my great great grandfather who was fighting against lincoln.   he was named after andrew jackson...not rufus.

[Keystone Phil]

actually it was my great great grandfather who was fighting against lincoln.   he was named after andrew jackson...not rufus.

Close enough. 

[Mechaman]

Again, I must say the constant whining about the GOP looking back to Reagan is annoying.

1.  you were still soiling your nappys (as opebo would say) when reagan was winding down his second term.  in other words, a lot of voters (who arent political buffs) no very little about reagan.

And your Great, Great Uncle Rufus was fighting against Lincoln's Army before you were even a thought and you still like Lincoln. So what's the point here?

A lot of voters know very little about JFK but that hero worship has gone on for decades. Again, what's your point?

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Sorry, Walter, but your opinion won't convince a single Republican to think otherwise.

actually it was my great great grandfather who was fighting against lincoln.   he was named after andrew jackson...not rufus.

This is great content.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I don't think people are necessarily upset over the simple fact that Republicans praise Reagan (although they do it to a nauseating extent, moreso than any Democrat with our heroes like FDR or JFK) but because Republicans seem intent on doing their best Reagan impersonation every 4 years, and keep trying to act out the Reagan policies, with no regards to their relevance now.

It's not the 80's anymore, things are different. I think it's this fanatical obsession with living out every Reagan policy over and over again, that gets on people's nerves. Certainly mine.

And no, he wasn't a good President.

[Keystone Phil]

I don't think people are necessarily upset over the simple fact that Republicans praise Reagan (although they do it to a nauseating extent, moreso than any Democrat with our heroes like FDR or JFK)

I disagree. Take a look around this country and you'll find way more people going crazy for JFK.

It's not the 80's anymore, things are different. I think it's this fanatical obsession with living out every Reagan policy over and over again, that gets on people's nerves. Certainly mine.[/quote]

It's not the 1960s anymore. Things are different.

Or maybe some people on both sides believe that their policies and outlook aren't just restricted to a decade.

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Again, I'm not debating whether or not he was a good President with a radical left winger. Saying, "No, he wasn't a good President" isn't going to suddenly change my mind or any other Republican's mind.

If people really want to "move past Reagan," the feeling and message has to come from a conservative Republican. Please don't be shocked when Republicans ignore the pleas to "move on" when they come from people like Walter and Marokai.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I agree with the silly love fest that many leftists still have for JFK, but the GOP invoked Reagan far too many times in their speeches, debates, etc during the past election.

"What would you do to fix ...."

"Well, I would do just as Reagan did..."

We can honor him, because he was a great President, but we don't have to mention him every ten words.

[Keystone Phil]

Oh, I agree that he is invoked so often in debates, speeches, etc. that it almost seems as if we're mocking him but I don't find a problem with having a hero for the party.

[Mechaman]

I disagree. Take a look around this country and you'll find way more people going crazy for JFK.

That's because JFK was the Super Moderate Hero, which makes it really lulzy how the Left orgasmasizes about him almost as much as they do FDR. JFK was so moderate that my hardcore Republican grandmother (her views would be called libertarian today) voted for him over Nixon. The only reason why he's known as the Super Leftist Savior is because of his agenda on Civil Rights.

[JSojourner]

In defense of Republicans who invoke Reagan, more than a few Democrats will invoke the name of the Gipper when it suits their purposes.  Including this one.

And he was both a good and a bad President. If anyone taught us how good Reagan was, it was George W. Bush. 

[Mechaman]

And he was both a good and a bad President. If anyone taught us how good Reagan was, it was George W. Bush.  

[Landslide Lyndon]

And he was both a good and a bad President. If anyone taught us how good Reagan was, it was George W. Bush.  

Hell, W. made Herbert Hoover look good by comparison.

[Mechaman]

And he was both a good and a bad President. If anyone taught us how good Reagan was, it was George W. Bush.  

Hell, W. made Herbert Hoover look good by comparison.

Well Hoover was a sexy beast

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I have no response to Mike Castle

[Vepres]

And no, he wasn't a good President.

A bad President couldn't win 49 states. Independents and Republicans both really think he was a good President. That's two-thirds of the country at least.

[Brittain33]

A bad President couldn't win 49 states.

Most Republicans rank LBJ as among the worst presidents of the last century, and he won a landslide.