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WalterMitty
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« on: June 16, 2009, 08:23:51 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2009, 11:05:22 AM »
No.  I imagine 75% or more of the country wishes Kerry had won in '04.  Democrats because it would have saved us from Bush's second term, and Republicans because it would have prevented Bush from destroying the party.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2009, 11:19:41 AM »
Personally, I am.

For Obama supporters, I'd say they all answer the same, since a Kerry 2004 victory would likely mean no President Obama now.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2009, 12:13:48 PM »
Quote from: G(oOba)M(a)3 on June 16, 2009, 11:19:41 AM
Personally, I am.

For Obama supporters, I'd say they all answer the same, since a Kerry 2004 victory would likely mean no President Obama now.
I'd rather have President Kerry any day.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2009, 12:17:54 PM »
Quote from: Harry on June 16, 2009, 11:05:22 AM
No.  I imagine 75% or more of the country wishes Kerry had won in '04.  Democrats because it would have saved us from Bush's second term, and Republicans because it would have prevented Bush from destroying the party.
Which is why I'm happy that Bush won that year. Grin
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2009, 12:19:49 PM »
No, here's why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpU0RxqZkqM
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2009, 12:35:03 PM »
Call me crazy but I don't really think Kerry's first (and probably only) term would be all that different from GWB's second . . .

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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 01:24:43 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 03:39:19 PM »
Kerry would have lost re-election
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2009, 03:41:22 PM »
No, still angry.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2009, 03:45:15 PM »
Interestingly the point at which history would have had to diverge to prevent the current depression was 1980 at the latest.  2004 was not relevant to much except who got blamed.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 04:33:33 PM »
I imagine that people who used to live in New Orleans wish Kerry had been president. 

Outside of that and a possible withdrawal from Iraq (which Obama has shown us probably wouldn't have happened as quickly as Kerry's campaign suggested), I agree with Ron that not much would have changed.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 04:35:11 PM »
Seeing as how I regard John Kerry as one of my personal heroes, militarily and politically, no.  I think he would have made a fine President.  Eight years of Kerry, followed by eight years of Obama would suit me just fine.
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 05:28:24 PM »
Quote from: Boris on June 16, 2009, 03:39:19 PM
Kerry would have lost re-election

How can you possibly know that?  The fact that he came so close to dethroning Karl Rove is very impressive.  With 4 good years under his belt, he ought to have been the favorite in 2008.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 05:56:37 PM »
Quote from: Magic 8-Ball on June 16, 2009, 04:33:33 PM
I imagine that people who used to live in New Orleans wish Kerry had been president. 

I actually don't think Katrina would have been handled much differently either.
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2009, 06:13:38 PM »
Quote from: Ron Mexico on June 16, 2009, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: Magic 8-Ball on June 16, 2009, 04:33:33 PM
I imagine that people who used to live in New Orleans wish Kerry had been president. 

I actually don't think Katrina would have been handled much differently either.

It's doubtful something like Katrina would have happened just because weather patterns are so easy to disrupt. Some other major hurricane might have though. In any case, there's no way Kerry could have been as massively incompetent across the board.
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2009, 06:27:11 PM »
Quote from: Harry on June 16, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
How can you possibly know that?  The fact that he came so close to dethroning Karl Rove is very impressive.  With 4 good years under his belt, he ought to have been the favorite in 2008.

That was more anti-Bush than pro-Kerry, though.  I agree that he would've been a better candidate in 2008 than he was in 2004, but he sucked in 2004.  He would've had a very tough time winning again in 2008.
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2009, 06:57:58 PM »
« Edited: June 16, 2009, 07:04:09 PM by reelectin2012 »
President Obama > Senator Kerry, so yeah. I also think Kerry would have been a 1-termer.
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2009, 09:16:10 PM »
Quote from: Harry on June 16, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
Quote from: Boris on June 16, 2009, 03:39:19 PM
Kerry would have lost re-election

How can you possibly know that?  The fact that he came so close to dethroning Karl Rove is very impressive.  With 4 good years under his belt, he ought to have been the favorite in 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_financial_crisis_of_2008%E2%80%932009
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2009, 09:29:47 PM »
Quote from: Harry on June 16, 2009, 11:05:22 AM
No.  I imagine 75% or more of the country wishes Kerry had won in '04.  Democrats because it would have saved us from Bush's second term, and Republicans because it would have prevented Bush from destroying the party.

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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2009, 01:38:17 PM »
i still fail to see (other than katrina) what was so bad about bush's second term.

the OMG BUSH IS SATAN routine got old around 2003
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2009, 02:04:54 PM »
Quote from: WalterMitty on June 17, 2009, 01:38:17 PM
i still fail to see (other than katrina) what was so bad about bush's second term.

the OMG BUSH IS SATAN routine got old around 2003

It wasn't so much that it was "so bad." Yes, there were bad points but it was just a total letdown. I can only think of two things I approved of during the second term (the Supreme Court appointments and the surge).

Anyway, yes, I'm glad Kerry isn't President and here's my political reasoning: Kerry's term would have probably been basically the same as Bush's. The GOP would have been hailed in 2006 and 2008 as the saviors. We'd be insanely built up and then turn out to be a total let down...which I think is a real possibility now with the Dems...
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2009, 08:08:36 PM »
Quote from: Boris on June 16, 2009, 03:39:19 PM
Kerry would have lost re-election
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2009, 01:21:37 AM »
Two Supreme Court appointments is enough reason for me to say we'd be better off today if Kerry had won, though obviously the GOP would probably still control Congress, so I guess Kerry would've had to appoint "moderates" anyway.....
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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2009, 04:20:18 PM »
Yes, because (a) he would have governed to Obama's right, and (b) the Democratic Party would have been destroyed anyway.
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